Qazi saab has issued the fatwa that the pak fouj that met their deaths in the wana operation are not shaheed and their namaz-e-janaza should not be read
i’m shocked, disgusted, infuriated by this comment
Allah swt knows best…even though i might not agree with the wana op but imho those pak fauj bravely gave their lives IN THE LINE OF DUTY and are shaheed
who gave anyone the right to decide who is shaheed and who is not? and how can someone say such a thing k dont read another person’s namaz-e-janaza…!!!
with all due respect to Qazi saab but that comment is highly extremely disturbing and a very very very low…
i’ve not been following siyasi bayanaat of our political leaders so don’t know what kind of statements have been issued in the past…i used to respect our religious leaders…but i’m shocked that he said this…i dint expect such a statement from one of the biggest religious leaders of the country
Re: Qazi Hussein Ahmad’s FATWA against the Pak Fouj that were Shaheed in Wana op
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Qazi saab has issued the fatwa that the pak fouj that met their deaths in the wana operation are not shaheed and their namaz-e-janaza should not be read
i’m shocked, disgusted, infuriated by this comment
Allah swt knows best…even though i might not agree with the wana op but imho those pak fauj bravely gave their lives IN THE LINE OF DUTY and are shaheed
who gave anyone the right to decide who is shaheed and who is not? and how can someone say such a thing k dont read another person’s namaz-e-janaza…!!!
with all due respect to Qazi saab but that comment is highly extremely disturbing and a very very very low…
i’ve not been following siyasi bayanaat of our political leaders so don’t know what kind of statements have been issued in the past…i used to respect our religious leaders…but i’m shocked that he said this…i dint expect such a statement from one of the biggest religious leaders of the country
tobbah astaghfaar
do u know anything about munafqeens in islam? well, i will tell you a little secret, their namaz-e-janaza is not allowed in islam, nor a muslim can go to their graves and pray for them. Now, you wanna know how someone become “munafq”. that i will let you find out by yourself. Here is a hint, read quran with translation and other islamic books
brother i dont have much knowledge but imho who gave us a right to decide who is a munafiq and who is not?
and besides, these soldiers, our country men and brothers, were BRAVE and GAVE THEIR LIVES…in the line of duty, irrespective of their personal feelings
to not honor them, to give them such a shocking insult after they are not even alive is extremely extremely extremely low. and what about their families who have lost them? how will they feel?
i dont have words to express my disgust at this behavior :yukh:
to say not to read someone’s namaz-e-janaza…brother you understand what a BIG thing that is? how much GUNAH it will get a person who says that about another Muslim?
Allah o Alim
i’m just disturbed, highly disturbed, by the comment…it literally makes my blood boil to think about it
that is why i said read the quran. they didn’t die for country they die for bushraaff and usa, even a blind person sees that. even thay die for pakistan, (rightnow pakistan is kaffar’s friend) they were killed by those who were fighting for islam and for those innocent muslims who were killed by kaffars.islam comes first rather then pakistan. And what about those who were killed by pakistani army, weren’t they muslims. they were killed just because they were agianst kaffars.
you wouldn’t know anything if you don’t read quran with translations
they did not die for Musharraf or USA. they died because they were soldiers doing their duty. and if a Muslim dies in the line of duty that is shahadat
how do you know what was in the hearts of these soldiers and whether they were good Muslims or not? how can you call them hypocrites? Allah only can decide that
No matter how a Muslim dies, they deserve a namaz-e-janaza
no one has the right to say that another Muslim does not deserve a namaz-e-janaza
BTW i’m throughly confused now about the motives of some of those mujahideen as well…
if you were watching the speech by Musharraf yesterday, he narrated two incidents
a house occupied by mujahideen was surrounded by pak army. the major incharge of the party said to them that you are our muslim brothers, we wont harm you, just let us do the formalities. they said thanks, please come in. the major went in. they locked the door from inside, killed him, and then killed all the army outside
what was that? is this honorable? is this what a mujahid is supposed to do?
they are supposed to be exemplary Muslims and do tableegh of Islam…and they did THIS? is this what our Prophet (SAW) would have done? i dont think so. indeed very sad and disappointing indeed
an army car full of arrested mujahideens was passing thru the roads, ppl were giving them food and water b/c they respected these mujahideens. these mujahideens, when the car stopped, sprayed the army with bullets and escaped. im not sure but i think some innocent civilians were killed too.
was that honorable?
in war in islam u r not even supposed to cut down a tree.
i’m totally confused…i dont know what to think
islam comes before pakistan…islam k lyay hum khud qurbaan aur hazar pakistan qurban… Allah dene wala hae…
completely…
but sometimes i think, what are we fighting for? what is our purpose? we are against america because they are with israel and israel is killing muslims? but why are we fighting so blindly? if we dont strengthen ourselves first are we going to achieve anything by fighting this jihad? we have come to a point where we are killing each other we are actually benefitting the enemies right now they dont even need to kill us because we are fighting among ourselves killing each other!!! why are we so stupid? we need to unite to achieve anything, we cant keep going on this self destructive path…
yes, a muslim does, munafq doesn’t(and for who is munafq, read quran). QURAN says that (read quran). And for busharraf speach, you believe busharraf, it is like believing bush about WMD. AND you said every muslim who die i line of duty(nomatter what his duty is) is shahadat, ARE YOU A MUSLIM? then what about those who were in yazeed’s army and were killed by hazraat hussian and his army. were their death shahdat too? I DON’T THINK SO.
Irem, this is the usual hateful nonsense from our ‘esteemed’ religious leaders, which does nothing but breed division and hatred amongst Pakistani’s and Muslims. Should these religious leaders not be doing the opposite?
As I stated in another thread, the MMA speaks with a forked tongue - they issue these shocking statements and blow fury publicly, when in reality they actually don’t oppose the Wana operation.
Re: Qazi Hussein Ahmad’s FATWA against the Pak Fouj that were Shaheed in Wana op
Madam,
I have read all your comments and am very pleased that there are some people that feel the same as me. Who is this Qazi to talk like this. May he burn in hell.. This is exactly why we dont develop and the world thinks our religion is a joke and hate us.
And please dont listen to a word of what that idiot is telling you he is just trying to flush your mind with dribbel… Pak Fauji’s who die for their country- “NOT FOR MUSHY, THE US OR ANY THIRD PARTY” will always be considered by the genreal public and the nation as a whole as Shahid and they will goto haven.
He dosnt realise how bad the familys of those poor soldiers will feel after this statement. In My eyes i hate this man and think he should be removed form his post for making such idiotic comments.
Who is this Qazi and what position does he hold in Pakistan? If he holds a religious post he should be dismissed immediately and damned publicly on Pakistani television.
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they did not die for Musharraf or USA. they died because they were soldiers doing their duty. and if a Muslim dies in the line of duty that is shahadat
how do you know what was in the hearts of these soldiers and whether they were good Muslims or not? how can you call them hypocrites? Allah only can decide that
No matter how a Muslim dies, they deserve a namaz-e-janaza
no one has the right to say that another Muslim does not deserve a namaz-e-janaza
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i agree 100%. Nonody has right to declare somebody a non-shaheed or shaheed. Only Allah knows whats inside the hearts. The Islamic point of view is that we should only say: Allah may have mercy on the deceased. We cannot even say that somebody is shaheed or not.
with people like this, who control masses, where do we expect pakistan to be going...? i mean seriously, these people are CRAZY! i feel like puking over his face. and these people are among top politicians of our nation...no wonder, illiterates lead illiterates. one man (musharraf) stands up against these absurdities and every one starts hating him...what can be done of a people who dont know their own right and wrong...seems hopeless to me.
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with people like this, who control masses, where do we expect pakistan to be going...? i mean seriously, these people are CRAZY! i feel like puking over his face. and these people are among top politicians of our nation...no wonder, illiterates lead illiterates. one man (musharraf) stands up against these absurdities and every one starts hating him...what can be done of a people who dont know their own right and wrong...seems hopeless to me.
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When people like Qazi make such statements it makes me support Musharraf even more. Only he can rescue our country from these hateful people, who through their outbursts and incitements purposefully divide Pakistani people amongst themselves.
The Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) has refused to approve the decree regarding the martyrdom of Pakistani troops killed in the Wana operation, saying, “The decree applies to only those who ordered the operation”. “Troops killed in the Wana operation were just following military orders and their Namaz-e-Janaza was according to Islam, while their martyrdom should be left to God,” JUI-F leader Hafiz Hussain Ahmad told Daily Times on Sunday. Mr Ahmad is also the MMA deputy secretary general. MMA sources told Daily Times that the government was pressing the JUI-F to criticise the decree and issue a new one. “The JUI-F leadership had asked many clerics to withdraw the decree, but they refused,” sources said, adding that police had registered cases against the ulema, who had issued the decree. Two MMA components Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) and JUI-Sami had approved the decree issued by the 500 Deobandi clerics at a rally in Rawalpindi. “The tribesmen and the mujahideen are martyrs, while Pakistani troops are not because they are operating on US commands,” JI Ameer Qazi Hussain Ahmad told a convention in Lahore on March 23. The JI convention also passed the resolution to approve the decree. JUI-S leader Maulana Sami-ul-Haq also approved the decree. Sources said that the JI had shown concern at the JUI-F’s stance, but party head Maulana Fazlur Rehman said that it would not be in MMA’s favour to oppose the army because thousands of their families in the North West Frontier Province and Balochistan, were related to the army and had supported the MMA in election. Sources said that Maulana Rehman had asked his partymen to criticise President Musharraf only during the rallies and not to oppose the army as an institution sources.
A deabandi maulvi's.... aren't they the ones that labbeled quade-azam a kafir...or weren;t they they one in india that in 65 war reffered to pakistani soldiers shaheeds as "dogs that will go to hell".... they seem to have kept up there tradition. I think the operation shouldnt have happened in wana but rather in rawalpinidi..lets finish the hidden traitors once in for all.
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A deabandi maulvi's.... aren't they the ones that labbeled quade-azam a kafir...or weren;t they they one in india that in 65 war reffered to pakistani soldiers shaheeds as "dogs that will go to hell".... they seem to have kept up there tradition.
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Yes, the biggest traitors of them all are these political maulvi's who seek to divide Pakistani's and Muslims amongst themselves with their hateful and inciteful statements.
Not to forget, these molvies come from the same class who send their sons and daughters to study abroad esp. Amreeka, while they preach hatred towards Amreeka and brainwash the youth in Pak to fight their jihad for them.
Allah dene wala hae…