HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (PBUH)IS THE LAST PROPHET OF ALLAH.GHULAM MIRZA WAS A LIAR AND THE FOLLOWERS OF HIM ARE .QADYANIS ARE NOT MUSLIMS.MUSLIM ARE THOSE WHICH BELIEVES ON ALLAH AND BELIEVES THAT HAZRAT MUHAMMAD(PBUH)IS THE LAST PROPHET OF ALLAH.
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Here is some info on Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib, i have highlighted the references and everything, letting you know where this info came from.
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**Mirza Ghulam enjoyed having unrelated women serve him in seclusion, during the night hours. Although many of his own followers objected to this practice, this habit went on up to his dying days. We provide here a few references!!!
“My late wife… went to hazrat Promised Messiah at the age of fifteen in Dar-ul-Aman (Mirza’s room)… The Sire very much liked her service of massage his legs.”**
(Al-Fadl, March 20, 1928, P. 6-7; by Ghulam Muhammad Qadiani)
"Question No. 6: (from Muhammad Hussain Saheb Qadiani)
Why does the pious Hazrat (Mirza) get his legs and arms massaged by unrelated stranger women???
Answer: (from Hakim Fazal Din Qadiani) He is an innocent prophet and caress with him is not prohibited; it is rather a source of suspiciousness and blessing’."
(Al-Hakm, April 17, 1907, P. 13)
Unknowingly, his own son rejected this practice of Mirza Ghulam as being contrary to the Shariat of Islam and not befitting a claimant to sainthood!!!
“This humble self submits that the Holy Prophet(SAW), as per Hadith, did not touch the womenfolk at the time of Baiat. The Holy Quran states that a woman should not display her embellishments to a stranger or unrelated person. This prohibition includes touching by hand, because womanly embellishment can be known by coming into contact with the body.”
(Seerat-ul-Mahdi, Vol. 3, P. 15; by Mirza Bashir Ahmad)
Adultery by the Prophet/Saint was Acceptable!!!
The following passage, read by the second Caliph of Qadianism (Ahmadiyyah), exemplifies the true legacy of Mirza Ghulam!!!
"In his Friday sermon, Mirza Mahmood read out a letter from a Lahori Mirzai. Its contents were as follows!!!>>>
'Hazrat Promised Messiah (Mirza) was a saint, Allah’s friend; and saints do commit adultery occasionally. Therefore, if he (Mirza) committed adultery now and then, what is the harm in that?
We have no objection against hazrat Promised Messiah (Mirza) because he committed adultery only at times. We have objection against the present Khalifa (Mirza Mahmood Ahmad) because he indulges in adulterous intercourse all the time.’
After reading the letter, Mirza Mahmood (the Khalifa in question) made the following statement!!!>>>
'From this objection, it appears that this person is of Paighami (Lahori) creed because our belief regarding the Promised Messiah is that he was Allah’s Prophet, but the Paighamis don’t believe in this. They consider him only to be a saint."
(Al-Fadl, August 31, 1938, P. 6; Friday Sermon by Mian Mahmud Ahmad;
As reported in Qadiyaniat-An Analytical Survey)
Admin…CHILLLLLLLL…be KOOOOOOOOL!
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Mirza and His Family Servants of the Imperialism
Mirza Ghulam proudly wrote!!!
“My father was a well-known landlord in this country and he enjoyed great eminence in the Government’s offices. He was a true devotee and well wisher of the British Government. In the mutiny of 1857 (the Muslim independence movement against colonialism is called ‘mutiny’ by Mirza), my father supplied fifty horses and riders to aid the British Government. For this favor to the Government, he was very popular among the officials.”
(Izala-e-Auham, P. 58, footnote)
“The benevolent Government is aware of the fact that we are from among their servants, their sympathizers and well wishers. We have come to their aid with a firm mind in every hour of need. My father was held in close and high esteem by the Government; and our services to this Government held clear distinction. I do not think that the Government has forgotten these services of ours. My father, Mirza Ghulam Murtaza, son of Mirza Ata Muhammad Al-Qadian, was a great well wisher and friend of this government and enjoyed great respect from among them. Our loyalty has been proven beyond doubt. Rather our fidelity was proven among the people and became clear to the government officials. The Government may confirm this from the officers who came to this side and lived among us; so that they may tell what sort of life we lived, and how faithful we have been in serving their Government.”
(Noor-ul-Haq, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 8, P. 36-37; Noor-ul-Haq, Vol. 1, P. 27-28)
“I come from a family which is out and out loyal to this government. My father, Mir Ghulam Murtaza, who was considered its well-wisher, used to be granted a chair in the Governor’s Darbar (cabinet) and has been mentioned by Mr. Griffin in his ‘History of the Princes of Punjab’. In 1857, he helped the British government beyond his means, that is he procured fifty (50) cavaliers and horses right during the time of the mutiny. He was considered by the government to be its loyal supporter and well-wisher. A number of testimonials of appreciation received by him from the officers have unfortunately been lost. Copies of three of them, however, which had been published a long time ago, are reproduced in the margin (in English). Then, after the death of my grandfather, my elder brother Mirza Ghulam Qadir remained occupied with service to the government and when the evil-doers encountered the forces of the British government on the highway of Tanmmun, he participated in the battle on the side of the British Government (under General Nicholson he killed several freedom fighters). At the time of the death of my father and brother, I was sitting in the sidelines; but, since then, I have been helping the British for seventeen years with my pen.”
(Kitab-ul-Barriah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 13, P. 4, 5, 6, 7;
Shahadat-ul-Quran, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 6, P. 385-387;
Ishtihar Wajib al-Izhar, Sept. 20, 1897, P. 3-7; appended with Kitab-ul-Barriah)
“I am scion of a family which the English Government acknowledges to be faithful to it. British officers have also admitted that my father and my people are amongst those who served the Government in all sincerity and with heart and soul. I can not find the words to express my homage and gratitude to the beneficent Government on account of the peace and composure which we have found as subjects of the Government. For this reason, we - myself, my father and my brother - have girded up our loins that we will exhibit the favors and advantages of this Government, make obedience to it incumbent on the people and embed it in their hearts.”
(Tabligh-e-Risalat, Vol. 7, P. 8-9)
It is unfortunate to see how Mirza Ghulam proudly boasted about his father and brother having fought on the side of the British and against the Muslims. Nevertheless, in these very brief passages, Mirza expresses his immense gratefulness for all the benefits his family has enjoyed under British rule and indicates to have no goal but to somehow convince Muslims to become obedient and subservient to the British Imperialism!!!
*No wonder they give Ahmadies “no question asked” Visa to Canada, UK, USA, because…
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He was apparently ignorant of the following verses of the Holy Quran!!! He had a elementary Islamic knowledge, what can one expect!
O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom.
(The Holy Quran, Al-e-Im,ran, 3:118)
O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).
(The Holy Quran, Al-Maeda, 5:57)
Admin i hope you are not angry my friend. These are real-hardcore-facts nothing is made up or created, this stuff is right out of Mirza Ghulam Ahmads books.
Before you delete or bane me please try to be fair and logical.
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LoveMinus (-)
Only idiots pay any heed to wahabi-funded websites & propaganda!
Now, could you ask your wahabi masters about their anti Islam and anti prophet(pbuh)activities listed below.
**Note - the wahabiyya creed was founded 200 years ago.
1) the wahabis state: all muslims are idolators & polytheists. The wahabis proceeded to destroy the tombs of the prophet's relatives and, even came close to destroying the huge dome of the Prophet's mosque.
2) The wahabis state: all 4 sunni madhabs are bidat and should be destroyed. They put out a fatwa against celebrating mawlid of the Prophet(saw) and showing of any revernece to the prophet calling it bidat!
3) The wahabis state: the 4 sunni imams are greatest enemies of Islam. They ridicule the great sunni scholars and call the hanafi muslim 'dogs' and ‘dumbbas’.
4) Their claim that Ahl as sunnah muslims can be killed for their beliefs. Upon their conquest of Medina & Mecca -they went on a rampage and killed hundreds of thousands of Ahl as Sunnah muslims.
5) The wahabis call our prophet an ordinary man like the wahabis on this GupShup: jawaan, mundyaa, abdul wahab. And, consider it polytheism to offer Salawat for the Prophet!
6) The wahabis colluded with the British in destroying the rule of the Ottaman Caliphate in Saudia & Syria. In 1999 the Saudia held a two week long festval marking the century of the founding of their Wahabiyya kingdom created upon the ashes of the Ottaman Caliphate. I guess - this celebration/mawlid was not bidat!
Folks - Why are we letting these marauders get away with all this Fitna: this major innovation, these sacrileges, destructions, splitting the ummah, funding extremist websites, propagandas, militias, etc.
NOTE: One Little BOY of this GupShup even claimed that he:
"doesn't get paid for dividing the Ummah".
What is it folks? The saudia handouts of riyals & dollars, the Pakistani inferiority complex when it comes to arabs! What is it? If the Prophet of islam is an ordinary man to you all then, why this veneration and ass-kissing of the wahabis?
BTW - spare the crap about the wahabis being true muslims, unitarians, believer in quran & sunnah! Save this song & dance for your own. It is not even funny anymore!
This is good stuff Loveless, now tell me, what exactly do you find objectionable in any of the stuff that you have quoted him as saying?
Be specific and don’t rely on a lot of cut and paste. Use your own words. Have you really studied (or even seen) any of the books he has written? Or your only source is the F-Da-Mulla site? Additionally, could you tell us how many other “Muslims” of the Indian sub-continent fought alongside the British. If you care, I can give you some references.
I will ask you more religion related questions later. I would wait for your response to these two simple questions: (1) have you ever seen any of the books from where you are quoting? (2) How many “Muslims” fought alongside the British.
For a guy who can’t even spell “Ban”, I can expect some really insightful answers.
NYA that stuff is there to prove that Mirza was, is not, and will not be a PROPHET, messiah, or Imam Mehndi. You know, i know it, everyone else knows it that he is NOT a true prophet. You are just following him blindly and to get money from british by creating this mess in Islam.
Where ever i got this information from, those people did their work for WHOLE muslim ummah not for them selves. Its for everyone to use and prove the ahmadiyat wrong. Thats all I am doing.
You can question anything about my religion(islam) better be from quran or hadith. NO made up stuff.
Ever read your Mirza's books?
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Jaan-e-mun Jaan-e-Tamanaa
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Loveless,
Only the Caliph or Imam, those ordained as the Religious Authority as per Quran, are empowered to make decisions on one's belief as a follower of Islam.
Not you, not your ulema, and more importantly, not the heretic wahabis who along with their compadre - Deobandis, were instrumental in taking the matter into their own hands vis-a-vis the Ahmedia community.
Tell me what do these people, who work for the whole Ummah that you refer to, think about the Wahabis?
What are the opinions of these so called people who work for the Ummah to the questions & comments outlined above?
Mirza Sahib said that Mohammad(pbuh) had 3000 + miracles, but he will have over 3 million miracles, but he had none.
Than he claimed to have prophecies! Which never came true! Here are some better known prophecies of the person who called himself a Prophet, Mehdi, and the Promised Messiah. According to Mirza Ghulam himself, even if only one prophecy has not come to pass, we should view him a liar and an impostor. Let’s count his most famous prophecies which did not come to pass==>Read all of the post.
Prophecies and Mubahala Concerning Mr. Abdullah Khan Atham
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was badly humiliated by Mr. A.K. Atham, a Christian, in a debate. Mirza Ghulam’s repeated prophecies regarding a miserable death for Mr. Atham did not come to pass.
Prophecy concerning Multiple Marriages and many Children
“Indeed God has given me the good news that I shall have numerous children from blessed women, whom I shall marry after this revelation.”
(Tabligh-i-Risalat, Vol. 5, P. 58)
“In February 1886, I made a declaration after receiving revelation from God that He gave me good news of marriages after this declaration and soon I shall marry women of good omen and virtue and to me will be born children from them.”
(Tabligh-i-Risalat, Vol. 1, P. 89)
Mirza Ghulam made this statement when he was 46 years old. The fact is that he did not marry anyone after this prophecy.
Prophecies Regarding Marriage to Mohammadi Begum
Mirza Ghulam’s repeated assertions that his marriage to Mohammadi Begum was ordained by God never came to pass. Additionally, none of the individuals he had threatened with death from God died as he had predicted.
Prophecies Regarding the birth of Sons to his wife
Mirza Ghulam made multiple prophecies regarding birth of sons to his wife. They all failed.
Prophecy about Marriage to a Virgin and a Widow
Mirza Ghulam has written:
“It is God’s intention that He will bring two ladies in my wedlock. One will be virgin and the other widow. Therefore, this inspiration that is related to Bikr (virgin), it has been fulfilled and, presently by the grace of God, I have four sons from this wife. I am still waiting for the fulfillment of the inspiration regarding widow.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 15, P. 201)
Mirza Ghulam never married a widow.
Prophecies Regarding “A Spark of Light of Allah”
Mirza Ghulam’s claim that a new born boy would grow up to become the savior of the humanity failed, when the young boy died of an illness.
Prophecies Concerning the Plague and Qadian
Mirza Ghulam feared Cholera very much and declared it to be one of his signs. He predicted that the plague that became rampant in Punjab will not enter Qadian, the dwelling place of God’s prophet (himself)! However, not only did the plague spread to Qadian, it also took the life of several people in Mirza Ghulam’s own house.
Prophecies Concerning Birth of a Son to a Follower
Mirza Ghulam’s prophecies concerning the birth of a son to one of his followers, Manzoor Muhammad, did not materialize.
Prophecies and Mubahala Concerning Dr. Abdul Hakim
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani engaged in a discussion with a Muslim Doctor by the name of Abdul Hakim. During this discussion, the Doctor called Mirza a Liar and challenged him to a debate. Instead of accepting the debate, Mirza Ghulam prophecised a miserable death for Dr. Hakim. These predictions also failed and proved to be the inventions of a lost soul and a pretender.
Prophecy Concerning Long Life
Mirza Ghulam declared to have received wahi (revelation) concerning his lifespan:
“Enemies wish for my death and prophecise about it. God has, however, given me the good news that I shall live for eighty (80) years or more.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 239; Mawahib-ur-Rahman, P. 21)
Mirza Ghulam Qadiani died when he was sixty eight (68) years old.
Prophecy Concerning his Death in a Holy City
Mirza Ghulam had stated:
“I will die either in Mekkah or Medina.”
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 2, P. 105; Tadhkira, P. 591)
Mirza Ghulam did not ever see Mekkah or Medina. He died in the city of Lahor, Pakistan; his body was moved and burried in Qadian.
Dozens and dozens of prophecies like those that Mirza Ghulam had falsely attributed to Allah(SWT).
Allah said this to people who falsely attribute things to him:
Who doth more wrong than those who invent a lie against Allah? They will be turned back to the presence of their Lord, and the witnesses will say, "These are the ones who lied against their Lord! Behold! the Curse of Allah is on those who do wrong!- Those who would hinder (men) from the path of Allah and would seek in it something crooked: these were they who denied the Hereafter!
(The Holy Quran, Hud, 11:18-19)
Even according to the standards set by the pretender Mirza, we should have no doubt that he was an impostor and a false claimant to prophethood. Allah(SWT), time and time again, has proved Mirza Ghulam’s falsehood to those who seek guidance.
Evil as an example are people who reject Our signs and wrong their own souls. (The Holy Quran, Al-Araf, 7:177)
NYA tell me what makes Mirza Ghulam Ahmad a Prophet, Messiah and Mehdi?
It is sad to see people following something, that is abviously not real and not true.
FaceUp keep kissing wahabi ass, maybe you will get some reward from your ancestors someday.
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Get over it already idiot.
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So, instead of answering my questions, the Loveless copies & posts more from sites funded by the wahabi monies; correct?
What happened to the dicussion that you flaunted earlier in the post?
That was just a ploy to enable you to post "garbage" from your wahabi-funded websites. Correct?
In which case you are violating the GupShup STRICT policy and should be made history along with your crap!
** Dear Admin, do you see now who is causing trouble? Me and NYA are having quite a peacefull debate, but this cockroach is coming here with B.S that is NOT related to the topic of the post.**
I hope you take some action against this “pain in the butt” hindu the “faceup” and do something about him or her.
Faceup if you wana rave and babble about wahabism go open up your own post and do it there. Do not post information that does not reflect the subject. Thank you.
I hope you understand that.
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Admin, lets see what you do about this hindu faceup. Be logical.
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Jaan-e-mun Jaan-e-Tamanaa
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LoveMinus(-)
So, you think you 're having a peaceful debate with NYA?
Have you answered NYA questions?
You wouldn't know 'debate' if it came and bit you in your rear! All you're doing is copy & pasting from some schmuck's website who had nothing better to do with his time!Have you even read your posts?
The ahmedias are wise to let a mad dog like you and others (quite a few on this board) bark. Next, you ‘ll be advising that what you do is dawah! Get real, man!
Since, I am a 'raving lunatic' I am willing to take you and your gang on. To get started pls answer the following:
1) Pls name this website - the source of your copy & paste?
2) Pls name the people that you refer “that have served all the Ummah”? I am curious to know how these people may have served me?
3) If I recall - the ulemas who reviewd the Ahmedia matter couldn't even agree on: what defines a muslim?
4) The matter of wahabis & deobandis are central to this debate. IMO - they played a leadership role in the Ahmedia matter. Considering the fact that the wahabis were heretic then,as they are now; based on what rationale were they assuming a leadership role in deciding who’s a muslim and who’s not? Imagine, a creed deemed a fitna and heresy by Ahl as sunnah wal jammat were critical in this ahmedia matter!
5)Could the same fate be passed for the wahabis? Based on the points made about the wahabis outlined above the ahmedias were pussycats compared to the wahabis. So, let’s get them[wahabis] out of the fold of Islam! Can this be done? Unlike the ahmedias, the wahabis own most of the ulemas in Pak & Afghanistan; they probably have quite a few judges, politicians & bureaucrats in their pockets. And, one of their dumbB was bragging that he doesn’t “get paid” for dividing the ummah. Draw your own picture!
Finally, I consider these matter germaine to this debate and would appreciate your response. Pls answer and let’s rock!
I rarely take a stand here cuz of my time restrictions, but I must say what I strongly believe in. And i will state in few words.
Mohammand (pbuh) is the last prophet of Allah. Quran is the most complete word of Allah. Anyone who does not believe in these without any doubt, is not a muslim according to my religious training.
May Allah show us all the right path.
Azkar
Thank you Azkar. Please take care of this faceup thingy.
NYA I have seen most of those books, and have read only one of them.
The other question of your was kinda off the subject but here is my answer…
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I dont have any historical references with me to answer the question that you asked about “muslims” fighting alongside of british. But I think the desprate and muslims in need of money had to do some work for british government. What ever that work maybe, they might have did it.
But a lots of Ahmadies did work for british government and well this Ahmadie cult was created and financed by british government.
British army had alots of hindus and Ahmadies but i doubt that there were any muslims, just the ones in need for money or jobs.
The only reason Mirza Sahib was selected for the task to declare him self a prophet was to dismiss the call of jihad in the air by many muslims. They wanted to creat a mess, so, the muslims will have something else and far damaging to worry about in the stability of Islam and finallity of prophethood than british government and Jihad against them.
I hope you got the answer you were looking for, i ll give you some time to read the posts above.
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LaterZZZ
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Azhar bhai,
Final prophet & Final Revelation are central to Islam; belief to this tenet is mandatory for all muslims.
However, this doesn't mean that ahmedias are to be forever hounded & harassed by the likes of Loveless, Jawaan, salafi, and his entourage.
The sooner these maggots get this thru their head the better!
Regards!
Loveless,
Here's the level of your ignoranace:
Re: knowledge of Ahmedias, you say:
"NYA I have seen most of those books, and have read only one of them."
Pal - I really doubt that you have read any!
2) To what you cannot answer comes this response:
"The other question of your was kinda off the subject "
Why is muslim collusion with the British of the subject? Are you sure your relatives were not employed by the British?
Here's who colluded big time with the British. I suggest you read or watch the movie: Lawrence of Arabia:
The wahabis colluded with the British in destroying the rule of the Ottaman Caliphate in Saudia & Syria.
I suggest you pick up my challenge and debate directly with me! Start by answering the list of questions, Pal!
Faceup..no one is harrassing the ahmadies. You are harrassing the good name of islam by putting BS about wahabies.
Those facts and those posts i posted are from the books of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and NOT a made up stuff like you have.
If you dont have anything to contribute(agree or disagree) to the post, please you dont have to post.
No one can deny the stuff that Mirza Sahib wrote in his own books.
You seem to care too much about Ahmadies!(maybe you are one or you are hindu supporting the idea of divide and mess in Islam)
Answer my questions first. You claim to be right huh? answer those first...
The questions are in the new post for you....this is getting to far long...!
~~~mOrE LoVe iS NeVeR eNoUgH~~~
Jaan-e-mun Jaan-e-Tamanaa
Edharr aah teriyaaN LaatTaanN PunNaa-n
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Loveless,
So, you think what I posted about wahabis is "all made up"? And, only you speak the truth! Isn't this the like of you all!
You reject wahabi collusion with the British to destroy Ottaman Caliphate? and, you reject all the poinst that I outlined about both the wahabis & ahmedias!
Loveless: Tell me, are you a wahabi?
Your quote:
"You are harrassing the good name of islam by putting BS about wahabies."
I do not have to do anything re: wahabis; they have done a splendid job making asses of themselves on their own! I merely report on their FITNA and their Heresy!
Faceup dear this post is about QADYANISM did you read the subject my friend? I am muslim, the follow of quran and sunnah of mohammd; do you have any problem with that?
Please take your wahabi thing and what ever you have against out of this post and make a new post and babble all you want about it. Get over it already man. What are you trying to prove here? What are you trying to cause here? What good thing are you gonna do to Islam by dividing it? Take the BS about wahabies and braivilyats and all the sects in islam and make your own post about it.
I am a muslim and i follow quran and sunnah of prophet and all muslims should, and i have seen "wahabies" as you call them, do the same they follow the quran and sunnah, not self-created things in Islam.
If you have any problem with people who follow quran and sunnah than, make a "baatii out of that problem and stick it. Laterzzz
i hope you get the message, and do something about your...problem...get help!
~~~mOrE LoVe iS NeVeR eNoUgH~~~
Jaan-e-mun Jaan-e-Tamanaa
Edharr aah teriyaaN LaatTaanN PunNaa-n
So, you are a wahabi! Why can't you people give a direct answer; it'a always this long song & dance about only following quran & sunnah!
The sunnis are reqd to follow 1 of the 4 sunni taqleeds unlike the wahabis who follow the teachings of abdul wahab.
Tell me, is abdul wahab a secret prophet of the wahabis?
Now, is it any wonder that you reject the following as lies:
1) the wahabis state: all muslims are idolators & polytheists. The wahabis proceeded to destroy the tombs of the prophet's relatives and, even came close to destroying the huge dome of the Prophet's mosque.
2) The wahabis state: all 4 sunni madhabs are bidat and should be destroyed. They put out a fatwa against celebrating mawlid of the Prophet(saw) and showing of any revernece to the prophet calling it bidat!
3) The wahabis state: the 4 sunni imams are greatest enemies of Islam. They ridicule the great sunni scholars and call the hanafi muslim 'dogs' and ‘dumbbas’.
4) Their claim that Ahl as sunnah muslims can be killed for their beliefs. Upon their conquest of Medina & Mecca -they went on a rampage and killed hundreds of thousands of Ahl as Sunnah muslims.
5) The wahabis call our prophet an ordinary man like the wahabis on this GupShup: jawaan, mundyaa, abdul wahab. And, consider it polytheism to offer Salawat for the Prophet!
6) The wahabis colluded with the British in destroying the rule of the Ottaman Caliphate in Saudia & Syria. In 1999 the Saudia held a two week long festval marking the century of the founding of their Wahabiyya kingdom created upon the ashes of the Ottaman Caliphate. I guess - this celebration/mawlid was not bidat!
May I ask: How much are they[wahabi] paying you to spread their fitna?
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