QADYANISM

Did i say any where in my post that i am wahabi???????????????????????????????????????????? CAN YOU READ??

I said i am muslim and i follow the QURAN and SUNNAH of mohammad!! you consider those who follow quran and sunnah wahabi well be it, thats you and i can't and i dont wana waste my time on changing your lost mind.

If you believe that people who follow quran and hadith are not muslims, well i dont care..i follow quran and sunnah and i will keep following it.

The subject is Qadianism not some of your personal problems. GET OVER IT SOON!

So if you dont follow quran or sunnah, or to you people who follow quran and sunnah are wahabies...what do you think a TRUE muslim follow?????????? Deeds and rituals of his ancestors and hidus??????????????????

I posted another post,about ahmadies.. and do try to answer those if you dare!!!


~~~mOrE LoVe iS NeVeR eNoUgH~~~
Jaan-e-mun Jaan-e-Tamanaa
Edharr aah teriyaaN LaatTaanN PunNaa-n

[This message has been edited by Dr LoveLess (edited September 08, 2000).]

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Originally posted by faceup:
**Loveless,

So, you think what I posted about wahabis is "all made up"? And, only you speak the truth! Isn't this the like of you all!

You reject wahabi collusion with the British to destroy Ottaman Caliphate? and, you reject all the poinst that I outlined about both the wahabis & ahmedias!

Loveless: Tell me, are you a wahabi?

Your quote:
"You are harrassing the good name of islam by putting BS about wahabies."

I do not have to do anything re: wahabis; they have done a splendid job making asses of themselves on their own! I merely report on their FITNA and their Heresy! **
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MAN stop your idiotic crap and stick to the subject, and take of that stupied bag off your head!!!!! I wonder why you have that on.... maybe cuz your under the WORLD TOP 10 ASSES list......you dont report you cheerlead!!!!!!!


You know most of me, but not all of me
Things that I have done are not suppose to be
I'm a sinner of my sins
A prisoner of my prisons
I love God, but I dont think God loves me
For that i want to know
If I die will you cry for me

Loveless,

Pls tell us which 1 of the 4 sunni taqleed do you follow?

Remember, you are required to follow 1 of the 4 sunni taqleed of Shaefei, maliki, hanafi, hanbali.

Taqleeds are an 'Organized" way to worship Allah. If all ahl as sunnah abandoned their taqleeds then, they become their 'own masters'; imagine 1 billion muslims all following Islam according to their own whim.

Alternatively, you can destroy the 4 sunni taqleeds by abandoning them and join the wahabiyya way; and, this is precisely what the wahabis want the 'dumb' muslims to do.

The wahabis in order to conceal their beliefs in the teachings of the wahabi prophet abdul wahab, will give this song & dance about how they follow only quran & sunnah!

WAKE UP MUSLIMS!
All the points I outlined above about these 'dumbbas' wahabis are historical facts!

Why can't the wahabis answer these questions ? Instead, they try to impress the muslims by targetting the beliefs of others.

The Ahmedia issue is a closed one. Why can't the wahabis leave the ahmedias alone? Because by keeping the dumb muslims focused on the ahmedias helps them stay focused on their shaitanny & fitna against the Ummah. What are these shaitanny?

Read the points that have been outlined above!

To OLDbrat,

Of course this thread is about ahmedias! That is why I asked the following pertaining to the thread and, like always, you dumbB wahabis couldn't answer even one of them:

1) Pls name this website - the source of your copy & paste?

2) Pls name the people that you refer “that have served all the Ummah”? I am curious to know how these people may have served me?

3) If I recall - the ulemas who reviewd the Ahmedia matter couldn't even agree on: what defines a muslim?

4) The matter of wahabis & deobandis are central to this debate. IMO - they played a leadership role in the Ahmedia matter. Considering the fact that the wahabis were heretic then,as they are now; based on what rationale were they assuming a leadership role in deciding who’s a muslim and who’s not? Imagine, a creed deemed a fitna and heresy by Ahl as sunnah wal jammat were critical in this ahmedia matter!
5)Could the same fate be passed for the wahabis? Based on the points made about the wahabis outlined above the ahmedias were pussycats compared to the wahabis.
So, let’s get them[wahabis] out of the fold of Islam! Can this be done? Unlike the ahmedias, the wahabis own most of the ulemas in Pak & Afghanistan; they probably have quite a few judges, politicians & bureaucrats in their pockets. And, one of their dumbB was bragging that he doesn’t “get paid” for dividing the ummah. Draw your own picture!

NOTE: This dumbB "littleBoy" after making the slip about "receiving money" no longer writes under this nick. He went back to his very FIRST nick 'plus' a lot more, like, e.g. shakir 75 - the '75' represents his age; this guy is one demented fella.

[This message has been edited by faceup (edited September 09, 2000).]

Admin where the hell are you now?

Do you see what faceup is doing here? Messing up the post and the subject of the post! Now where are you?

Faceup this is post about qadianism, not wahabis. Please make another post or something like and keep barking about people who follow quran and sunnah not being muslims.
I dont know what you get out of it, i think that is all you are here to do; creat fights and division by assuming and creating new thigns in islam and naming it a real islamic thing.

Tell me something: What do you think of people who follow quran and hadith(sunah of mohammad(pbuh)???

I didnt say i am wahabi, i know wahabis follow Imam malik, and they also recognize the other imams are great schalors of Islam.

Wahabis have long time problem with people who creat new things in islam, i guess thats why you dont like them. huh?

Admin i hope you can be fair, as i know you can be real judgemental about somethings when it comes to being fair. I hope you take the appropriate action and do something about this “faceup” the reason and trouble maker and divider of islam. He is openly giving us wrong information on islam, and you are sitting there doing nothing. If it was someone else(like jaawan) he would have been baned. WAKE UP!!! This “faceup” is hindu and is trying to ruin the peace on this forum.

Faceup, what ever is your problem with any of Muslims or sects in islam. I think you consider wahabis(followers of Quran and Sunnah of mohammad(pbuh)) Kafir right? I suggest that you write a write a word kafir with your name and make a “baati” out of it and shove it somewhere tight of yours. And yell out, scream hard as you can that wahabi are kafir…lol

So if one who follow quran and sunnah is a kafir, what do you soppose we should follow other than quran and sunnah???

I am still waiting for you bold answers on the other post i posted about Ahamdies. Lets see how much ass kissing have you done for ahmadies.

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Admin WAKE UP!!! Yes NOW I AM pissed on the job that you are NOT doing so well. Take kare of this faceup he is messing up the forum.


~mOrE LoVe iS NeVeR eNoUgH~
Jaan-e-mun Jaan-e-Tamanaa
Edharr aah teriyaaN LaatTaanN PunNaa-n

Cant you guys act like grown ups? Stop crying.

This thread will be closed soon. Make your final arguments.

-Admin

Dr. LoveLess & HateMore,

The points & questions raised in my post of Sept 9 time 7:35 am are related to the thread. Pls read again.

The debate as I can see is between wahabis and myself; so, can you restrain yourself - please! The ahmedias are wise & correct to let mad dogs bark!

Do you want to know the extent of your lunacy ? You say that the wahabis hate new things in Islam! Guess what?

The wahabis ARE the new things in Islam. It is the biggest inovation or bida't in Islamic history!

Considering the above and the fact that you guys do not follow 1 of the 4 sunni taqleeds as required but instead follow the teachings of a abdul wahab then based on what grounds do you consider to be the spokes-person for Islam?

Based on what grounds: religious & moral do you slander other sects of Islam?

All your wahabi web-sites, publications and groups have one aim and this is to slander the faith of other sects! Be warned - many are beginning to WAKE UP and notice this!

Well admin this guy is creating problems here.

Faceup. I follow quran and hadith(sunnah of Mohammad(pbuh).
Do you think following quran and sunnah is wrong?
If yes, that who ever follows quran and sunnah is kafir; than what should muslims follow???

Again I follow quran and sunnah, and who ever follow the word of Allah and the word of Mohammad is the TRUE muslim.

You keep barking about people who follow quran and sunnah are kafir…bye

Admin you can close this thread, the NYA is gone with the wind, i guess he cant prove his Prophet right.

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Bye.


~mOrE LoVe iS NeVeR eNoUgH~
Jaan-e-mun Jaan-e-Tamanaa
Edharr aah teriyaaN LaatTaanN PunNaa-n

a very bad RELIGION
this kinde of muslims are penchod, muther****er, basterds, kanjer and thy know nothing about eneythink, thy just cALLED
like LAKIR DE FAKIR or THE MULLAHS

MULLAHS = Muther****er

[ALL MULLAHS ARE LOVELESS AND BRAINLESS]

**Mirza and His Family Servants of the Imperialism
Mirza Ghulam proudly wrote!!!

“My father was a well-known landlord in this country and he enjoyed great eminence in the Government’s offices. He was a true devotee and well wisher of the British Government. In the mutiny of 1857 (the Muslim independence movement against colonialism is called ‘mutiny’ by Mirza), my father supplied fifty horses and riders to aid the British Government. For this favor to the Government, he was very popular among the officials.”

(Izala-e-Auham, P. 58, footnote)

“The benevolent Government is aware of the fact that we are from among their servants, their sympathizers and well wishers. We have come to their aid with a firm mind in every hour of need. My father was held in close and high esteem by the Government; and our services to this Government held clear distinction. I do not think that the Government has forgotten these services of ours. My father, Mirza Ghulam Murtaza, son of Mirza Ata Muhammad Al-Qadian, was a great well wisher and friend of this government and enjoyed great respect from among them. Our loyalty has been proven beyond doubt. Rather our fidelity was proven among the people and became clear to the government officials. The Government may confirm this from the officers who came to this side and lived among us; so that they may tell what sort of life we lived, and how faithful we have been in serving their Government.”

(Noor-ul-Haq, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 8, P. 36-37; Noor-ul-Haq, Vol. 1, P. 27-28)

“I come from a family which is out and out loyal to this government. My father, Mir Ghulam Murtaza, who was considered its well-wisher, used to be granted a chair in the Governor’s Darbar (cabinet) and has been mentioned by Mr. Griffin in his ‘History of the Princes of Punjab’. In 1857, he helped the British government beyond his means, that is he procured fifty (50) cavaliers and horses right during the time of the mutiny. He was considered by the government to be its loyal supporter and well-wisher. A number of testimonials of appreciation received by him from the officers have unfortunately been lost. Copies of three of them, however, which had been published a long time ago, are reproduced in the margin (in English). Then, after the death of my grandfather, my elder brother Mirza Ghulam Qadir remained occupied with service to the government and when the evil-doers encountered the forces of the British government on the highway of Tanmmun, he participated in the battle on the side of the British Government (under General Nicholson he killed several freedom fighters). At the time of the death of my father and brother, I was sitting in the sidelines; but, since then, I have been helping the British for seventeen years with my pen.”

(Kitab-ul-Barriah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 13, P. 4, 5, 6, 7;
Shahadat-ul-Quran, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 6, P. 385-387;
Ishtihar Wajib al-Izhar, Sept. 20, 1897, P. 3-7; appended with Kitab-ul-Barriah)

“I am scion of a family which the English Government acknowledges to be faithful to it. British officers have also admitted that my father and my people are amongst those who served the Government in all sincerity and with heart and soul. I can not find the words to express my homage and gratitude to the beneficent Government on account of the peace and composure which we have found as subjects of the Government. For this reason, we - myself, my father and my brother - have girded up our loins that we will exhibit the favors and advantages of this Government, make obedience to it incumbent on the people and embed it in their hearts.”
(Tabligh-e-Risalat, Vol. 7, P. 8-9)
It is unfortunate to see how Mirza Ghulam proudly boasted about his father and brother having fought on the side of the British and against the Muslims. Nevertheless, in these very brief passages, Mirza expresses his immense gratefulness for all the benefits his family has enjoyed under British rule and indicates to have no goal but to somehow convince Muslims to become obedient and subservient to the British Imperialism!!!

*No wonder they give Ahmadies “no question asked” Visa to Canada, UK, USA, because…

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!!!*

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MULLAHS ARE THE BEST IN BRAINLESS


LoveLess or HateMore,

You are the quintessential "Twister" of words. Care to show me where I said followers of quran & sunnah are "kafirs".

You never told me the name of the website from where you copied & pasted your 'stuff'.

You never told me - who these people are that has served th Umman all their lives? Now, I shall never know how they may have served me?

More importantly, all the while you parlayed your deception, hate and lies towards others - you pretended to be a follower of quran & sunnah.

What is with this deception & hiding your wahabiya belief?

If you follow the teachings of one abdul wahab which are uniquely different than other muslims, then accept it.

For example:
No traditional muslims share these wahabiyya beliefs:
i) They[wahabis] perceive prophet Muhammed(saw) as a bhai char or just like one of us - man!
ii) They reject the concept of Noor-e-Muhammedi.
iii)The wahabis forbid the saying of Salawat for Prophet Muhammed & his family. May Allah bless Muhammed & his Family!

PLUS many more. These are the beliefs uniquely of a wahabi. These are the INNOVATIONS that this creed has inflicted upon the ummah.

Why would you - Love Less care?
You will be submitting your invoice for services rendered[this thread] to that great wahabiyya master and, getting paid for it.

Why cant you guys stick to making educated arguments? Why drag in personalities? Do you feel your arguments are not heavy enough?

Enough on this subject in this thread.

-Admin-3