Q. is Where is Jesu'?

Holy Redeemer

I wish to know whre you are
Are you hiding?

Where for art thou?
I wish to learn.

Educate me please
Tell me what I must do

Remind me to do better
Show me the way

Teach me how to pray.

ummm maybe news to some but he died and i'm sure went to heaven like all good prophets of God.

avamgirl, this is NOT the poety forum, kiddo :rolleyes:

PA,

Bro you are way confused!

Isa (pbuh) did not DIE, they were taken into heaven by Allah and the Romans killed a man Allah made to appear like Isa (pbuh). He will return later and lead the muslims. His return will not be as a prophet, but merely as a follower of our master and the best of creation Hazrat Muhammad sallu alai wa salam, the king of the messengers. Isa all Islam indeed asked to be part of the Ummah of our Rasool.

You watch too much DISNEY channel!

mo my brother.. I only contend he's dead. a simple natural fact of life;which every human (including Isa) experiences at the end of their life, whereas you have a fantastic tale made out of how he's living among the 'undead' and will sometime in the future descend on a minaret, kill a swine and fight a war of civilizations.

Who's been watching cartoons a lot.. me or you??

P.S. if he's still living.. then he must not be a human being, which means Christians were right all along?? see how easily you become fodder for the missionary.

No bro, my "tale" is accepted Islamic belief, he never died, he was NOT crucified. Your talking like an Ahmedi, a kafir.

Tell me where is his grave?

Why is his death not mentioned in Al Quran?

In fact I'm sure its mentioned that he was not killed. I'll check.

My beliefs are inline ith pure Islamic aqeeda, accepted reality for a believer.

Plz tell me where I can find his grave so i can see them as dead?

This is a messenger of Allah, they would neer suffer the indignity of a crucifiction. That is kufr to even suggest that brother.

honestly mo, do u go to each and every person's grave u haven't met to establish they are dead.. WOW Count Dracula really must be alive then..

u should cut down on your TV time mo :)

Brother answer pone question:

Seeing as you are the one making the calim of their death (naousabillah) plz provide PROOF that they are dead.

Islamic sources?

A grave location?

Something which gives your argument some credit-or we can open this up to the entire room ok?

Thanks man.

:)

no my friend mo, i'm not making a 'new' claim here.. EVERYONE tastes death.. that's nature's law..

YOU are denying the fact. I could point to any tomb and say it's someone's grave.. that ain't gonna prove they're dead or indeed buried there.. but if I told u they lived a coupld of thousand years ago.. that is proof enough they are dead today.

What makes u so sure Moses is dead? There was no written history or records back in his times.. why can't he be living too!

How about you tell me what compels u to believe Isa's alive?? spare me the dogmatic chants.. solid proofs.. scriptures accepted.. show me where in the Qur'an it says Jesus lives.. i promise to change my understanding if u can bring forth cogent arguments.. no rhetoric.

Mo, Just out of curosity; what is the aqeeda of Nakashbanis (you do follow the Nakashbandi aqaid, right?) about his second coming? More specifically when is he suppose to desend from heaven?

I agree with mo_best on this.

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) know ledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not (Quran 4:157)

Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise (Quran 4:158)

Thanks Taz, my proof is in the book of Allah, where is yours.

We have the true Sunni beliefs, they will come back to kill the Dajjal and lead the momins.

And when would that be?

Allah wa Alum brother, that knowledge is only with Allah and his beloved, who am I?

If I am correct, dont Qadianis believe that "anti christ" is a reference to Xtianity as a whole, ie they are really opposing the teacxhings of Christ?

A Qadiani mate told me that in high school, so only a few months back. :)

That position is touched upon my Imam hiekh Hamza, who says that sacholars widely take the dajjal to be an induvidual.

Hum .. so you don't know. Has Imam shiekh Hamza said anything to that regards?

Qadiyanis believe a lot of things, you can sure ask your school mate!

p.s: When you refer to His beloved, do you mean AnHazoor (saw)? If so, then your statement implies that you believe in him to be All Knowing, even though you might believe otherwise.

I believe that Rasool Allah gets news from above 7 heavens. Allah alone has absolute knowledge, but if any otrher body would know-our master would.

mo bhai, the prophet is dead too.. leave him out of it.. he doesn’t hear anything.

As for Isa, ponder on how all translators who dilly dally in translating wafat= death when the subject is Isa translate it exactly as death wherever else it’s used in the Qur’an.. why this dishonesty??

And regarding the use of the word rafa it’s better translated as exalt or raise the status of.

e.g.

[19:56] And mention Idris in the Book; surely he was a truthful man, a prophet,
[19:57] And We raised him high (rafanahu) in Heaven

PakistaniAbroad: Now if u translate it otherwise u have two not one prophet in heaven :confused:

Astagferullah

PA has gone from the fold of Islam, he is way out there. Kafir.