Putin taunts Blair: Is Saddam sitting in bunker ready to blow the place up with WMD?

The American foreign minister Blair slapped in the face by Putin.

Putin taunts Blair: Is Saddam sitting in a bunker ready to blow the whole place up with WMD?](Latest news & breaking headlines | The Times and The Sunday Times)

PRESIDENT Putin scuppered Tony Blair’s efforts to repair Anglo-Russian relations after the Iraq war by challenging him and President Bush to uncover weapons of mass destruction to justify the conflict.
The Prime Minister suffered a second blow from the anti-war axis when France and Germany backed plans for a European defence force independent of Nato.

At a summit in Brussels, France, Germany, Belgium and Luxembourg agreed to set up a “multinational force HQ for non-Nato operations”. British officials said they were baffled by the move, and Mr Blair made clear his opposition to any initiative that would undermine the alliance.

Speaking at the end of what was supposed to be a fence-mending meeting with Mr Blair in Moscow, Mr Putin mocked the coalition’s failure to find any biological or nuclear weapons. He said UN oil sanctions should not be lifted until they came to light.

Mr Putin reminded the grim-faced Prime Minister that the only reason he went to war was to eliminate the danger posed by Saddam’s weapons programme.

“Two weeks later they still have not been found,” he told a press conference. “The question is, where is Saddam Hussein? Where are those weapons of mass destruction, if they were ever in existence? Is Saddam Hussein in a bunker sitting on cases containing weapons of mass destruction, preparing to blow the whole place up?”

Mr Putin said that the international community had to draw a line under the row over war in Iraq by allowing UN weapons inspectors back in.

Mr Putin insisted that the UN Oil-For-Food programme, of which Russia is a prime beneficiary, should be renewed instead of lifting sanctions completely. The US and Britain are seeking a rapid end to the oil sanctions to help to finance Iraq’s reconstruction.

Mr Putin also questioned Mr Blair’s vision of a new strategic alliance between the US, Europe and Russia, saying it would not work if the White House made all the decisions.

Mr Putin launched his surprise attack after talks in the presidential residence just outside Moscow.

Mr Blair had hoped to use the one-day trip to persuade Mr Putin to join forces with America and Britain and heal divisions over Iraq. He said on Monday that failure to form a new strategic alliance could result in two rival camps emerging, reviving the tensions and divisions of the Cold War era.

After listening to Mr Putin’s attack, he admitted that the past few months had been very difficult but said the international community had to find a way forward. “The stand-off of the last few months is in no one’s interest — not Europe’s, not Britain’s and not Russia’s,” he said.

He said it was possible to create a two-way process where the US would listen to concerns on the Middle East peace process, global poverty and development while other countries helped the US with its War on Terror and weapons of mass destruction.

He said that the first crucial test for the international community was to agree on a role for the UN in post-conflict Iraq.

Mr Blair appeared shaken by Mr Putin’s tirade. At one point he interrupted his interpreter to make the point that the bickering had to stop: “The kind of stand-off we’ve had in the last few months, in the end, is in no one’s interests. That is why we need to find a way through. To make that partnership real,” he said.

Diplomats said the meeting appeared to have achieved so little they wondered why the two leaders had met in the first place. “They got nowhere and only showed just how far apart they are,” one said.

This was the second successive summit at which Mr Putin had publicly embarrassed Mr Blair. Last October, when they met at Mr Putin’s official dacha outside Moscow, he dismissed a Downing Street dossier on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction as propaganda. Downing Street sources said Mr Blair was angered by his advisers’ failure to warn him about how strongly Mr Putin felt about Iraq.

Analysts say that Russia has been let off relatively lightly by the United States because of its pivotal role in the War on Terror, its massive oil reserves and its huge nuclear arsenal.

** "Mr Putin insisted that the UN Oil-For-Food programme, of which Russia is a prime beneficiary, should be renewed instead of lifting sanctions completely." **

Now there is a very principled stand in support of the Iraqi people. Can we have a little Russia bashing for this one?

**Two weeks later they still have not been found,” he told a press conference. “The question is, where is Saddam Hussein? Where are those weapons of mass destruction, if they were ever in existence? Is Saddam Hussein in a bunker sitting on cases containing weapons of mass destruction, preparing to blow the whole place up?” **

:hehe: Blair and Bush have become the lauging stocks of the world.

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"Mr Putin insisted that the UN Oil-For-Food programme, of which Russia is a prime beneficiary, should be renewed instead of lifting sanctions completely." **

Now there is a very principled stand in support of the Iraqi people. Can we have a little Russia bashing for this one?
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You supported the other sanctions. Why not the new ones?

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You supported the other sanctions. Why not the new ones?
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I've seen the light. A certain lady from Canada and others have finally convinced me that the only proper course of action is to immediately lift sanctions. The French and Russian position is nothing short of genocide.

Ohh such a sweet liar. You should run for president.

With Russia's hypocrisy, dirty dealings and arm shipments to Iraq there is very little room for Putin to "taunt" Blair. Putin and the other losers in this deal (France, Germany, UN) are the ones who are the laughing stock. These are the same people who wanted additional months for the sons of Blixes to locate the WMD but are now demanding the US find them immediately.

Yup they are the losers, as they couldnt stop the US from doing everything that is wrong.

That’s rich coming from the American’s. You have had over a month, and hundreds of thousands of troops occupying the country (which they did not) and how much WMD found? :hehe:

Blix was given 3 months by the US and found nothing. Now after a month or more and controlling everything in the country, with no way for Saddam to hide stuff you guys havent found anything yet either.

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**I've seen the light. A certain lady from Canada and others have finally convinced me that the only proper course of action is to immediately lift sanctions. The French and Russian position is nothing short of genocide.
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That certain lady was whining about this for a long time. Sadly, no one came to her rescue then.

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"Two weeks later they still have not been found. The question is, where is Saddam Hussein? Where are those weapons of mass destruction, if they were ever in existence? Is Saddam Hussein in a bunker sitting on cases containing weapons of mass destruction, preparing to blow the whole place up?"
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i wonder what Blair's response to this would have been? Probably give us more time - the same thing that Blix was requesting.

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That certain lady was whining about this for a long time. Sadly, no one came to her rescue then.
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No rescue intended or needed for that lady. However, I'm right there in your corner now championing the immediate lifting of sanctions. Where is your voice against the unconscionable stand of the French and Russians? Don't tell me you've given up the fight and lost your will to bash those who oppose lifting sanctions. We are so close to winning. You've now got the vast majority of the American people on your side for goodness sake. That's a couple hundred million people converted to your position.

cough*bull***cough

The issue of the sanctions was linked to WMD. The invaders want them lifted so at least some heat goes out of the deabte of them having found no WMD's to date.

There is another way my voice.

As you and your countrymen are dying to get these sanctions lifted and help the poor Iraqi people,(the same people your army takes great pleasure in gunning down on a daily basis) is to go the UN and say that there are no WMD's in Eye raq and that the invasion was therefore carried out under false pretences and will the UN therefore please lift the sanctions. The UN might agree, but then you will have a problem explaining to the UN that irrefutable evidence you brought before them a few months ago. Hmmmmmmmmm!!!!! wonder what happened to those buildings which had WMD in them? Powell was so sure that they were there. Wonder whether the buildings ever existed?

I really want to hear some ranting at Putin for even suggesting that sactions should stay in place. The sanctions were about Saddam, not Russian oil contracts, not Russian Middlemen who controled the Oil-for -Palaces Program.

I quoteth my favorite Canadian:

"Beautiful. Everyone in this thread has been asking me all along 'Nadia wouldn't you be happy to see Saddam gone? Then the sanctions will be lifted.' Right, whatever. So we have twelve years of the most destructive trade embargo in the history of humanity, 1.5 million dead corpses to show for it (of whom 500,000 were just tots), and what do we have to say at the end of it? That even in a post-Saddam era, we will have a bloody "review" of sanctions, perhaps going so far as to "suspend" them. i can't digest this utter irrationality - LIFT, not suspend, not review, not ponder, not contemplate, not study - LIFT the bloody trade embargo. Everyone is so obsessed with Saddam, you all are unable to comprehend what is claiming the lives of more than 160 kids each day.

This is precisely what i was afraid of all along - the past decade we have seen a consistent shifting of the goalposts vis-a-vis the terms for the lifting of sanctions, as well as shifting of goalposts vis-a-vis Iraq's precise obligations towards the Security Council. Even if Saddam is dead and buried, most likely the US administration will still implement a six month waiting period prior to 'suspending' the sanctions. The utter hypocrisy makes me sick."

The problem with your idea Chosen is that the US can NOT certify that there are no WMDs in Iraq at the present time. What we can certify is that any danger posed by Saddam's regime utilizing WMD is gone. Therefore, there is no need for sanctions. Don't you see. Quite simple.

Somehow it seems that all the previously anti-sanctions people are either strangely silent or in favor of waiting to lift sanctions until the US forces on the ground can dig up a good portion of Iraq looking for hidden WMD.

Every day those sanctions are in effect constitutes attempted genocide of the Iraqi people. I wonder how many people will now criticize the US for acting in violation of UN Security Council sanctions by delivering food, medicine, building materials, water, etc. to the Iraqi people. If it is OK by you for the US to defy these UN sanctions, then obviously the concept of the US acting without UN Security Council authorization in Iraq is not a problem.

The US already defied the UN. What is to stop them now. Also why wasnt this stuff sent in the 1990's, if it is genocide now?

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The problem with your idea Chosen is that the US can NOT certify that there are no WMDs in Iraq at the present time. What we can certify is that any danger posed by Saddam's regime utilizing WMD is gone. Therefore, there is no need for sanctions. Don't you see. Quite simple.

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The US cannot certify because they are not there, admit the mistake, take the blame of the illegal invasion and stand up like a man and go the UN and ask for lifiting of the sanctions. But that would be asking too much of a nation with an inflated ego.

Also you state that everyday the sanctions are there it constitutes attempted genocide of the Iraqi people. At least you have now admitted that by imposing the sanctions genocide was being carried out.

CM,

The point is, do you agree with Putin that sanctions should still be imposed, and if so on what basis? Or do you think that sanctions should be lifted?

Make up your mind!

I know what i stand for. But i am shocked that you guys want the sanctions lifted even though saddam aint caught nor have you found any WMD. Why lift sanctions now?