I think December comes after June - when Putin Visited India. There they issued a joint statement :-
The leaders stressed **“the importance of Islamabad implementing in full its obligations and promises… to eliminate the terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan and Pakistani-controlled territory.” **
No Wonder why mushy ran to Moscow on first call itself.
It would be really hard for Russian officials to locate 70-72 camps as they mentioned in PAK - Pakistan Administered Kashmir.
And of course, their justification over Chechyans.
Did you know that According to the Russians Pakistani forces are fighting with Chechens in Vaziristan :-
General Musharraf’s soldiers fight Chechens from Al-Qaeda - http://www.russianobserver.com/stories/02/06/28/1191/15695.html
Another great case of Back stabbing by Mushy, No wonder why Putin extended an invitation to him.
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Why Putin extended invitation to Musharraf? Because of back stabbin'? LOL
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About time when Mushy was Invited by Putin
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Why Putin extended invitation to Musharraf? Because of back stabbin'?
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Yeah stabbing the Chechens in the back.
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About time when Mushy was Invited by Putin
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So? What it has to do with Chechyans? Both leaders desire to have bilateral talks, understands the region condition as United States got her bases close to Russian Federation in Uzbekistan, Kazakistan and Tajikistan. Along with China-Iran, Russia consider Pakistan an important country of the South Asia region.
What else can anyone want? Russian desires to invest in Pakistan in the filed of Science & Technology, Oil and Gas sector. Turk-Afghan-Pakistan Gas pipeline is being back by the Russian Federation.
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Yeah stabbing the Chechens in the back.
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Pakistan never supported Chechyans as it does to PLO and Kashmiris. This is said by the analyst, Mushahid Hussian. Read about it. Though, we still maintain our position on the basis of HRW as Russian Army have been involved in the brutalities of the Chechyans. Of course, now being a non-permanent member of UNSC, Pakistan would raise voice for Chechyans.
Sure http://www.dawn.com/2000/02/12/top10.htm
“Chechenyan leader Zelimkhan expressed gratitude to the people of Pakistan for according him warm welcome and their feelings for Chechenyan Muslims”
Yeah - by bkackstabbing them.
My predictions are goin’ to be true about Defence ties of Pakistan-Russia.
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MOSCOW: President General Pervez Musharraf inspects guard of honour on his arrival here on Tuesday.
Musharraf arrives in Moscow with ‘big hopes’
“Russia intends to carry on work jointly with the Pakistani side to eliminate remaining disagreements and seek to further develop ties in all fields, naturally with no detriment to our relations with our traditional partners,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency.
Russia willing to sell missiles, planes to Pakistan
This is just sad, brothers. Can Economy be improve by havin’ Arms?
** Moscow is willing to sell air-defence missiles to Pakistan, though likely not the S-300U missiles for which Musharraf will request to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
But two areas where Moscow and Islamabad are likely to make concrete progress – and lay the foundation for future cooperation – will concern the energy and arms industries.
MoUs covering immigration, visas, debt rescheduling and cultural exchanges.
Putin and Musharraf will discuss broader issues of regional stability, Pakistan-Indian relations and cooperation on the anti-terrorism front. From Moscow’s point of view, working with Pakistan is a chance to reclaim Russia’s international prominence, since Moscow hopes to play the role of a mediator and peacemaker in Kashmir. It would also help secure Russia’s southern flank, moving beyond Central Asia to the coast.
Islamabad and Moscow have similar, though not exact, interests in new oil and gas pipelines across Pakistan. Moscow sees these as a way to preserve Russian influence and involvement in any new export routes from Central Asia.
Islamabad sees Russian involvement as a way of strengthening the chances of projects success.
Musharraf will work to redefine Pakistan’s relations with Russia and its position within South Asia and the world. Though this is an extremely ambitious goal – and one unlikely to be accomplished quickly – there is a very real confluence of interest in key projects, particularly in Pakistan’s potential role as a trans-shipment route for Central Asian and Iranian oil and gas supplies. On this, and later on arms deals, lie the prospects for a new level of Pakistan-Russian cooperation.**
Good Luck, President. 
What I meant by Pakistan is the Pakistan’s Govt., not people of Pakistan. See the difference from your own link.
**He(Nawabzada Nasrullah Khan) urged all Muslim countries, particularly Pakistan government, to give recognition to Chechenya as an independent and sovereign state. **
Sweet!
That’s what am talkin’ about. Business, Business and Business.
Pakistan, Russia business council
KARACHI, Feb 4: Consul General of the Russian Federation Vladimir P Mikhaylov said on Tuesday that **time has come to form Pakistan-Russia Business Council for the promotion of trade and mutual benefit of the business community of both the countries. **
Speaking as a chief guest at a luncheon meeting organized by a group of businessmen having direct trade link with the Russian Federation, he said unlike in the past the Russian economy is now open and run by private sector on the basis of market forces.
Mikhaylov expressed the hope that the expansion work of the Pakistan Steel would be undertaken at the earliest.
Welcoming the President Musharraf’s visit to Russian Federation, he said, it will prove a confidence building measure between the two nations.
He said that **it would also help promote two-way trade, which is presently at a dismal level of $84 million between the two countries. He said that Pakistan could import engineering goods for its development from Russian Federation and export consumer goods such as textiles, rice, food products, furniture, carpets, sanitary wears, sea food, etc. **
Dr Zahid Hasan of Sabina Pak welcoming the guest said that presently a number of Pakistani companies are importing steel products from Russia.
Russia bans 3 Pakistan-based terror groups
February 05, 2003 10:11 IST
Russia has outlawed three Pakistan-based terrorist outfits, including the Lashkar-e-Tayiba, and launched proceedings to impound their assets.
Besides the Lashkar, the Jamaat-e-Islam and the Hizbul Tahri al Islami have been included in the Federal Security Service blacklist of 15 international terrorist outfits submitted to the prosecutor-general’s office for imposing judicial ban and confiscation of their assets in Russia, state-run Russia TV network said on Tuesday.
:crying: :crying: :crying:
Abay Andhra (Gangu_Teli) , tu apni roti shakal wapis laikar agaya 
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What I meant by Pakistan is the Pakistan's Govt., not people of Pakistan. See the difference from your own link.
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Not that anybody is surprised here, but nobody mentions it so clearly : Pakistan government is not a representative of people of Pakistan and works indpendently oblivious of the views of common man.
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..Pakistan government is not a representative of people of Pakistan and works indpendently oblivious of the views of common man...
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By giving this Pakistan analogy, you have shown once and for all that the Indian leadership was not working on its own accord, and had the full support of ALL the Hindus when they burnt thousands of Muslims, sent over a hundred thousand to refugee camps, and violated the womb of Muslim women ripping their unborn babies apart.
Thank you Dhir. Now go back and have some lunch and a cool glass of 'Desai Cola' with your Hinduvta buddies. Shabash.
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Not that anybody is surprised here, but nobody mentions it so clearly : Pakistan government is not a representative of people of Pakistan and works indpendently oblivious of the views of common man.
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Whether Govt. of Pakistan is a representative of the people of Pakistan or not, people of from the Eastern Border don't have to worry about. What I actually meant is: Govt. of Pakistan always consider Chechyan part of the Russian Federation.
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the analogy of Pakistani people and Pakistan government being two different things, was not devised by me but was put forward by your deer friend Pakistani Tiger (or did I just say Deer!)
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Another point: How many people in India supported move of the Hindutva Govt. against Genocide of Muslim. I hope not everyone because not all the Indians can't be like RSS/VHP/BJP rats.
Gangu_Teli, Just to let you know, Indian sources are highly misleadin' consider on this board esp regardin' Pakistan. You're two links, says nothin' but gives a chance of humor. So, let's have it.
Putin and Musharraf for closer ties as both leaders prasises each other.
Putin, Musharraf discuss trade, ties
Putin sees thaw in ties with Pakistan
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Putin meetin’ with Pakistani authorities
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Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, right, and Russian President Vladimir Putin meet in Moscow, Wednesday, Feb. 5, 2003. (AP)
MOSCOW - Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf discussed trade and military ties with Russian President Vladimir Putin Wednesday amid tensions over Russia’s close links with India and Russian concerns over Pakistan’s commitment to fighting terrorism.
Putin emphasized that closer ties with Pakistan should not hurt Russia’s relationship with India, saying after the Kremlin meeting that he was **“confident the talks were a good basis for intensifying our bilateral dialogue - of course without prejudice to our relationship to traditional allies.” **
The talks “will help us better coordinate the efforts of our two countries in addressing international questions, including in the anti-terror coalition,” Putin said. He said he **“stressed the need to work consistently to resume a dialogue between India and Pakistan.” **
Musharraf, whose visit to Moscow is the first by a Pakistani leader in more than three decades, said he would like to “write a new book on bilateral relations” with Russia.
*Top officials signed accords on cooperation in science, culture and education and cooperation between their Interior Ministries and diplomatic academies. Putin said the sides might also sign a deal meant to increase trade in the energy, metals, telecommunications and aerospace industries, *
**Musharraf was to meet later with Russian lawmakers and business executives. Before the Kremlin meeting, he laid flowers at Russia’s Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. **
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MOSCOW: Federal Ministers, Secretary & other officials stands at monument of unknown soldiers, where President General Pervez Musharraf laying floral wreath before his meeting with Russian President Puttin.
Relations between Moscow and Islamabad have been strained since the Soviet Union’s 1979-89 invasion of Afghanistan, when Pakistan was used as a staging area for U.S.-backed rebel forces fighting Soviet troops.
Pakistan is also uneasy about Russia’s close ties to rival India. Moscow signed an agreement with New Delhi last month that envisions joint development of an advanced fighter jet, joint production of a supersonic Brahmos cruise missile and sales of submarines.
In the run-up to Wednesday’s Kremlin meeting, Russian officials have expressed concern about Pakistan’s commitment to fighting Islamic militant groups on its territory and stemming the flow of terrorists and illegal drugs from Afghanistan.
Russia has said that rebels in Chechnya have close ties to international terrorists and has complained that the U.S.-led anti-terror campaign in Afghanistan has done little to stop the flow of heroin and opium from that country. Russia is a major transit for Afghan drugs en route to Western Europe and has thousands of troops stationed in Tajikistan, a former Soviet republic in Central Asia, to guard that country’s border with Afghanistan.
**Despite the tensions, Russia and Pakistan appear eager to boost their bilateral trade beyond the current US$100 million. Musharraf told Putin that the low level of trade “needs to be rectified.” **
The two leaders also discussed Kashmir, the disputed Himalayan territory which has sparked two wars between India and Pakistan. Putin said he *“stressed the need to work consistently to resume a dialogue between India and Pakistan,” and Musharraf said he hopes for “a peaceful resolution to the Kashmir dispute.” *
Putin and Musharraf began their talks with words of praise for each other.
“You are a successful military man as well as a politician, ;)” Putin told Musharraf. The Pakistani leader praised Putin’s high approval ratings and noted that a Russian pop group wrote a song dedicated to him for his birthday last October.
“No one sings pop songs about me,” Musharraf said.
PT, champ, its too early to say anything regarding the outcome of this visit. However, I think it is indeed of great importance to our country, a great opportunity after 20 yrs that we certainly must avail and make the most out of it. Keeping in view that interests matter most in such relationships and still being cognizant of the fact that we were unable to establish very cordial relations with the Central Asian Republics, due to obvious factors one being the ongoing civil war in Afghanistan.
While these states are no more under the tutelage of Russia, they are still under its influence. Iran is already on very good terms with both Russia and it has a certain leverage as far as CARs are concerned. India on the otherhand, has always been great when it comes to diplomacy. With Afghanistan facing a period of relative calm , I believe it is important for us to revive ECO and focus more towards increasing our clout in countries that are our close neighbors rather than banking on US alone.
Losty,
Pakistan got good relations with the CARs. Did you know Badar Satellite was launched from Kazakistan? Gas Pipe deal with Turkmenistan would have a great impact. But leaders from our country never be able to maintain balance b/w CAR’s and Muslim States of the Middle East.
I’d have to agree with on one thing: We failed to maintain balance b/w East and West but things have really shape up in past two years. We able to sold Arms to Middle East and South East Nations, including Bangladesh. Of course, all this happened because of Diplomacy.
Bankin’ only United States, you stole my words, I wouldn’t count that either. It’s good to know Pakistan seeks bilateral relations without boudaries as well Russia. Based on that logic, we are in a agreement.
Musharraf’s historic visit to Moscow
President Musharraf’s Russia visit is a landmark in Pak-Russia relationship. The visit is more than a mere state visit–based on normal channel of diplomacy. This is in many ways a quantum jump forward in our mutual relationship in respect of economic co-operation, trade relationships, regional partnership and to some extent opening up of a new vista in our defence outlook. The visit is a milestone if reckoned with the international scenario pervading our country since Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s visit in the seventies.
Visits of Heads of States, which take place through prolonged and successful discussion and evaluation of mutual interests of the concerned countries, always carry special significance. President Musharraf’s current visit is a culmination of a perception emanating from the meetings of the two Presidents first in New York at the UN in 2001 and again at Almaty in June, 2002 when President Vladimir Putin extended a special invitation to President Musharraf for a state visit.
Certainly, the visit reflects President Musharaf’s farsightedness in leadership, diplomacy and boldness. This, in many ways, will bring for us premium in our current economic and political relationships, not only with Russia but also with the six Central Asian countries, commonly bound with frontiers of geography and Muslim brotherhood. More particularly, the visit is looked at with great importance in respect of Pakistan’s role and place in the future of Afghanistan and in a probable solution of the Kashmir issue. Needless to mention that our President, despite Pakistan’s deep commitment with the Western World, very successfully secured Russian support for initiating negotiations with India on Kashmir issue along with Russian hospitality.
It is also important that President Musharraf has taken very timely and successful steps in reversing and moderating our relationships with our next-door neighbours like Iran, Turkey, China, central Asian countries and brotherly countries in the Gulf, Malaysia and Bangladesh.
The visit is likely to result in solving an unresolved issue of determining exchange rate for calculating Pakistan’s debt to Russia and its appropriate re-scheduling based on mutuality. Pakistan would also like to reap the benefit of the Russian expertise known internationally in the field of oil and gas exploration. The nation is waiting anxiously to hear renewed collaboration between Pakistan and Russia in the field of electricity generation and steel.
Similarly,** the youth of Pakistan is restive to hear activation of the MoU concluded earlier during 1989-90 between the two countries for youth exchange and Russian assistance to Pakistan to generate youth income through technical training and supply of necessary equipment with the help of Youth Bank of Russia.**
Pakistan’s endeavour in the field of weather satellite in space can be further augmented with Russian assistance. We expect the President to bring with him a rich bilateral experience and shared views on a number of complex issues like terrorism, prevailing situation in Iraq and Pakistan’s future role in the South Asian context, which will open doors for a bold and new beginning of Pak-Russia relationship in the years to come.
The nation is waiting with commitment and interest for the success of the President.
(Syed Parvez Ali Shah is a former minister in-charge of youth affairs, Govt of Pakistan and former senior minister in Sindh)
all arguements and witticism aside there's only one small tiny sliver of quid pro quo that pakistan has to offer. and that's based on a scenario of three if's.
If India gets extremely close to the US and If that happens at the cost of Indo-US collaborations and If China looks like emerging as the only second super power....then pakistan will be a good place to keep a couple of high power transmitters in. the probablity for this however low it migh be, is worth giving a dinner to musharaf for. it is also a good captive opportunity to market some armaments that pakistan can pay for with the US dollars recently received by them.
Three MoUs signed followed by talks between Musharraf and Putin.
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MOSCOW: President Pervez Musharraf addressing the Russian entrepreneurs and investors at a dinner hosted by the Ambassador of Pakistan.
Russia, Pakistan sign 3 bilateral documents
MOSCOW, February 06 (Online): Following the talks between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, members of the Russian and Pakistani delegations signed three bilateral documents Wednesday.
**They are a memorandum on cooperation between the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Foreign Ministry and the Diplomatic Service Academy of the Pakistani Foreign Ministry, an intergovernmental program for cooperation in culture, science and education for the years 2003 through 2006, a memorandum of cooperation between the Russian and Pakistani interior ministries. **