Putin invites Musharraf

Just what is Indians problem? why r they so jealous about a lil' visit of Musharraf to Russia?

It didn't have anything to do with arms deal or anything, it was about trade, education, creating healthy environment amongst two countries etc and Indians can't even digest that?

Get a life man. Get over that Pakistan phobia you guys are in. It wasn't like Russia and Pakistan schemed about taking over India. You guys could've been positive and said you're happy about it, but not you had to show your true cowerdly face and continue your negative rhetoric for Pakistan.

Well Said Dr.Evil. :slight_smile:

Musharraf: Russia can help end Kashmir dispute

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Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf speaks to the media during a press conference in Russian nationwide daily Izvestia in Moscow on Thursday, Feb. 6, 2003. (AP)

MOSCOW - Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf said Thursday that warmer ties between Islamabad and Moscow may help resolve his nation’s long-running dispute with India over the disputed Himalayan territory of Kashmir.

**“Russia, with long relations with India and now improving relations with Pakistan, is most well-placed to play key role in resolution of disputes and improving relations between India and Pakistan,” **Musharraf said at a news conference during his visit to Russia - the first by a Pakistani leader in more than three decades.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Wednesday after the talks with Musharraf in the Kremlin that he was **“confident the talks were a good basis for intensifying our bilateral dialogue - of course without prejudice to our relationship to traditional allies.” **

The talks **“will help us better coordinate the efforts of our two countries in addressing international questions, including in the anti-terror coalition,” ** Putin said. He said he **“stressed the need to work consistently to resume a dialogue between India and Pakistan.”

“We did discuss Pakistan-India relations, and in Pakistan-India relations, obviously, the focal point is Kashmir, but we didn’t get involved in the methodology of resolution of the dispute,”** Musharraf said Thursday.

**Musharraf invited Putin to Pakistan for what would be the first visit there by a Russian president. Putin accepted the invitation, though no date for the visit was announced. **

India and Pakistan have fought three wars since 1947 - two of them over Kashmir, which both countries claim in its entirety. Last year, tensions between the two nuclear rivals over Kashmir put the entire world on edge until the two sides agreed to ease the standoff after intense international mediation.

During the Soviet era, Russia was the chief weapons supplier for India and supported New Delhi in the conflict over Kashmir. Moscow’s relations with New Delhi slackened after the 1991 Soviet collapse, but warmed again later in the 1990s, as India again became a top customer for Russia’s ailing weapons industries.

In a joint statement after Wednesday’s talks, Russia and Pakistan underlined the need for “the resumption of dialogue between Pakistan and India to resolve all disputed issues on a just and impartial basis.” Russia also hailed the withdrawal of Pakistani and Indian troops from the border and their move to exchange lists of nuclear facilities, the statement said.

In the statement, Russia and Pakistan also called for a political solution of the Iraq crisis.

As part of Musharraf’s visit, **top Russian and Pakistani officials signed accords on cooperation in science, culture and education. Putin said the sides might also sign a deal meant to increase trade in the energy, metals, telecommunications and aerospace industries. **

Musharraf said Thursday that **Russia and Pakistan had agreed to set up an inter-government commission to help expand bilateral economic ties. **

Asked about a project of a natural gas pipeline from Iran to India through Pakistan, Musharraf said that Islamabad had always supported it.

“It’s a win-win situation profitable for all three countries - Iran, Pakistan and India,” Musharraf said. **“Therefore, we are for it, and we have been saying that we will ensure the security of this gas pipeline and the security of supplies to India in accordance with international conventions.” **


Moscow, Islamabad oppose unilateral use of force against Iraq - joint statement

Here is an analysis of Musharraf’s visit to Russia by a Russian journalist. Any comments on this report from Asia Times?

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EB07Df05.html

Musharraf a small fish in Putin’s pool
By Sergei Blagov

MOSCOW - Russian President Vladimir Putin endorsed the Pakistani role in the war on terror as President General Pervez Musharraf traveled to Russia for a three-day visit that ends on Thursday, the first visit by a Pakistani president in some two decades. However, the modest results of the rare summit meeting between Russian and Pakistani leaders arguably indicate that traditional strategic partnerships are yet to commence shifting.

Contd.

Musharraf a small fish in Putin’s pool

** Enough. Stick to the topic of this thread, and that goes for all participants.

Mursalin

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Gosh, ruined the entire thread.
Khair PT, I concur with u on those points. ANd yes ur point regarding the fact that we need to know the difference between Central Asian States and the Middle Eastern States is well taken. As we all know these countries have been under Russian tutelage for a long time , hence, any step from our side merely on the basis of religion would not be appreciated, as almost all these republics are ruled by X-communists.ANother factor is our right wing parties support to and sympathy for the religious organizations in these states. That colours their stand towards our state.

As for the visit, as I said earlier I am not that hopeful, however, it is indeed a great opportunity.And I fear that Pakistan will be inducted in the Shinghai five, I dunno why. Its not easy. But lets see.(like wise India has been trying hard to get into ASEAN, but it has not been successful so far).

I feel that we need to dissaccociate ourselves from every form of extremism if we really need to progress on the economic front. That is one big hurdle and it seems we are in a quagmire, the more we are trying to get out of that , the more its becoming entranched in our country.

:)

Losty,

CARs do have Russian influence on them but the fact is they have been developed throughout. ECO. has been expanded to CARs includin’ Afghanistan.

Check FOLDER - PAKISTAN and Muslim World (09/2002)

Yes,

Now, Pakistan sets eyes on Shanghai Group and will seek Russian support for its member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). :slight_smile:

I remember an interview of a Chinese official. He said Pakistan payin’ much more attention to the EU and North America, abondonin’ countries around her territory. You see Losty, we need to maintain balance among different nations by keepin’ in mind ‘National Interest’

Yes, definitely Extremisim is the main hurdle for the properity, development for Pakistan and its people.

President Musharraf returns home. :slight_smile:

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Both leaders have “Good Chemistry”. Hope for better relations

Pakistan begins ‘New Chapter’ with Russia

**The President of Pakistan Pervez Musharraf has wrapped up his visit to Moscow, the first by a Pakistani leader in 33 years. **

*He hailed it as the start of a new chapter in the Russian-Pakistani relations. *

**President Musharraf told the press in Moscow that Russia and Pakistan have decided to re-start their relationship with a clean slate and leave everything negative behind. **

  • **Best wishes **

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Putin: Wishes Pakistan success

**“We wish President Musharraf success in fulfilling all the obligations that his country undertook in the anti-terror coalition,” **President Putin said.


The Russian leader takes the credit for defusing a crisis over Kashmir last year when India and Pakistan deployed a million troops along their border in tense stand-off.


‘New Era of Friendship’ With Pakistan](http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2003/02/07/002.html)

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President Pervez Musharraf speaking at a news conference in Moscow on Thursday.

Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf on Thursday wrapped up a three-day visit that was more symbolic than substantive, saying that Islamabad and Moscow had left behind the Cold War animosity that once separated them.

“We have ushered in a new era of friendship between Pakistan and Russia,” Musharraf told reporters, speaking in crisp English on topics ranging from trade to al-Qaida. **“We need to start with a clean slate in our bilateral relationship. We need to reinforce the good of the past and bury the bad.” **


Musharraf said he and Putin spent 5 1/2 hours together Wednesday, almost half of that time one-on-one. He added with a smile that they had spoken three languages: Russian, English and “body language.”

*Russia and Pakistan did not finalize any concrete deals to boost their meager trade figures, but outlined several areas of cooperation, Musharraf said.

One such field was metallurgy. The two countries signed a memorandum of understanding giving Russian companies priority in a project to upgrade a major steelworks in Karachi built with Soviet assistance.

Another area was oil and gas development. Pakistan invited natural gas giant Gazprom to have first dibs in the privatization of Pakistan’s oil and gas companies, Interfax reported.

Musharraf said bilateral cooperation would also include space technology, such as the launch of Pakistani communications satellites on Russian rockets.*

He added that a joint intergovernmental commission would work out the “nitty-gritty” of further plans for cooperation.


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Editorial and Opinions about President’s visit to Moscow. :slight_smile:

Pak-Russian ties

President Pervez Musharraf in his three-day visit to Russia succeeded in pioneering a new chapter in the relations between the two countries. Apart from voicing conformity in their views on several bilateral, regional and international issues, they also reaffirmed their commitment to promote cooperation between themselves. Agreements were also reached in areas covering trade, assistance and cooperation in a number of fields which are designed to benefit Pakistan. Russia already has a good track record of helping Pakistan in a number of mega projects, and it can be expected that this renewed beginning will prove just as fruitful.


President Musharraf in a press conference on conclusion of the visit put into proper perspective Pakistan’s position on certain questions regarding South Asia. While he thought that President Putin was in best position to facilitate talks between India and Pakistan, he said he did not ask him to broker a dialogue. He also ruled out any conditional talks with India, saying that Pakistan was ready for a dialogue to resolve the outstanding issues, including Kashmir. Another point he made was that Pakistan was maintaining balance in conventional forces, but if any imbalance was found, Pakistan would take all measures to fulfil its defence needs.

The Russian visit

President Gen Pervez Musharraf was right on the mark when he described his visit to Russia as writing a new book, not the proverbial chapter, on the Pak-Russian relations. It was the first visit by a Pakistani leader since Bhutto’s 31 years ago. President Musharraf has invited President Vladimir Putin to Pakistan. If the invitation were to materialise, it would be the first ever visit to Pakistan by a Russian president.

President Musharraf and President Putin held private talks in Moscow in a very cordial atmosphere. They traded compliments. Putin told Musharraf, “You are a successful military man as well as politician”. Musharraf praised Putin’s high approval rating and pointed out to a pop song dedicated to Putin for his 51st birthday on October 7, 2002.

The joint statement issued at the conclusion of the meeting stresses on enhancing bilateral trade, which at present stands at a dismally low figure of $83 million. The two sides have also committed to promote bilateral cooperation in metallurgy, power plants, oil and gas and space research as well as regional and global peace and stability. Fortunately, the two sides did not indulge in recriminations but looked forward to a period of mutually beneficial relationship. They stated their respective positions and expressed concern on issues such as terrorism, drug trafficking, Kashmir and Chechnya. On many important regional and global issues the two sides appear to have the similar views.


Putin is regarded as a ‘decent and honest man’. Bill Clinton after his first meeting with Putin praised him for being capable of creating a strong and prosperous Russia. Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev was of the view that ‘Putin is certainly no threat to the Russian democracy’. Pakistan and Russia under Musharraf and Putin now have a great opportunity to bury the past and bring the two countries closer so that this region may have a prosperous and peaceful future.


Opening up to Russia

Our initiative toward Russia is timely sign of change. How the relationship evolves would depend largely on Russian response to our overture. We cannot and shouldn’t judge Musharraf’s visit in terms of immediate and tangible outcomes. Pursuit of foreign policy is a process not an event and such visits take time before we see concrete results. What is important is the new direction and new thinking behind our foreign policy that has been overshadowed for long by the nature of our ties with the United States. While we don’t deny the importance of that relationship, it shouldn’t hold us back from exploring new tracks, making new friends and looking in new directions. We must exercise that freedom.

it is always exhilarating to see the pakistani boosters club find meanings and inner meanings and counter meanings in every sneeze that musharaf takes...poor guy is trying his best to keep a low profile and not rile up bush or the islamists too much - just let him be. trips to moscow are good diversions.

Pakistan Ambassador to Russia lauds President’s visit.

Musharraf’s Russia visit fruitful, says envoy

MOSCOW, Feb 7: The country’s ambassador to Russia, Syed Iftikhar Murshid has described President Gen Pervez Musharraf’s visit to Russia as ‘successful’ and said it would yield positive results.

Speaking to Pakistani newsmen who covered the visit, the ambassador said **President Musharraf and his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, struck a personal rapport and were together for five-and-a-half hours.

“Putin has never been that long with any visiting dignitary and the fact that the one-to-one meeting with Gen Musharraf was extended to two hours and 15 minutes from the original one hour clearly shows the interest of the Russian President in embarking upon new friendship with Pakistan,”** he said.

He said the ***four memoranda of understanding signed during the visit would help further the ties between the countries and ensure greater understanding. He specially mentioned the MoU signed for the expansion and modernization of Pakistan Steel Mills. ***

The ambassador noted that the visit, the first in 33 years, has laid the groundwork for better ties between the countries. “Of course, in three days we cannot expect spectacular results but at least the mindset has been dismantled and the two countries can now move ahead with renewed determination to consolidate their ties,” he said.

He reiterated that President Putin was in a position to push for dialogue between Pakistan and India on the solution of all outstanding problems between them.

Mr Murshid said Russia and Pakistan had come to some understanding on defence issues. He said the visit would lead to the opening of a new chapter in relations between the countries.


Another editorial of Musharraf’s landmark visit to Russia.

Ties with Russia: A new beginning

**President Pervez Musharraf’s three-day visit to Russia has ended on a positive note, with both sides affirming their resolve to effect an all-round improvement in their bilateral relations. The joint statement issued on Thursday is comprehensive. It covers, besides geopolitical issues, many economic, cultural and scientific areas where the two countries seem keen to cooperate.

The two sides have also signed several agreements on cultural cooperation and oil and gas exploration. But the most important one is a memorandum of understanding for the expansion, balancing and modernization of the Pakistan Steel at a cost of $ 100 million. This is in the fitness of things, because it was Russia which helped Pakistan establish its first steel mills. **

The agreements show, in the words of President Musharraf, the desire of the two countries to bury the “bad things” and revive and reinforce the **“good things.” The joint communique also notes the help Russia has given to Pakistan in its space programme, especially Moscow’s technical assistance in launching Badr-2 communications satellite. **

*Other areas where the two sides are keen to collaborate include narcotics control, debt restructuring, banking, giving each other the most-favoured nation treatment in trade and investment, and a review of the existing joint commissions. *


The joint communique adopts a middle course, stressing the importance of resumption of talks while expecting all relevant parties to create a favourable climate for that purpose. **President Musharraf seems to have shown an understanding of the Russian position when he told newsmen that he did not expect an improvement in relations between the two countries at the expense of Moscow’s relations with another country. This is a realistic view. What Pakistan needs is an improvement in relations with Russia so as to remove the misunderstandings of the past and start a new phase of friendly relations between the two countries. **


The joint statement notes that Russia supports the Kabul Declaration of last December which Pakistan and some of Afghanistan’s other neighbours signed, pledging non-interference in its internal affairs. This means that both Islamabad and Moscow are interested in lending support to the Karzai regime to see Afghanistan through the transition to a constitutional set-up.


The joint communique is basically a statement of intent. The agreement on specific issues is as important as the desire it reflects on the part of the two countries to forge a new relationship. A key sentence affirms the two countries’ “intention to cooperate closely in bilateral and international forums on strategic stability.” *This by any standard is a good beginning. One hopes the two sides will continue to pursue their shared aims and concerns in a spirit of harmony, friendship and understanding. *

“We wish President Musharraf success in fulfilling all the obligations that his country undertook in the anti-terror coalition,” President Putin said. :hehe:

watch out - you guys really don't need Russia to help with your 'debt restructuring, narc ctl and banking"....what the heck do Russians have in these 'really advanced' fields! what the heck does 'collaborating in debt restructuring' mean any way?

PM Jamali lauds President’s visit. :slight_smile:

Jamali terms Musharraf’s Russia visit a success

QUETTA: Prime Minister Mir Zafarullah Khan Jamali has termed President Musharraf’s recent visit to Russia a success and said it has opened new doors of bilateral relations between the two countries.

Talking to newsmen soon after his arrival at the airport here on Saturday, the prime minister said Musharraf’s visit to Russia proved a breakthrough in Pakistan-Russia relations and hoped that it would pave the way to improve the relationship between the two countries.


New Doors Of Bilateral Relations

QUETTA, Pakistan: Feb 09 (PNS) - Prime Minister Mir Zafarullah Khan Jamali has termed President Musharraf’s recent visit to Russia a success and said it has opened new doors of bilateral relations between the two countries.

Talking to newsmen soon after his arrival at the airport here Saturday, the PM said **Musharraf’s visit to Russia proved a break through in Pakistan-Russia relations and hoped that it would pave the way to improve the relationship between the two countries. **

Referring to his recent visit to Middle East, he said danger of war was still prevailing in the region and the issue between the USA and Iraq was being discussed in the Security Council.

Regarding Pakistan’s policy on the issue, he said, **“Pakistan will adopt a policy that would be in the best interest of the nation and country.” **

that's probably the boldest thing jamali is allowed to do! understand mr.jamali's NAM visit has been cancelled and musharaf himself is going to attend! guess didn't want to risk it

Jagjeevan,

You don't have any idea what u talkin' about. Jamali will stay in the country for Senate election, therefore, Musharraf is attendin' NAM. :)

Don't speak too early. Get the education of the day?

Russian Media covers President’s Landmark visit to Moscow. :slight_smile:

Musharraf’s visit draws attention of Russian media

MOSCOW, Feb 8: Russian media covered extensively President Pervez Musharraf’s historic visit front-paging his activities and talks with President Vladimir Putin.

Moscow’s English language daily The Moscow Times ran a lead story by staff writer Natalia Yefimova in its Friday edition on President Musharraf’s news conference just before his departure home on Thursday.

She wrote: **"President Pervez Musharraf on Thursday wrapped up a three-day visit that was more symbolic than substantive, saying that Islamabad and Moscow had left behind the Cold War animosity that once separated them.

“We have ushered in a new era of friendship between Pakistan and Russia. We need to start with a clean slate in our bilateral relationship. We need to reinforce the good of the past and bury the bad.”** However, according to the writer while the meetings between the two presidents and other officials were marked by cordiality and good will, it is unlikely that Pakistan will become more than a blip on Russia’s foreign policy.

During his visit to the prestigious Russian paper, Izvestia where he met the editorial board and staff journalists, the paper headlined a banner **“The President of Pakistan invites Russians to warm waters.” **

In a writeup on the visit to his organization, staff writer Gennady Charodeev said having familiarized with the work of the newspaper, General Musharraf behind a cup of tea shared the impressions of his first visit to Moscow: **"Despite the cold and freezing temperatures the warmth of your souls and the hospitality shown to our delegation has made us quite warm. :wink:

“As far as I know, erstwhile Soviet Union aspired to reach warm waters of the Indian Ocean. We would like all countries of the Central Asia wanting to reach world market should do so through Pakistan. We invite Russia also to pass this way.” **

Other papers that covered the president’s visit were Kommersant, Vremya MN, Trud, and Nezavisimaya Gazeta.

Earlier, on the day of his arrival on Feb 4, important dailies published written interviews with the president.

Daily Izvestia published one-page supplement on Feb 5, **highlighting Pakistan-Russia trade and bilateral relations with the president’s profile and Pakistan Ambassador Syed Iftikhar Murshid’s message. **

The Russian State TV network-RTR Channel 2, telecast exclusive interview with the president with focus on Musharraf-Putin talks, the nuclear and Kashmir issues.

Guess after 30 years - it can be classified as a landmark visit. But any agreement between Pakistan and Moscow passes through New Delhi.

:hehe:

OrangeOrder oops aka banned Guppy,

Don’t live in assumption. Russians give you junks and India accept in billion $$ of wroth. No one buys junk except India. :hehe:

So how come Pakistan is interested in all this junk now? May be because America is selling F-16s to India now, so Pakkistan got to take anything it can, including the russian junk. :hehe:

Abay 'Saffron Soldier', tu abhi tak yahan par hai? Apni behan Jagjeevan kai saath nahi gaya? :)