Purpose of Sending Prophets

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His point I believe, and this is one a cynical person might make as well, is that all prophets and Abrahamic religions are based out of one region because they are all based on stories from one particular region. Native Americans lived for over a thousand years without hearing about any of the prophets. Were they going to hell for all this time? The Chinese and the Japanese have never adopted Abrahamic religions. Are they all damned as well?

Either God does not care about these civilizations, or the entire concept of Abrahamic religions is based out of the Middle East, based on stories from the Middle East, thus, all prophets are from the Middle East. I'm heavily implying something here, and I'm not saying that I even believe it, but it's definitely a possibility.

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he sent prophets to every nation.....as christian accepted Isa alehi salam as son of god may be......these nations turned prophets to their deities.....
As far as india is concerned indian mythology believe in arc of noah and great flood.....

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Being a muslim, what I understand according to the Islamic history, is that Arabia is where the "world began". It's historic significance goes back to the time of the first ever humans placed on earth. There are contradictions in the historic accounts as to where exactly Hazrat Adam a.s. and Bibi Hawa landed after descending from heaven but there is no question that they reunited in Arabia. Why couldn't they have reunited somewhere in Asia or Africa or America in which case that is where the muslim/human civilization would have begun. So why did Arabia have to be centre of Islam? Either the arabs are pretty good at making up stories and making the rest of the world not only believe in them but corroborate them, or they're not just stories they're actual facts backed up by authentic historical accounts not just holy books.

Like I said in my earlier post, it's all a part of Allah's scheme of things. What's so special about Makkah that the world not only began there but it will also end there... if I'm not mistaken, Arafat is where the day of judgement will begin. Why? Allah ki marzi. Sanu ki?

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But Judaism and Christianity didn't originate in Arabia, but other parts of the Middle East. They were influenced by stories from the Sumerians (and Egyptians) whose civilization dates back to 5-6000 BC. Gilgamesh and the flood myth are far older than Abrahamic religions. And archeology shows us that humans all originated out of Africa.

Thus, my point is that the reason that all prophets are from the Middle East is stories can only travel so far. This is why a Native American would have never heard of any Biblical stories had it not been for the discovery of America. We have to consider the possibility that religions may be man made. This does not disprove the existence of a God, it just questions the authenticity and purpose of scriptures, prophets, and rituals.

It's not up to me to define someone's beliefs, but I do have questions because, if one considers religion to be the word of God, then there are many logical inconsistencies.

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Nothing logical about the miracles of Hazrat Isa a.s. or the journey of Prophet saw to the heavens either. That is why religion is about Iman.

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I suppose. But faith is just taking someone's word for it which, you have to admit, is quite a leap. Personal belief is fine, but when these beliefs infringe on political issues, there's a problem. That's why I'm skeptical and look for logical reasoning because blindly believing in a principle is not enough for a political or social policy. That's also why I hope that if there is a God (in the Abrahamic sense) He excuses my skepticism.

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lolll @ humanity began in the middle east!

nope. Africa.

and it wasnt 5-6000 years ago either. Much much much more.

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5-6000 BC was when Sumerian civilization may have began, which, if I recall correctly, is one of the earliest agricultural civilizations; one of the first, if not the first, instance of humans going from a nomadic existence to an agricultural one. My point in bringing this up is that they had their own stories which clearly influenced later religions.

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Bhai jan, I'm talking about the descendants of Hazrat Adam a.s. in the light of Islamic history, not the evolution of homo sapiens in the light of modern science. Why do you think I put "world began" in inverted commas? One of the questions posed here was why the prophets happened to be arabs and I tried to answer that by explaining why Arabia is the centre of Islam and how its historic significance goes back to the time of the first ever prophet.

Ghost, I thought there was no concept of one God before Islam. Can you be more specific about the influences you are talking about?

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The earliest concept of monotheism can be attributed to Zoroastrianism. Even Plato's writings contain concepts of it. As for other influences, Jesus bears a striking similarity to the Egyptian god Horus. Satan is very similar to the god Set. The flood myth I referenced earlier (Noah's Ark) appears in Sumerian writings regarding Gilgamesh. Did Judaism incorporate these into it's stories? It's highly likely.

This does not disprove the existence of a God or creator, but does bring into question (for me at least) the authenticity of religion. And given what I've said above, I cannot fault someone for having considered religion and deciding to become an atheist.

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For a muslim, that is very easy to understand. Though Zoroaster's name is not mentioned in the Quran, it is likely that he was also a Prophet of God (based on the verse I posted earlier) and preached the same religion as all the other prophets i.e. Islam. Read this excerpt:

"When the companions of the Prophet saw, on invading Persia, came in contact with the Zoroastrian people and learned these teachings, they at once came to the conclusion that Zoroaster was really a Divinely inspired prophet. Thus they accorded the same treatment to the Zoroastrian people which they did to other "People of the Book." Though the name of Zoroaster is not mentioned in the Qur'an, still he was regarded as one of those prophets whose names have not been mentioned in the Qur'an, for there is a verse in the Qur'an: "And We did send apostles before thee: there are some of them that We have mentioned to thee and there are others whom We have not mentioned to Thee." (40 : 78). Accordingly the Muslims treated the founder of Zoroastrianism as a true prophet and believed in his religion as they did in other inspired creeds, and thus according to the prophecy, protected the Zoroastrian religion."

Anyway, it's been an interesting discussion and no, I don't blame anyone for being an atheist or whoever.

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There have been round about 124,000 prophets sent to humankind by God. Not all of the prophets were from Arab origin. There are only about 25/26 prophets mentioned in Quran specifically.. but the rest of the prophets Allah said were sent but who were they.. where did the live and who were they prophet to.. are all the questions which we do not have information about. But rest assured.. Allah says that he has sent his prophets to all nations of the world. The different kinds of religions that you see around the world are all based on the teaching of their leader/founder. Be it Zoroaster, Buddha, or Karishna. Though, these names are not mentioned by Allah in Quran but there for sure is a possibility that they were prophets of Allah as well. All the nations have been sent a prophet..their people corrupted the true teachings they brought.

Islam was originated in arabia. It had to originate from somewhere. It could have been India, South America or any other part of the world. Muhammad PBUH had to be from the progeny of Ismaeel (as) as was promised to Jesus(as) ( if i remember correctly .. since Jesus(as) was from the progeny of Ishaaq(as), another brother of Ismaeel (as) )... He(saw) could have been born else where too... and it was up to the humans to believe in his prophethood. Its very illogical to say why He was sent in one part of the world.. and why not in different part of the world. Like I said.. in Quran, Allah says that prophethood is his blessings and it is up to him whoever he bestows with prophethood, where ever he does it, and when he wills..theres no questioning his power over this.

Allah is maalik in that sense and not a judge. We cannot tell him the rules he should follow. You cannot tell him that since a person was a hindu/sikh/budhist, he should and must send him to hell and since you're a muslim, u deserve jannah. No. He will judge you and he will judge other religion's people as well.. but ultimately..its his will whomsoever he forgives and let them enter jannah and whomsoever he pleases he would throw them in hell. We cannot set our own laws on him and tell him to do this and not do that.

Why abrahamic religion were all based on arabia and around that region ..well ask yourself... would you not have had the same question if the religions were based in united states ?

Which religion has ever accepted the truthfulness of the religion which was sent by God before him? which religion has honored the leader of the religion which was sent before him..? it is the religion of Islam. Islam approves of all the prophets truthfulness and made it mandatory to believe in them to be called a muslim. Had it been man made, Islam would just make laws of shariya like any other religion and disapproves of prophets sent before. The truthfulness of abrahamic religion being sent by God is the continuous acceptance of a prophet before. Judaism believed in prophets before Moses(as), rejected Messiah. Christians accepted all prophets including moses and accepted Jesus(as). Islam accepted all prophets, moses, jesus etc and gave us the final shariyah.

Allah says that we are the exalted nation..since this shariya which is given to us is the most perfect and complete.

2:143 : And thus have We made you an exalted nation, that you may be guardians over men, and the Messenger of Godmay be a guardian over you. And We did not appoint the Qiblah which thou didst follow, except that We might know him who follows the Messenger of God from him who turns upon his heels. And this is indeed hard, except for those whom Allah has guided. And it does not behove Allah to let your faith go in vain; surely, Allah is Compassionate and Merciful to the people.

40:05 The people of Noah and other groups after them denied Our Signs before these people, and every nation strove to seize their Messenger, and disputed by means of false arguments that they might rebut the truth thereby. Then I seized them, and how terrible was My retribution!

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Peace sharaabee

This is the first time I have really been in this thread ... and I have noticed about three discussions taking place - one of them is yours ... :)

I like this question ... I find it presumptuous though ... Why? Well because it supposes that Allah (SWT) wants to communicate to us like in such a desperate way that Allah (SWT) will use the most effective means to communicate to us ... Rather you should be asking the other question - "Why has Allah (SWT) utilised such a subtle way of showing us that He exists"?

Well that answer is quite easy ... It is because He wants to see which of us will:

a) Search for Him - having seen in our hearts the desire and need for a Creator
b) Follow His servants out of faith rather than conviction

This life is a test of faith - it is not Allah (SWT) trying to access us in any way - He is needless of us whereas we need Him ... It is His Mercy to us that He sent us messengers to help us develop a faith in Him ... Look the angels and heavenly creatures see Allah (SWT) and they have no choice but to worship Him - But when He Creates a creature that has the ability not to worship God - like us - then He wants to show Creation the idea that:

a) He is indeed needless of worship since we are capable of not worshiping Him
b) We are also capable of worshiping Him through no solid proof of His existence but through faith

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^ So he's just messing with us really.
I dont understand this "let me test you" theory. Im gonna give you subtle hints and then I'll see which ones of you break the code and follow the "right path". And if yall dont, then burn in hell!!
Sounds like a sick game to me.
I reallly hope that the creator isnt like that at all.

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Peace again sharaabee

Sounds like a sick game? Now let's analyse this ... first of all why does is sound like a sick game? Most certainly it is because you are trying to assume the position of God with the same impurities of your own human mind. One cannot cast our standards on to God ... That is self-deception. Next, we should think that if it is indeed the conclusion that we arrive at, that this life is a test then it is futile trying to rationalise it as something like a game or not ... for on that basis why do we seek success in this life? Why do we seek pleasure? Are we playing games with ourselves? And if we do other than what we are here to do - then for sure we are not going to end up in a place which is in our benefit. So sick game or not - it is in our favour to comply with the law of God and it is not an excuse to do otherwise because we think it is a game. Next, we look to the moral sense of accountability within us - if some human does us a favour then we feel it necessary to thank them ... so how much more crucial is it for us to thank The One Who gave us life and sustains us in every moment? Next, we don't have to understand something in order to comply. It is a big misnoma that we aught to understand something in order to practice it ... and this standard is most zealously applied to religion ... Next, how else should a Creator be?

Let's say that we want a Creator to create us without a purpose - well then in that case we can each create our own purpose after the fact and annihilate one another - because that is what will happen ... We in turn should not have a sense of right and wrong and we will be like animals and hence we will not even ask the question about what our purpose is ... I think it would be a sicker game that God gave us the ability to recognise our own selves and contain moral motive yet not provide us any purpose - I find that more like a game that we have no purpose but God made us in a way where we think we do have a purpose ... And if we are not Created with a purpose then we are not important and if we are not important then how will this be taken by you - who considers yourself so important that you feel God's plan for us is insufficient ... We are left with a contradiction that we are so important that we believe God didn't give us any importance ...

I really hope that you see the alternative of not having a purpose to worship God betrays our sense of reason ... whereas the former betrays only your sense of immediate self worth .... you want to be left alone, but you fail to realise that all these bounties are given to you by The One ... God.

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hahahah fluffmaster!!!!!!

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Puttar jee, take my advice, don’t spend all weekend wasting your precious gyaan on the fluffmaster any more. You’ll find nothing but illogical discussions about an imaginary friend in the religion forum. :cb:

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This is an ad hominem - the use of ridicule to fend off an argument - Your statement regarding the "sick game of God" - is merely an excuse that your mind has created to convince itself of the stance it takes through denial of God ... If you believe in God then it matters not how your creation concerns Him ... we simply love and obey ...

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@sharaabee,

This is a related question to the reference to "Sick game".

Have you graduated from or currently attending high school/college/university?

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I mean no offense, but you are implying that you believe in spite of logical inconsistencies and a lack of proof. You may "feel" God, but how are you to know if this is not something like the placebo effect? You "feel" God because you've been told your whole life He exists and the thought gives you comfort, so you have convinced yourself that it's true.

And the proof of burden lies with the claimant. If I were to say that there is a flying bowl of spaghetti around Saturn, it would be up to me to prove it. Despite all that, I'm not saying there is no creator. I'm saying that since religions have no proof, adherents of religion should either avoid religious debates (because otherwise it just comes down to, because I told you so), or admit that they believe in spite of logic or proof, and show some acceptance of those who can't simply believe because they've been told to.