1- Effective communication tool is "The Holy Qur'an"
2- He is all empowerment.
3- No because HE know Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).
4- The Book 'Qur'an proved the miracles' yet pplz afraid to accept Islam. :)
I disagree that a book is the most effective communication tool. It leads to massive misinterpretations. There are religious books by many cultures and many religions. Plus there is no verification or actual proof of the autenticity of claims made by any of these books. In any case, why pick out one guy secretly and reveal stuff to him in secret, and then ask him to go tell everyone using this book. Dont be so shy.
Irrelevant comment.
Seems more like an excuse than an actual reason.
Books prove nothing. Books only tell stories. And many stories from all religious books seem nothing but fairytale stories to me.. attempting to impart good vs bad values to readers.
There is not much logic in non religion either , if there was a last and final argument against the existence of God and there were a long line to see it I would be the first one in that line.
Firmly believing that there is absolutely no controller of the universe is probably not very logical either. But I figure its more logical than believing some of the insane stories told by Islam, Hinduism, Christianity etc etc etc.
Just FYI, I do not belong to the first category either.
I don't know what u r trying to prove here. If u were given ur b'day cake and told to place it at the center of the table, will u gonna place it there or going to argue that there is no such thing as the center of the table b'coz its all manmade?
'Center' I'm saying in sense that where u place or see a thing from all different angles. Like if u go to any country and see the 'moon' or 'sun' from any angel u'll find it ???? where??? of'coz in 'Center'. Similarly, the 'Kaaba' can be seen always in center no matter in which country ur and that is why 'Arab Country' were choosen as a 'center point'.
I think Mirch got my point but you havent. You claimed that Arabia is the center of the planet as we see on a world map. What I am trying to tell you is that WE created the map of the world (not the owner and operator of this universe) in the currently accepted orientation. You can make various maps with various center of the earths an they will all be accurate. Just twist the globe, every point on the equator can be termed as the center. Arabia isn't even on the equator.
A table is rectangular, there is a set center point. The world is spherical. From every different angle/rotation, you will have a new center point. This really isnt rocket science.
So sharaabee you agree that world is spherical. That is explained by many Muslim interpreters that the earth is spherical. Not only by Muslim but also by Sir Francis Darake, who was the first person who proved that the by sailing around it in bacik in 1597.
Day slowly and gradually changes to night and vice-versa. This phenomenon can only take place if the earth is spherical. If the eart was flat, there would been a sudden changes from night to day and from day to night. This mentioned in the book Qur'an, not today but since it was revealed i.e. 1400 century ago. The Arabic word used in 'Kawwara' means 'to overlap' or 'to coil'. Means the way a turban is wound around the head. The overlapping or coiling of the day and night can only take place if the world (earth) is spherical.
Is this fact for you is like a fairytale? Is so than I agree with LKK what he said "3- No because HE know Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).".
Firmly believing that there is absolutely no controller of the universe is probably not very logical either. But I figure its more logical than believing some of the insane stories told by Islam, Hinduism, Christianity etc etc etc.
Just FYI, I do not belong to the first category either.
Firmly believing that a car can come into existence out of nowhere without a creator is not much logical either. If someone tell you that I was standing in a desert hungry and thirsty and I saw that a fig tree grew out of nowhere , a water stream started to flow under it I filled my stomach with those aromatic , good tasting figs and quenched my thirst with that water. You will declare that guy insane.
Similarly if someone says I was going on a camel in the desert my camel died all of sudden and I was devastated. But lo and behold a shiny new BMW appeared from nowhere , its tank was full a key was in ignition , I sat in the car and drove off to safety and comfort of nearby town. This guy is obviously lying because it is against the logic. Right ?
So if someone tells me that this whole big universe appeared out of nowhere I declare that person insane and his/her stance against common logic.
So how come I believe that there is a creator and nobody created that creator , right ?
Here logic goes out the door and belief comes into picture. Why I have that belief , because it provides solace to my soul when I am restless, it gives me sanity to explain the unexplained , it gives me comfort when I am sad thinking there is someone watching over me, it calms down my stress when I feel that I am alone to deal with my problems.
I hope you will not call having a belief against logic insane , will you ?
I disagree that a book is the most effective communication tool. It leads to massive misinterpretations. There are religious books by many cultures and many religions. Plus there is no verification or actual proof of the autenticity of claims made by any of these books. In any case, why pick out one guy secretly and reveal stuff to him in secret, and then ask him to go tell everyone using this book. Dont be so shy.
Irrelevant comment.
Seems more like an excuse than an actual reason.
Books prove nothing. Books only tell stories. And many stories from all religious books seem nothing but fairytale stories to me.. attempting to impart good vs bad values to readers.
I wonder since when u started care about misinterpretations. Seems ur argues r just sake of arguments.
. attempting to impart good vs bad values to readers.
What is so wrong about imparting good values vs bad ?
We all learn life lessons from stores , told by books or our elders , so if God/Allah(SWT) did it keeping the psyche of humans , what is objectionable about it ?
Firmly believing that a car can come into existence out of nowhere without a creator is not much logical either. If someone tell you that I was standing in a desert hungry and thirsty and I saw that a fig tree grew out of nowhere , a water stream started to flow under it I filled my stomach with those aromatic , good tasting figs and quenched my thirst with that water. You will declare that guy insane.
Similarly if someone says I was going on a camel in the desert my camel died all of sudden and I was devastated. But lo and behold a shiny new BMW appeared from nowhere , its tank was full a key was in ignition , I sat in the car and drove off to safety and comfort of nearby town. This guy is obviously lying because it is against the logic. Right ?
So if someone tells me that this whole big universe appeared out of nowhere I declare that person insane and his/her stance against common logic.
So how come I believe that there is a creator and nobody created that creator , right ?
Here logic goes out the door and belief comes into picture. Why I have that belief ,** because it provides solace to my soul when I am restless, it gives me sanity to explain the unexplained , it gives me comfort when I am sad thinking there is someone watching over me, it calms down my stress when I feel that I am alone to deal with my problems.**
I hope you will not call having a belief against logic insane , will you ?
Great points Mirch.
I said in my last post that I do NOT belong to the category of people who firmly believe there is no creator.
The bolded part of your post is golden. That's the primary reason why people get religious or stay religious. Its comforting to know there is a purpose, there is a pattern, etc etc. The only thing I'd like to add that.. this need of seeking a pattern or a purpose.. should not translate to blindly believing fairytale stories from the past which were propagated for this reason alone back in the day + as a way to control/influence the masses.
Be spiritual if that helps you. But I think there is no need to be so ritual and believe everything literally, especially when it gets political and gets down to discriminating or putting down beliefs of other people who just happened to be born in another culture and follow a different belief system to get the same thing as you are trying to get..comfort..solace..and peace.
What is so wrong about imparting good values vs bad ?
We all learn life lessons from stores , told by books or our elders , so if God/Allah(SWT) did it keeping the psyche of humans , what is objectionable about it ?
Objectionable to me is when it gets political, when it invades every aspect of our life which doesnt need invasion, when it stops societies from adapting to changing times, and when it causes rifts between different belief systems.
If too many people literally start believing these stories that are just meant to impart good values..it causes rigidity and just a big bowl of waste of time.. look at the number of "is this halal? is that halaal" threads.
But I think there is no need to be so ritual and believe everything literally, especially when it gets political and gets down to discriminating or putting down beliefs of other people who just happened to be born in another culture and follow a different belief system to get the same thing as you are trying to get..comfort..solace..and peace.
I agree to that 100 percent that is why you will see the sofis of Islam loved everybody and anybody and were able to influence more people than the crusaders of Islam.
Allah swt does mention in the Quran that prophets were sent in every nation:
“We had sent messengers before you. Among them there are those whose history We have narrated to you, and of them there are those whose history We did not narrate to you”. Quran 40:78
“And verily We have raised in every nation a messenger, (proclaiming): Serve Allah and shun false gods. Then some of them (there were) whom Allah guided, and some of them (there were) upon whom error had just hold”. Quran 16:36
This verse may explain why certain prophets are so celebrated in the Quran:
“Allah did choose Adam and Noah the family of Abraham, and the family of Imran above all people.” Quran 3:33
And finally, Hazrat Muhammad saw, was a messenger for all of mankind and the Quran is a guidance for the whole of mankind despite the fact that it was revealed in Arabia to an arab prophet.
Allah swt does mention in the Quran that prophets were sent in every nation:
"We had sent messengers before you. Among them there are those whose history We have narrated to you, and of them there are those whose history We did not narrate to you". Quran 40:78
"And verily We have raised in every nation a messenger, (proclaiming): Serve Allah and shun false gods. Then some of them (there were) whom Allah guided, and some of them (there were) upon whom error had just hold". Quran 16:36
This verse may explain why certain prophets are so celebrated in the Quran:
"Allah did choose Adam and Noah the family of Abraham, and the family of Imran above all people." Quran 3:33
And finally, Hazrat Muhammad saw, was a messenger for all of mankind and the Quran is a guidance for the whole of mankind despite the fact that it was revealed in Arabia to an arab prophet.
But at the same time Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) became prophet also last 3 prophets before him(SAW) came, the people of India , Japan , China had bigger population and needed the guidance too because they were mushrik too on top of that they did not believe in Allah(SWT) at least people of Arabia believed Allah(SWT) although they were mushrik too. So people of Japan , China and India also in need of guidance at the same time .
Wouldn't it be because the believers were advised to do dawah to the non-believers? It was their responsibility to spread the message that they understood. This is exactly how Islam spread to India, Japan and whatnot.
Allah chahta tau kya nahin ho sakta tha. He could've just not allowed people to go astray in the first place instead of sending prophets after prophets to lead them back to the right path. Instead of giving us the responsibility of dawah, He could've just spread the message Himself or asked His angels to speak to all of us. That way, Allah chahta tau Islam could have spread worldwide from day one. So why did it take tens of prophets and centuries upon centuries, until Hazrat Muhammad saw's time, for Islam to spread far and beyond Arabia? Allah knows best. All a part of His scheme of things. My limited mind doesn't allow me to come up with a perfectly logical explanation. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable will be able to answer your question better.
History tells us that the house of Almighty Allah (Khana Ka’aba) is right under the Bait Al-Ma’amor (House of Angels) which is under the Throne of Almighty Allah. First House of Allah (Ka’aba) was built by Angels, Than by Hazrat Adam as. which was demolished becuase of storm of Hazrat Noah as. Again Ka’aba re-builted by Hazrat Ibrahim & Hazrat Ismail a.s. and the last renovation of Ka’aba is done by Hajaj bin Yousif. Prophet Muhammad birth was after 500 years of Hazrat Noah a.s. That time there were no boundries like today we see every country have its own landmark and territories. The Sahaba r.a. preached Islam by visiting different nationas living in shape of small villages. Once the delivered the message, they appoint one “Amir” among of them and proceed to next village.
I don’t have my notes with me so i’ll stop here. Will answer to this in details
if one believes in islam, then there isn't much to discuss. if one is willing to look at the point of view of others besides muslims as well on this idea of prophets, most parts of the world have their own indigenous belief systems, most don't involve prophets.
Peace queer,
This is not only about knowing the POV of others but a message for those believers in Islam, who strayed by blindly following their forefather. However, this message of worshipping one deity can be used to explain those who have their own indignous belief system.
I disagree to the bold statement. Although I dont have a good grasp to history but this doesnt sound right. Hazrat Noah(as) came before Hazrat Ibrahim (as). From Ibrahim(as)'s generation came Muhammad PBUH( from Ismail(as) ). Hazrat Isa(as) is from the generation of Ishaaq(as), son of Ibrahim(as) as well. We know that the time difference between Isa(as) and Muhammad PBUH is about 600 years. Therefore, the time difference between Muhamamd pbuh and Noah(as) should be well above 5000 years, if not more. Since Noah(as) came even before Ibrahim (as).
lol @ he didnt send his messengers to the most populated countries because he wanted the first muslims to go and do it.
why so much outsourcing! why so much confusion! why so much drama!
birth was after 500 years of Hazrat Noah a.s. That time there were no boundries like today we see every country have its own landmark and territories. The Sahaba r.a. preached Islam by visiting different nationas living in shape of small villages. Once the delivered the message, they appoint one “Amir” among of them and proceed to next village.