Moona, u have no clue do u? Chalo, koi baat nahin. Complex hi sahi. If u r happy, I am happy. 
THE LAST BASTION OF FOOLS,PATRIOTISM,THE LAST DEFENCE OF ALL SCOUNDRELS
iTS THE sanghi IN iNDIA WHO YELL JUST LIKE mOONA & rAJPUT
ACTUALLY ITS THE HINDU INFLUENCE ON THE PUNJABIS THAT MAKES THEM LIKE SANGHI 
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Punjabi Kurri if by chance you dont call yourself by this ethnic name do you think you will be LESS in some respect.WHAT IS THE DEAL
I know we all are proud of our ancestors but no body wears on its sleeve .LikeNaqshbandi any body can be ,like jammate islami deobandi bareilvi or anything …
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I know we all are proud of our ancestors but no body wears on its sleeve .LikeNaqshbandi any body can be ,like jammate islami deobandi bareilvi or anything ......
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And that is your excuse for identifying yourself with a group to the exclusion of all others? Why don't you use your name or a nickname will that make you as you say "LESS in some respect"???
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And that is your excuse for identifying yourself with a group to the exclusion of all others? Why don't you use your name or a nickname will that make you as you say "LESS in some respect"???
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Mufakkar no point in arguing with this guy...this guy is a gone case, thats why I'd rather ignore his word pollution :)
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And that is your excuse for identifying yourself with a group to the exclusion of all others? Why don't you use your name or a nickname will that make you as you say "LESS in some respect"???
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i stepped on yopurPunjabi Toe ...looks like EVERY BODY is Punjabi in Pakistan & Here on Gupp Shup
If i really were a Punjabi i would kill myself from Stalenes such commonthing ...
My wish is one day Punjabis willl be Pakistani & remain punjabi only at home .
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OOOOPs Sorry Mufakkar ( in our regionthat means Mothe Fk.eer )i stepped on yopurPunjabi Toe ...looks like EVERY BODY is Punjabi in Pakistan & Here on Gupp Shup
If i really were a Punjabi i would kill myself from Stalenes such commonthing ...
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Seems like the Oedipus complex is reaching epidemic proportions in India. Well have fun fantasizing about your "Mothe" whatever that is. I am sure he/she/it will be flattered by such attentions. But seriously, I don't recall mentioning whether I am Punjabi so why would you assume that? Don't have anything useful to say? Go ask your "Mothe", he/she/it will satisfy you I am sure.
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My wish is one day Punjabis willl be Pakistani & remain punjabi only at home .
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That is my wish too....now if only the people in East Punjab would only listen. Maybe your "Mothe" can convince them.
I asked you to define some words and terms (that you use against others every now and then) before we could move on… Tell you what, I do not like to run around in circles with you, so please define those terms so that I can show you how you yourself do certain things that you hate, when others do them.
And you did not refer to my comments point by point either, you chose some and ignored many…
Let me remind you of something you said earlier:
Yes I am identified as a son of Adam (AS) (race), as a Muslim (religion), and as a Pakistani (nationality). Do not compare this with your “caste system”! Let me repeat myself, there is no caste system in Islam, I wonder where did you get this “Islamicized version of the caste system” from! And by the way, since you mentioned that “there are many differences between the Islamicized version and the Hindu one”, be honest to yourself and compare the practices of the Hindu Rajputs, the Sikh Rajputs and the “so called Muslim” Rajputs, you’ll find very little difference in what they all practice.
Muslim recorded that Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah said, (Verily, Allah does not look at your shapes or wealth, but he looks at your hearts and actions.) Ibn Majah also collected this Hadith.
Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Abdullah bin Umar said, "On the day Makkah was conquered, the Messenger of Allah said, after thanking Allah the Exalted and praising Him as He should be praised, (O people! Allah the Exalted has removed from you the slogans of Jahiliyyah and its tradition of honoring forefathers. Men are of two types, a man who is righteous, fearful of Allah and honorable to Allah, or a man who is vicious, miserable and little to Allah the Exalted. Verily, Allah the Exalted and Most Honored said, (O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honorable of you with Allah is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa. Verily, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware.)) (I say this and invoke Allah for forgiveness for me and for you.)‘’ This was recorded by `Abd bin Humayd.
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=49&tid=49891
RF These are your words...
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"for me to be characterizing everyone because of the actions of a certain individual is just plain wrong."
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"I simply refuse to take the blame for their deeds nor do I want to see an entire province maligned."
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Howcome you do not apply the same standards when it comes to some good actions that a certain Punjabi individual did? When it comes to a good action by a certain Punjabi individual, don't you then characterize all Punjabis "because of the actions of a certain individual"? Why isn't this "just plain wrong" for you?
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**They don't see Pakistan means La Ilaha IllAllah, and since "practicing Islam" properly was the main reason for their decision to migrate to Pakistan, they do believe that partition should not have occurred.*
I respect their beliefs, but you know what? Partition could be undone for them if they move back to India! Simple as that, pack your bags and leave if you are a traitor to Pakistan calling for the end of the nation. Hey no point in crying about it once you cross the line of going against
my watan. Most people would rather work to solve their issues with the nation, but hey if they feel that Pakistan is not for them, then by all means go! Being Pakistani is a privilage..
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Now there is a big difference in saying this that "the partition should not have occured" and saying this "that partition should be undone", please tell me how you can see both of them having the same meaning? Traitors to Pakistan are those who facilitated the creation of Bangladesh, traitors to Islam and Pakistan are those who want to practice the caste system under the banner of Islam.
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**Ofcourse you don't think there is ANYTHING wrong with you exploring or trying to get information on the Awans and/or Aryans, etc.,... but the vast majority of Muslims who migrated to Pakistan have a different view. There is no caste system in Islam. This is why I posted those posts of yours, you may believe that they remotely relate to the topic, but those posts show us how you want to relate the Aryan race with the caucasian race... *
Atleast Moona's trying to learn about her heritage unlike some other who would live in their fantasy worlds of lies. How about you tell us where your heritage is from? It's very it criticize others but put yourself on the line and we'll see..
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What? Practicing Islam, without ifs and buts is like living in a fantasy world of lies?? Is that what you are saying or did I misunderstand you?
Unlike you, I don't believe in "ascribed status": "A status assigned at birth. Social standing or prestige which is the result of inheritance or hereditary factors."
Just because my father was a fierce warrior doesn't mean that I and my kids should and would be fierce warriors also...
How is it possible that only Rajput's can be fierce warriors and others can't? If this is not racism then, what is racism?
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Oh I am sorry you are so damn wrong about the "vast majority of muslims having a different view"
because the majority of Muslims migrating to Pakistan were East Punjabis, who are well integrated (I am proud to say) in Pakistan and not complaining like you claim.
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You know the meaning of "context" right? Well I was responding to Moona's post, remember? Anyways since I was responding to Moona's post, I used the "vast majority of Muslims" not because I wanted to use it, but because Moona said this in her post that "In MY experience, a vast majority of mohajir and Indian muslims I've ever met are hung-ho advocates of the idea that Partition should never have occurred, plus they are quite anti-Pakistan in their views". Now Moona used the word Mohajir that means "those who migrated" right? In other words Moona meant "a vast majority of those who migrated and Indian Muslims", lets take another look at what Moona meant, "a vast majority of those Muslims that migrated and Indian Muslims", she is referring to a vast majority of Muslim Mohajirs, in other words she is referring to "a vast majority of Muslims that migrated" now I was only responding to what Moona said and through out my response I was referring to the people whom Moona referred to, so its Moona who is "so damn wrong" not me! And now let's take a look at what both of you said:
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"In MY experience, a vast majority of mohajir and Indian muslims I've ever met are hung-ho advocates of the idea that Partition should never have occurred, plus they are quite anti-Pakistan in their views".
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Oh I am sorry you are so damn wrong about the "vast majority of muslims having a different view" because the majority of Muslims migrating to Pakistan were East Punjabis, who are well integrated (I am proud to say) in Pakistan and not complaining like you claim.
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In her post Moona is referring to Muslims, both Indian Muslims and Mohajir Muslims, she is emphasizing on the fact that it is the Muslims, Indian Muslims and Mohajir Muslims (not East Punjabis) who think that Partition should not have occured, and you support it further by saying that those who migrated to Pakistan from East Punjab are well integrated in Pakistan, now it is very much clear that what you are referring to as Pakistan is actually the "Islamicized version of the caste-system" to which those who migrated from East Punjab are well integrated.
Majority of the Muslims (not the so called Muslims) that migrated to Pakistan are of the firm belief that the caste system has nothing to do with Islam, unlike you who are of the belief that there is an "Islamicized version of the Caste system." The Muslims had a problem with Hindus and wanted a seperate homeland for Muslims where they could practice Islam, and now the Muslims of Pakistan are having a bigger problem with the people of Pakistan who claim to be Muslims but are infact practicing the "Islamicized version" of their non-Muslim fore-father's Caste System.
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Let me remind you that the Pakistan Movement may have had the core support from the Indian Muslim but without the Muslims of the Northwest there would be no Pakistan. And you know what? The leadership was pure Pakistani as well. From the Quaid of Sindh, Choudary Rehmat Ali of
Punjab, Allama Iqbal of Kashmir. Even Liaquat Ali Khan was an East Punjabi, not to mention Fazle Haq of Bengal, Abdur Rab Nishtar of Sarhad.
TRY denying their role :)
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Let me remind you of something you may have forgot...
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Clearly Pakistan's history and creation attests to the vital role of Urdu speakers.
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Now where did you get this from? Since when are the members of the Muslim League moona's fore-fathers? And what are you trying to prove? I was referring to the people (Moona's and your fore fathers) who practiced the caste-system, the people who were in love with Punjabiyat, the people who were proud of being mercenaries serving the British Army, the people who were members of the Punjab Unionist Party and those who supported it, it was these people who were against the partition I wonder why you are bringing up the names of Muslims who wanted a seperate homeland for the Muslims of India,
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"interesting to see that it comes from a person who never misses an opportunity to accuse others for twisting words"
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By the way, since you've brought this issue of, being Pakistani up by saying that Quaid was a Sindhi, Choudhry Rehmat Ali was a Punjabi, Allama Iqbal was a Kashmiri, Even NAWABZADA Liaquat Ali Khan was an East Punjabi, Fazle Haq of Bengal, Abdur Rab Nishtar of Sarhad, I want you to tell me what was common in all of them? Language? Race? Land? Ethnicity? Heritage? Caste? except for their religion, tell me what was common in all of them? How many of them were so proud of their heritage as a Punjabi, Sindhi, Pathan, Kashmiri, Bengali, etc. when compared with you and your fore father's?
They all wanted a Muslim state for the Muslims, but today all those people who want to fulfill the dream of the leaders of Pakistan by having a Muslim State ruled by Muslims regardless of their background a state where Islam can be practiced completely are called traitors but those who want to practice the beliefs and traditions of their non-Muslim forefathers and say that there is an Islamicized version of the Caste System are called patriotic Pakistanis.
Nawabzada Liaquat Ali Khan, the second son of Nawab Rustam Ali Khan, was born on October 1, 1896 in a Madal Pathan (Nausherwan) family. On October 16, 1951, when Liaquat was expected to make some important announcement in a public meeting at Municipal Park, Rawalpindi, he was assassinated by Saad Akbar. The murderer was immediately shot dead by the security people and thus the clue to the real culprit was removed forever.
What %age of the population is Rajput in Rawalpindi?
Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah was born at Karachi on December 25, 1876. His father, Jinnah Poonja, belonged to a prosperous business community, Isma’ili Khojas of Kathiawar.
KATHIAWAR, or KATTYWAR, a peninsula of India, within the Gujarat division of Bombay, giving its name to a political agency.
Allama Iqbal, a great poet-philosopher and an active political leader was born in 1873, in Sialkot in the Punjab. He descended from a family of Kashmiri Brahmins, who had embraced Islam about three hundred years earlier.
You mentioned that “Quaid was a Sindhi” right? Because he was born in Sindh… You also mentioned that “Liaquat Ali Khan was an East Punjabi” right? Because he was born there, ofcourse… You also mentioned that “Allama Iqbal was a Kashmiri” right? Even though he was born in Sialkot, Punjab.
What is the standard that you are using? What is it that makes a person Sindhi?
Anyways here are parts of the Speech of Liaquat Ali Khan On Objectives Resolution
WHEREAS sovereignty over the entire universe belongs to God Almighty alone and the authority which He has delegated to the State of Pakistan through its people for being exercised within the limit prescribed by Him is a sacred trust;
WHEREIN the Muslim shall be enabled to order their lives in the individual and collective spheres in accord with the teachings and requirements of Islam as set out in the Holy Quran and the Sunna;
Pakistan was founded because the Muslims of this sub-continent wanted to build up their lives in accordance with the teachings and traditions of Islam, because they wanted to demonstrate to the world that Islam provides a panacea to the many diseases which have crept into the life of humanity today.
But we, the people of Pakistan, have the courage to believe firmly that all authority should be exercised in accordance with the standards laid down by Islam so that it may not be misused. All **authority is a sacred trust, entrusted to us by God for the purpose of being exercised in the service of man, so that it does not become an agency for tyranny or selfishness. **
When we use the word democracy in the Islamic sense, it pervades all aspects of our life; it relates to our system of Government and to our society with equal validity, because one of the greatest contributions of Islam has been the idea of** the equality of all men. Islam recognizes, no distinctions based upon race, colour or birth.**
The next clause of the Resolution lays down that Muslims shall be enabled to order their lives in the individual and collective spheres **in accord with the teachings and requirements of Islam as set out in the Holy Quran and the Sunna. **
In March 1940 the great decision was formally made. At a session in Lahore, in a resolution moved byFazlul Huq, the League said it would accept nothing short of “separate and sovereign Muslim states, comprising geographically contiguous units… in which the Muslims are numerically in a majority, as in the North-Western and Eastern zones of India.” At Lahore Jinnah declared that Hindus and Muslims could “never evolve a common nationality,” and that “to yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to… final destruction of any fabric [of] government of such a state.” Asked what he would do** if he did not succeed in obtaining a Muslim state, Jinnah replied, “I will give my life to achieve it.”** “Prolonged cheering almost drowned” this sentence, the Times of London reported.
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Ok many things, charges have been made against Punjabis, but has anyone presented actual proof? Nope.
Different likes twist words and play with context to misrepresent our words.
Imdad's Punjabi-phobia translates into blaming all that is wrong with Pakistan to be the fault of Punjabis.
Moona and Punjabi Kuri, you have not said or done anything wrong, instead it is these racists that are coming with insecurities and chips on their shoulders. These people see red when anyone actually defends Punjabis, probably because very few Punjabis actually step up to defend their province. Even this thread, people have not insulted anyone but Punjabis-- Pakistan's favorite punching bags. I am proud of my province, my heritage and most of all my country, Pakistan.
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I responded with this post
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List the charges, and I will present actual proof.
Before we move on, I need your definitions on:
mudslinging
racist
hypocrite
double-standards
ethno-centric
narrow-minded
stereotype
bias
discrimination
pride
Its important because I have noticed you pointing others for doing something that you often do yourself, I just wanted to make sure that your definitions are similar to everyone else's definitions.
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And you responded with this...
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**List the charges, and I will present actual proof.*
Now why would I make your job easier? List the problems you have and supply the proof yourself, the burden is not on me to prove anyhthing.
Its important because I have noticed you pointing others for doing something that you often do yourself, I just wanted to make sure that your definitions are similar to everyone else's definitions.
I have not insulted any Pakistani group or religion. I have had my differences with many people but I have not expanded them to insult an entire group of people. Find me one message where I have insulted entire groups of Pakistanis? i am proud of who I am and you have no right whatsoever to criticize me on that as long as I am not putting down others.
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You said:
Ok many things, charges have been made against Punjabis, but has anyone presented actual proof? Nope.
I said:
List the charges, and I will present actual proof.
You said:
Now why would I make your job easier? List the problems you have and supply the proof yourself, the burden is not on me to prove anyhthing.
I said:
Before we move on, I need your definitions on:
mudslinging
racist
hypocrite
double-standards
ethno-centric
narrow-minded
stereotype
bias
discrimination
pride
Its important because I have noticed you pointing others for doing something that you often do yourself, I just wanted to make sure that your definitions are similar to everyone else's definitions.
You say:
I have not insulted any Pakistani group or religion. I have had my differences with many people but I have not expanded them to insult an entire group of people. Find me one message where I have insulted entire groups of Pakistanis? i am proud of who I am and you have no right whatsoever to criticize me on that as long as I am not putting down others.
Did I say this that "you have insulted any Pakistani group or religion"? If not then why did you have to include this? I simply gave you a list to define, once you do that then I will show you where you have done what and to whom. First things first, define every word in that list and we move on from there...
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I just wish that everyone living in pakistan are proud to be just pakistani.
It hurts to see ppl calling themselves only muhajirs/punjabies bla bla bla
very bad 