Punjabi

[Najim]

Re: Punjabi

Now how many of you speak like,

Dabbann miya aagay barhay aur bari garam-joshi say musahifah kia magar hazoor nay bari fasahato balaghar say kaam liya aur khamoshi ikhtiyaar rakhi, go keh ham mausoof barabar hama tan gosh tay?

I bet, none of you. But this is real Urdu, today's Urdu is 50% punjabi.

[AQ]

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^
@50% punjabi…

sarkaar, aap naY tau intehaai tajaahul-e-aarifana saY kaam liyaa warnaa iss khand-e-mukarrar kee nobat chandaaN naa paRti

[being_lonely]

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@Anwaar Qureshi

Punjabi is a language of lively people.... That should suffice than any other talks :)

merA vOtE tuWaday HaQ vicH !!! :)

[Iconoclast]

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^Mera vi

[Miss_Mohabbat]

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I havnt read all replies, but I agree with Phats and not just because she writes in Pink.

As a child I thought Urdu was only for 'posh' people and everyone in Pakistan only spoke Punjabi! :D We were taught Punjabi from day one, learnt English once at school. My daddi is very very patriotic about being Punjabi and to tell you the truth, I didnt know about the negative stereotypes about Punjabis until Gupshup.

Ignore them or my daddi jaan would say Khasma nu ka to all the urdus. :p

[phatima]

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@Fraudz

so phati, its a punjabi ppl issue right, cuz like urdu speakers dont have to give preference to urdu, thats what they speak.

Well, being that this is a Pakistani forum, let’s discuss the issue regarding all Pakistanis. The issue is that people tend to think that Punjabi is improper and some even go to the extent to say that it is “badtameez”.

Code_Red - I salute the Sikhs, too. …for their strong sense of culture and roots.

ahmadjee - LOL yea but I bet the majority of the kids that listen to bhangra nowadays don’t even fully understand (myself included )

[Lucid_Chaotic]

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I’m kinda tired of the proliferation of prejudices among language groups… why is this so common in the subcontinent? we should respect both Urdu and Punjabi for their individual form and nuances.

I can relate strongly with Phatima’s account for the most part… I was brought up in a home where we spoke Urdu even though my parents communicated aplenty with friends and family in Punjabi… the outcome… while I can understand Punjabi for the most part, my speech abilities are quite frail. This phenomenon is by and large attributed to Pakistani Punjabis… we tend to have a very dismissive and often derogatory attitude towards our own language. In contrast, if you were to talk to a Sikh person who was brought up in the West, he/she’d probably be able to speak perfect Punjabi.

Also, I find this whole Punjabi being “the language of the paindoos” a very problematic premise… its really a catch 22 situation. I personally find that the educated class of Punjabis are the most antagonistic to the language itself. As soon as someone in the family acquires the most basic level of academic advancement, the first thing they do is abandon their language in the name of "civility"… so the only uninhibited population of Punjabi speakers who remain are the ones from rural areas. So it’s a vicious circle.

For those who dismiss Punjabi as an “informal” language, I’m no expert, but when I read Baba Farid, Bahauddin Zakaria, Shah Hussain, Bulleh Shah and Waris Shah… and when I read an immortal romantic epic like Heer Ranjha… I feel that the language should at least be credited for its rich poetical traditions… both sufi and romantic.

[kazi]

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@Miss_Mohabbat

I havnt read all replies, but I agree with Phats and not just because she writes in Pink.

As a child I thought Urdu was only for ‘posh’ people and everyone in Pakistan only spoke Punjabi! We were taught Punjabi from day one, learnt English once at school. My daddi is very very patriotic about being Punjabi and to tell you the truth, I didnt know about the negative stereotypes about Punjabis until Gupshup.

Ignore them or my daddi jaan would say Khasma nu ka to all the urdus.

she just loves a bit of controversy!

[Cheegum]

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Whatevers been said about punjabi in this thread. Applies to all other ethnic languages of Pakistan. People have this inferiority complex that their own language is backwards and kids should learn the languague of the times. People in pakistan abandon their mother tongues (sindhi punjabi balochi pukhto siraiki) to teach their kids Urdu because thats the language of the times.

In the west then parents abandon urdu and try to teach their kids english. Only talk to them in english.. to the point where they can only understand urdu but their everyday conversation and life is in english.

Drop the inferiority complex people. Be proud of who you are.
Represent!!!

(and stop fkin talking to your kids in english it makes me sick)

[Cool_Breeze]

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^^
very true.
I agree with you.

[Miss_Mohabbat]

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@kazi

she just loves a bit of controversy!

Teh fer? Tenu ki? Ja nau doh yara ho

I jest…it’s punjani innit. Take it like a sardaarji.

[nstar777]

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[quote=Najim]
Now how many of you speak like,

I bet, none of you. But this is real Urdu, today's Urdu is 50% punjabi./quot

Urdu as a language has been evolved from Arabic, persian, sansikrit and Panjabi and the end product is very deep, expressive and beautiful.

[phatima]

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Umar Talib - I completely agree with your post. The most degrading factor to the Punjabi language would be the Punjabis themselves (specifically parents, such as my own, who think that Punjabi is not a decent language =)

Cheegum - Well said :)

[nstar777]

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[quote=Cheegum]
Whatevers been said about punjabi in this thread. Applies to all other ethnic languages of Pakistan. People have this inferiority complex that their own language is backwards and kids should learn the languague of the times. People in pakistan abandon their mother tongues (sindhi punjabi balochi pukhto siraiki) to teach their kids Urdu because thats the language of the times.

In the west then parents abandon urdu and try to teach their kids english. Only talk to them in english.. to the point where they can only understand urdu but their everyday conversation and life is in english.

Drop the inferiority complex people. Be proud of who you are.

Punjabis being the generous people they are, accepted urdu as their national language when Pakistan was created. Being the majority in Pakistan they could have easily imposed Panjabi as the national language. It is not any kind of complex , it is the generousity and open mindedness of panjabis to accept urdu as their national language.

[UZ]

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well i think urdu is my national language and its very mohazzab language also.SO i think even english is not that mohazzab language .Its a respectful language like when you are talking to your elders you start with "aap" and thats the part i like most about urdu.
ANd punjabi is a frank language when u are having fun u can talk in punjabi or i think u can talk in punjabi with ur friends.But it feels weird when u talk with ur mom"oye amma tu kithay hai?" its just not so respectful to talk to elder people in my opinion.
But still i think punjabi is good language as part of punjaab culture and specially "bhulay shah"'s poems are good also.
For me talking to parents or younger people i want to give them some respect so i like to speak in urdu, which gives respect.
(aur sare bure galiyaan punjabi hi se derived hain):CareBear: laraii ke liye bohat achi hai

[phatima]

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I don't have any problem accepting Urdu as the national language of my home country. =\ I don't see how anyone could argue with that because it's just a given fact.

What I do have a problem with is when people (including Punjabis) purposely do not speak Punjabi with their children (even though the parents spoke it with their parents and siblings when they were young). I believe that after a few generations, there will be a LOT less people out there who can actually speak Punjabi.

Once again, props to the Sikhs for keeping it alive.

[phatima]

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@ume-zafeerah

But it feels weird when u talk with ur mom"oye amma tu kithay hai?" its just not so respectful to talk to elder people in my opinion.

This is very disrespectful. But, if one wanted to show proper respect towards an adult or whoever, you can still do so in Punjabi.

i.e. "Amma jee, tussi kithay oe?"

:]

[AQ]

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Urdu was selected as a national language for a very basic fundamental reason often echoed by the leaders, then too:)

I hope you guys are atleast aware of that part of our history:)

[5Abi]

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@phatima1

I don't know why it is, but for some reason, people today like to think that Punjabi is a language that is "improper" and that Urdu is a more decent language to speak.

Those people that say that Punjabi is an imporper language are few and far between. And yeah most of them are here on GS. Hatred for the punjabi people and their culture also leads to hatred for the language. These folks are mostly mutassab parast. (Ask your dad for this words meaning).

@phatima1

My own parents have developed this concept into their minds, which is a shame because they're both pure Punjabis. I say this because they grew up speaking Punjabi with their families and also learned Urdu later. But one thing I noticed (and this is common amongst all my cousins as well) is that neither I nor any of my siblings actually speak in Punjabi. Our parents always spoke to us in Urdu, and so we are not good at speaking Punjabi, but we can understand it for the most part. I once even told my Ammi that I wanted to learn to speak Punjabi and I would speak that instead of Urdu and she said that I should "fix up my Urdu first, and besides, Punjabi isn't a very decent language."

I learnt to speak Punjabi first at home. Because thats the language i heard being spoken as a child. Urdu i learnt at school obviously. To this day I speak punjabi with each and every family member except a few ones in UK who only understand English. Naturally, my parents wanted me to learn Urdu first but i learned Punjabi first, but it wasnt something that they had planned. It just turned out that i learnt punjabi first.

@phatima1

Now, I'm sorry to say, but I don't think any of the upcoming generation in America or even in Pakistan (aside from the pindhaaN) has a good grasp on Punjabi and I'm certain that their children will hardly even know it at all, if they ever even have the chance to hear it. I give credit to all the Sardars in the UK for forming such a strong Punjabi community because there is great influence there and from what I know, Punjabi is very commonly spoking in certain areas there.

Its because those darjis are proud of their culture and language is the main component necessary to preserve one's culture. Like AJ said above, wit the rise in popularity of UK bhangra, even the gujju kids sing and dance to bhangra LOL.

@phatima1

Punjabi is one of the 5 oldest languages of the world. That's pretty amazing and not many people know it. I don't see how a language like Urdu is superior to Punjabi because not only was it developed afterwards, but there are also words in Punjabi that acknowledge the proper respect that should be given to certain people. (For example, instead of saying "tu" for the word "you", one would say "tussi" if they wanted to be more respectful towards someone).

Anyways, I'd just like to know why it is that people have such a negative view of Punjabi.

Urbanized punjabi is different from the ones spoken in rural areas. Go outside of Lahore or Rawalpindi and other major cities and the dialect will change and the language will become harder or harder to understand. This is why why most people raised up in cities cant understand Atta Ulla Khan Niazi's songs cos he speaks in his native mianwali tongue which is a far cry from the lahori punjabi.

Punjabi language in pakistan isnt dying. Maybe in the cities but most of our population lives in rural areas and punjab has the densest population of all provinces.

As a Pakistani, we should all be able to read, write and speak Urdu. Its our national language.

But be proud of your culture and language and your heritage. No language is superior to any other language.

[UZ]

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@phatima1

This is very disrespectful. But, if one wanted to show proper respect towards an adult or whoever, you can still do so in Punjabi.

i.e. “Amma jee, tussi kithay oe?”

:]

well i don’t know much punjabi if u are saying that way then its fine