Re: Punjabi Hindus: forlorn and on the path to extinction
*Yaar, *the fact that Washington Post reported it in 2012 does not make the issue less real.
And I don't see the logic behind "same problem being faced by Muslim population". Are young Muslim girls being 'marked', abducted, raped, and forcibly converted ? Are Muslims facing discrimination and religious persecution ?
The situation for minorities has become grave especially during the past 10 years of the US war, but then it doesnt make it any safer for me being a muslim.
Re: Punjabi Hindus: forlorn and on the path to extinction
The situation for minorities has become grave especially during the past 10 years of the US war, but then it doesnt make it any safer for me being a muslim.
Ali do you have any material for %age of Hindu population in Pakistan after 1971 (as per 1972 / 1981 Census)?
Re: Punjabi Hindus: forlorn and on the path to extinction
This is a really strange conversation. Extinction of Hindus from a region ... What would be the solution? Perhaps, give them towns of their own, build them mandirs, take away their sources of contraception? There are many reasons for the decline of a population and I personally believe it to be a propagation issue more than anything else. Hindus in Pakistan are simply not having enough children to sustain population. It is evident that some will be lost to conversion, but to argue these conversions are forced is dismissing the real issue. The fact is ... There is no Hindu infrastructure there, it is not trendy being Hindu in the Punjab. Should the Pakistanis react to this like we would react to the decline of a panda population? I don't think so. Just as various groups have established themselves in the West, they need to use the same means in Pakistan ... It is up to the Pakistani Hindus to change their situation.
Re: Punjabi Hindus: forlorn and on the path to extinction
Ali do you have any material for %age of Hindu population in Pakistan after 1971 (as per 1972 / 1981 Census)?
I'll try to find something out, but in west Pakistan (as we had in 1951) the minorities are hovering around 3 % since 1951. As far as east Pakistan (Bangladesh) is concerned some Hindus fled during 1971 war, during the past 40 years I am not sure. The Indians shouldn't worry much about minorities in Bangladesh and worry more about their areas bordering bd as most if them have also become Muslim majority. :)
Re: Punjabi Hindus: forlorn and on the path to extinction
I have taken the figures of 1941 census from an Indian website, there were about 23 % non muslims in Pakistani Punjab where as 31 % muslims in Indian Punjab. What happened to the muslims there?
Re: Punjabi Hindus: forlorn and on the path to extinction
If we talk about the total impact of the partition we will have to take account of the migrations in Karachi (although there was no genocide there), Delhi and UP too.
Re: Punjabi Hindus: forlorn and on the path to extinction
I have made some amendments in the table given in the previous post using population data. For 4.18 million non muslims that might have crossed the borders into India, about 5 million muslims crossed the borders towards Pakistan. The population fo Punjab in 1941 was around 34 million and around 10 million crossed over (both sides of the borders) which makes around 30 % of the population.
Re: Punjabi Hindus: forlorn and on the path to extinction
I have not been able to find definitive figures for UP, but in 1941 there were 40 % muslims in urban areas of the state where as 33 % muslims in Delhi, the proportion now has gone down to 30 % for urban UP and 11 % for Delhi. The reduction is due to the migration of people from these areas to urban areas of Sindh especially Karachi and Hyderabad, with the reverse migration an imbalance has been created in Sindh as non muslims were mostly located in urban areas, rural areas were already predominantly muslim.
Re: Punjabi Hindus: forlorn and on the path to extinction
If you had cared to read my previous posts you wouldn't have been asking the same question over and over again, Bangladesh was a part of Pakistan in 1951 and it had more population than the Pakistan we have now. The Hindus in Bangladesh were around 23% which were naturally included as a part of the Pakistan census in 1951, if you remove those Hindus the population in the rest of the country is still where it was in 1951. Read the link of the book by professor Ian talbot that I have posted in post 36.
And the links that I have posted clearly show that BD went from 22% to 9.2% and Pak went from 22% to 1.7%. If your assertion was true, BD would have gone up from 22%. That is obviously not the case here, so I am not sure your assertion is based in facts.
Re: Punjabi Hindus: forlorn and on the path to extinction
The situation for minorities has become grave especially during the past 10 years of the US war, but then it doesnt make it any safer for me being a muslim.
I can agree with the first part, since I know from many Pakistani friends (who are more modern/western in their outlook) that fundamentalism has increased over the last decade and its especially tough for religious minorities.
Re: Punjabi Hindus: forlorn and on the path to extinction
I am not singling out the Sindhi community. I am talking about Pakistan in general.
In that case, you should appreciate the fact that Hindus are at higher positions in Pakistan and few incidents don't prove that Pakistani society as a whole is intolerant towards Hindus. The sentences like - Hindus are not welcomed in their homeland (Pakistan) are totally misleading. We hear about the Hindu-Muslim riots and persecution in various areas of India that doesn't make me say that Muslims are not welcomed in India.
Re: Punjabi Hindus: forlorn and on the path to extinction
In that case, you should appreciate the fact that Hindus are at higher positions in Pakistan and few incidents don't prove that Pakistani society as a whole is intolerant towards Hindus. The sentences like - Hindus are not welcomed in their homeland (Pakistan) are totally misleading. We hear about the Hindu-Muslim riots and persecution in various areas of India that doesn't make me say that Muslims are not welcomed in India.
Lets not compare Hindu-Muslim riots in India to persecution of minorities in Pakistan. Not sure how many Indian Muslims you know, but might help to talk to one to understand how Muslims are treated in India.
Re: Punjabi Hindus: forlorn and on the path to extinction
^ its very easy if you really want to get to the bottom of it. You can easily find out the populations of Punjab and Sindh in 1941 and 1951 and see the impact of partition. Plenty of information available on the net.