There is a striking difference between the two, the way we speak, eat, live our life, family traditions. Its surprising coz once upon a time punjab was one big place and I cant imagine the traditions were this different at that time.
What has caused such a change in culture in both these places?
Re: Punjabi culture of Pakistan v/s Punjabi culture of India
I do nt think there is any dif in both punjbs.
Re: Punjabi culture of Pakistan v/s Punjabi culture of India
Did partition create those differences?
What are those differences?
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Re: Punjabi culture of Pakistan v/s Punjabi culture of India
There is a striking difference between the two, the way we speak, eat, live our life, family traditions. Its surprising coz once upon a time punjab was one big place and I cant imagine the traditions were this different at that time.
What has caused such a change in culture in both these places?
The way we speak: Its bound to be different, as languages scattered over larger areas tend to differ in dialect and vocabulary. As per language experts, dialect changes after every 40 kos (I don't how much kilo meters are there in a kos). Thus in Sindhi, we got thari, LaaRi, Sirrai, vicholi, etc dialects. In Punjab, it do-aba and Manjhi in Indian Punjab and Manjhi dialect is near the dialect spoken in Chenab area (Faisalabad and surroundings)
What we / they eat: I think many veg dishes are common in both Punjabs. Panjeri is also common in Indian Punjab. As we say for Lahoris, woh to ddoh peene ke bahane dhondhte hai.. be it lassi or kashmiri chai. same can be said about Indian Punjab. Punjab still share common folklore where ganna, maki di roti te sarson da saag, challi are basic foods. When you turn to non-veg dishes, Sikhs do consume meat and probably there are no strict religious restrictions to consume. The procedure of slaughtering the animal is obviously different. jhatka and non jhatka thing.
Live our life: May be farmers in rural areas of both Punjabs still lead same life and elite / urban class has same way of life. I want to know how do you see / consider it different. Interestingly, Punjab's tradition is very much surrounded by sufi traditions. Sikh's Guru garanth contain poetry of Baba Farid. Waris Shah's Heer is still popular in Indian Punjab. Amarta Pritam is a well known and respected literary figure in Pakistan's Punjab's literary circles. Yunus Jawed has translated Satwant Singh's novel. Fakhr Zaman's 'Bandi-wan' was appreciated in Indian Punjab. When both parts can share literary values, we can assume that there is something common in both the societies, as literature is the mirror of a society and its difficult to own mirror of another alien society to that extent.
family tradition: Probably not changed. May be they do peri paina and we don't do that, but respect for elders is in the roots of both the culture. wedding songs are still common. Interesting to know that most of the songs (tappe / mahiye) sung at Pakistani Punajbi weddings (which were sung by Musarrat Nazir in 1980s like lathe di chadar, chitta kukaR, kala doriya, saada chiRya da chanba, etc) were / are part of Indian Punjabi weddings (there Surjeet kaur sung them way before Musarrat Nazeer). Apart from flok songs and Heer Waris Shah, many wedding traditions must be common.. Thats why we keep on listening (ye rasm Hindwana hai :p)
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For analysing anything, one should know both culture, I visited Lyallpur only in memory of my grandfather, that is it :)
So I doubt if I know anything knowlegeble in this case. I know more about kanpur-lucknow than Lahore-Lyallpur
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Hmm yeah I see where you guys are coming from in terms of the similarities, but if you look at a generic view, Indian punjabi's seem to be very so full of life, tradition loving, they love singing and dancing and wear the brightest of colors etc... their culture totally depicts these as well.
Punjabi's in pakistan seem extremely different as compared to punjabi's in India. I cant seem to point out the exact difference but you can tell they are starkly different in appearance, communication, culture etc
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Aren’t Punjabies within Pakistan from one city to another city differ in accent ?
Re: Punjabi culture of Pakistan v/s Punjabi culture of India
Punjabis rocks
Punjabiyan di shaan wakhri
Yes there s a huge difference in between Indian and Pakistani Pujabis
Re: Punjabi culture of Pakistan v/s Punjabi culture of India
The way we speak: Its bound to be different, as languages scattered over larger areas tend to differ in dialect and vocabulary. As per language experts, dialect changes after every 40 kos (I don't how much kilo meters are there in a kos). Thus in Sindhi, we got thari, LaaRi, Sirrai, vicholi, etc dialects. In Punjab, it do-aba and Manjhi in Indian Punjab and Manjhi dialect is near the dialect spoken in Chenab area (Faisalabad and surroundings)
What we / they eat: I think many veg dishes are common in both Punjabs. Panjeri is also common in Indian Punjab. As we say for Lahoris, woh to ddoh peene ke bahane dhondhte hai.. be it lassi or kashmiri chai. same can be said about Indian Punjab. Punjab still share common folklore where ganna, maki di roti te sarson da saag, challi are basic foods. When you turn to non-veg dishes, Sikhs do consume meat and probably there are no strict religious restrictions to consume. The procedure of slaughtering the animal is obviously different. jhatka and non jhatka thing.
Live our life: May be farmers in rural areas of both Punjabs still lead same life and elite / urban class has same way of life. I want to know how do you see / consider it different. Interestingly, Punjab's tradition is very much surrounded by sufi traditions. Sikh's Guru garanth contain poetry of Baba Farid. Waris Shah's Heer is still popular in Indian Punjab. Amarta Pritam is a well known and respected literary figure in Pakistan's Punjab's literary circles. Yunus Jawed has translated Satwant Singh's novel. Fakhr Zaman's 'Bandi-wan' was appreciated in Indian Punjab. When both parts can share literary values, we can assume that there is something common in both the societies, as literature is the mirror of a society and its difficult to own mirror of another alien society to that extent.
family tradition: Probably not changed. May be they do peri paina and we don't do that, but respect for elders is in the roots of both the culture. wedding songs are still common. Interesting to know that most of the songs (tappe / mahiye) sung at Pakistani Punajbi weddings (which were sung by Musarrat Nazir in 1980s like lathe di chadar, chitta kukaR, kala doriya, saada chiRya da chanba, etc) were / are part of Indian Punjabi weddings (there Surjeet kaur sung them way before Musarrat Nazeer). Apart from flok songs and Heer Waris Shah, many wedding traditions must be common.. Thats why we keep on listening (ye rasm Hindwana hai :p)
2 miles = 1 kos
1 mile = 1.6 km
1 kos = 3.2 km
40 kos = 64 km
it's somewhat true. when i used to take slow trains, that would make a halt after skipping a few stations, from Delhi to Allahabad. i used to notice that the dialect changed ever few hours of travel. people getting on at different stations would have different dialect [includes minor differences].
within Delhi = more khaRii boli
around AligaRh = khaRii boli plus Muradabadi vocab
Etawah = more of Urdu/Hindu touch in accent
Kanpur = you hear more of Poorbii accent
Allahabad = more Bihari/Baliatic accent
Pakistani Punjab and Indian Punjab is quite different in terms of language [vocab], food [Indian Punjab more vegetarian], clothing [may be similar but (Indian Punjab (sikhs) use Kachchhaa a lot]
so, i think i can see some differences. Booze is more common on Indian side of Punjab. :)
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2 miles = 1 kos 1 mile = 1.6 km 1 kos = 3.2 km
40 kos = 64 km
it's somewhat true. when i used to take slow trains, that would make a halt after skipping a few stations, from Delhi to Allahabad. i used to notice that the dialect changed ever few hours of travel. people getting on at different stations would have different dialect [includes minor differences].
within Delhi = more khaRii boli around AligaRh = khaRii boli plus Muradabadi vocab Etawah = more of Urdu/Hindu touch in accent Kanpur = you hear more of Poorbii accent Allahabad = more Bihari/Baliatic accent
Pakistani Punjab and Indian Punjab is quite different in terms of language [vocab], food [Indian Punjab more vegetarian], clothing [may be similar but (Indian Punjab (sikhs) use Kachchhaa a lot]
so, i think i can see some differences. Booze is more common on Indian side of Punjab. :)
Booze??
Re: Punjabi culture of Pakistan v/s Punjabi culture of India
Punjabis rocks
Punjabiyan di shaan wakhri
Yes there s a huge difference in between Indian and Pakistani Pujabis
please list dow some of those HUGE differences :)
Re: Punjabi culture of Pakistan v/s Punjabi culture of India
Hmm yeah I see where you guys are coming from in terms of the similarities, but if you look at a generic view, Indian punjabi's seem to be very so full of life, tradition loving, they love singing and dancing and wear the brightest of colors etc... their culture totally depicts these as well.
Punjabi's in pakistan seem extremely different as compared to punjabi's in India. I cant seem to point out the exact difference but you can tell they are starkly different in appearance, communication, culture etc
Actually Punjabi Muslims in Pakistan seems to have accepted bans in the name of so called islamisation by likes of Zia, which faded the colors of culture. Example: ban on Basant by calling it Hindu festival, though people like Nizam u din auliya (RA) celebrated it. Otherwise, before 80s and still now whenever Punjabi Muslims got opportunity, they have proved that their culture is not stagnant.
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Booze??
'araq-e-'onnaabii! :D
Re: Punjabi culture of Pakistan v/s Punjabi culture of India
'araq-e-'onnaabii! :D
kia matlab? khul ke bole... ye jinnati zaban iss waqt samajh nahin aane wali
Re: Punjabi culture of Pakistan v/s Punjabi culture of India
You don't know what booze is?
qaim shah very disappoint.
Re: Punjabi culture of Pakistan v/s Punjabi culture of India
You don't know what booze is?
qaim shah very disappoint.
chalo uss ne hamen disappoint kia, hum ne thoRa sa badla chuka dia :D
Re: Punjabi culture of Pakistan v/s Punjabi culture of India
kia matlab? khul ke bole... ye jinnati zaban iss waqt samajh nahin aane wali
roza kiuN Kharaab kar rahe haiN apnaa...
oh wait a minute...aapkaa iftaar ho chukaa to phir sun leN:
'araq-e-'onnaabii = shar + aab = sharaan = Qa'im Ali Shah! :D
You don't know what booze is?
qaim shah very disappoint.
lolz...kia kabhii Qai'm Ali Shah kii soHbat uThaaii hai kia? :D
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after reading Dopple's post, I just got the meaning and I thought about NFP. lols. Boozer
Re: Punjabi culture of Pakistan v/s Punjabi culture of India
I dont think there are huge differences, but we need to keep in mind that during the past 55 years there has been minimal contact between the two. With the passage of time the cultures of both Punjabs will keep on changing which is normal. Cultures evolve with time.
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I got an idea. when you share same sources of water. There bound to exist similarities in culture. whether you interact or not. :halo: