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Quran was revelaed in Arabic....
it was revealed upong the arabs....
it used the words that they were familiar with....
"muhajjiba" (meaning a woman in hijab) in arab world means a woman who covers herself completely, even the face....
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Shukria .. batane ka … hum aksar uljhan ka shikar hote ke … sir ke baal, pora jism ..etc. ka to aksar jaga lekha hota hay … yeh mou ka chupana kahan se aya. please aap ko zehmat to hogi aghar mou ke chupanay ka quran or hadiss main kahain zikar ho to bata dain please.
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i wish god had just made things easier by clearly stating in the quran that a woman must cover her head instead of just saying cover the “bosoms”
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God has made himself clear. The Sunnah is Also clear.
Its the people that need to make the effort to reach out to the knowledge and commands that are there instead of justifying themselves without anything.
God is not at mistake, man is.
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it is a myth god micromanages human life with such specific orders like dont eat cow/pig or dress certain way.
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ahan, right.
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your source for this and what is he being punished for…
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your source for this and what is he being punished for.........
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He protected Muhammad (s.a.w) while he was alive and died a pagan. At his death, Muhammad prayed for him.
Narrated Al-Musaiyab:
When Abu Talib was in his death bed, the Prophet went to him while Abu Jahl was sitting beside him. The Prophet (s.a.w) said, "O my uncle! Say: None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, an expression I will defend your case with, before Allah." Abu Jahl and 'Abdullah bin Umaya said, "O Abu Talib! Will you leave the religion of 'Abdul Muttalib?" So they kept on saying this to him so that the last statement he said to them (before he died) was: "I am on the religion of 'Abdul Muttalib." Then the Prophet (s.a.w) said, " I will keep on asking for Allah's Forgiveness for you unless I am forbidden to do so." Then the following Verse was revealed:--
"It is not fitting for the Prophet and the believers to ask Allah's Forgiveness for the pagans, even if they were their near relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the (Hell) Fire." (9.113)
The other Verse was also revealed:-- "(O Prophet!) Verily, you guide not whom you like, but Allah guides whom He will ......." (28.56) (Sahih Bukhari 5.223. also Sahih Bukhari 2.442, Sahih Bukhari 6.197, Sahih Bukhari 6.295)
Muhamamd (s.a.w) claimed that Abu Talib is spared the bottom of Hell Fire because of him:
Narrated Al-Abbas bin 'Abdul Muttalib:
That he said to the Prophet "You have not been of any avail to your uncle (Abu Talib) (though) by Allah, he used to protect you and used to become angry on your behalf." The Prophet said, "He is in a shallow fire, and had It not been for me, he would have been in the bottom of the (Hell) Fire." (Sahih Bukhari 5.222. also Sahih Bukhari 8.227)
In another hadith, however, Muhammad (s.a.w) was not so sure, but instead was only hoping that his intercession will allow Abu Talib to escape worst punishment:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
That he heard the Prophet when somebody mentioned his uncle (i.e. Abu Talib), saying, "Perhaps my intercession will be helpful to him on the Day of Resurrection so that he may be put in a shallow fire reaching only up to his ankles. His brain will boil from it." (Sahih Bukhari 5.224. also Sahih Bukhari 8.569)
Hope that answers your query.
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Oh just read your bolded text.
An Imam mentioned it in the Khutbah once, I'll get you references soon InshAllah.
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Allah (SWT) made everything easy for us when He chose Islam as our religion. We chose to make things difficult for ourselves.
“bosoms” is just the english translation. In Arabic it is more precise. That is why it is so important for people t learn Quranic Arabic to TRULY understand the meaning of the Quran. Like I mentioned before when you translate something, it ruins the actual meaning. Imagine trying to translate an urdu poem into English…it just doesnt sound the same…right?
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exactly the point that i have been trying to make.
translating the arabic language just ruins it for us.
thanks for pointing out the exact word…i couldnt think of it at that time.
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Crescent thanks for the references but does this mean all non-muslims are destined for hell even if they do such remarkable deeds as those done by AbuTalib
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Allah swt Knows best. It’ll be decided on the day of judgement.
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why is the english translation not precise?? shouldnt the scholars make sure they provide the exact translation?
as for translating a poem from urdu to english, both are complicated and advanced languages, i dont think anyone would have a problem translating bosoms into its correct urdu word. the same applies to arabic. if it says bosoms, it would mean bosoms…
if you can clarify exactly how i am lost in translation…i will really appreciate it…
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I took arabic classes for only 2 weeks. And TRUST ME that language is NOT normal.
Its different from every language. I swear to god, there is NO way there can be errors in that language, in the way the Quran was revealed. InshAllah i’ll continue the classes soon.
But that Language is AMAZING!!!
English and Urdu , vietnamese, korean all have 2 dimensions, this language has 3 dimensions of science.
its crazy!
Thats why the translated Qurans are done as PRECISELY as they can, anyone will tell you, even those who translated the, (eg. Pickthaal, ibn kathir etc) that you must know arabic in order to better understand it.
And I know thats true. Just 2 weeks, and that language, the science behind it, blew me away!
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what im saying is that sometimes you cant find a word that gives the same excat meaning. There are some Arabic words that you just cant translate because there is no english word that has the same meaning.
Maybe someone like AQ can give you an example of a word or sentence in urdu and translate it in english for us? you’ll see how funny the translation sounds. i cant think of an example to give you at the moment. I’ll think about it and post it later inshallah.
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exactly! arabic is like no other language in this world. It is the language of Allah (SWT).
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I don’t think she meant thats the language Allah swt ‘talks’ in.
Its the language he used to convey the message, so there is a reason behind it.
I don’t understand why people don’t ‘think’ when reading certain posts. Religion forum is filled with these types of people.
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thanks for clarifying my post. 
i thought THAT would be understood…apparently not.
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reason Quran is in arabic…arabs understood arabic.
religion forum is also filled with types that spurt only rhetoric.