Re: Punishment for not observing hijab?
Like i said before, all these things are directly DISOBEYING ALLAH SWt’s Commands.
and Allah swt has given examples, and stated many punishments for those who disobey him.
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i never make excuses for the wrong i do. In fact i admit to it and i ask Allah to forgive me for them and guide me to the right path. I was just curious about the punishment. like i said before it really doesnt even matter because a punishment is a punishment.
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If by hijab you mean a headscarf, then there is no specific punishment mentioned in the Quran. I guess God will take it by case by case basis, or He has some plan, which you'll find out when you die.
If you're talking about hijab in the metaphor sense of general decency, then there is a punishment for lewd women. I don't know if its from the Quran or hadith, i forget, but you have to hold the female in her own home as a prisoner for like a certain number of days until she repents. Basically, the community needs to talk to her and convince her to stop. Almost like therapy.
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^ so PCG thinks there is favoritism in God's judgement????
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Uh Uh Not Happening Sister,
Long before she dies, let her attempt and do the Burkha less walk in the Buraidah or Riyadh or Jeddah Gold Souk, I bet she wont be able to sit for a few weeks.
But on the other hand the moment a Saudi Woman boards a Flight to Europe/USA, you will see the Burkha disappear like Gadhe ke sir se Singh, and you will see ample flesh, that WILL COMPELL YOU TO OGLE!!!
So What Islamic Laws are we talking about, ones that we should follow, or ones that we are made to follow.
Aejaz
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oh c’mon armughal! i tend not to agree with a lot of things PCG says…but i dont think that is what she was implying. give her a break…at least this time.
the thing i got out of her post is…Allah (SWT)will forgive who he wants. From my understanding that is true. We dont know which sins Allah (SWT) can forgive and for what reasons He will forgive. i dont think that has anything to do with favortism. However, I could just be naive in reading her post and misunderstood it altogether:confused:
Allah is most merciful and forgiving.
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Its one thing to believe Allah is All mighty and merciful.
Its another to do sin, and say “Ohh silly goose, Allah is merciful :)” So its ok If I don’t do it I’ll be forgiven.
And its another thing to KNOW you are doing wrong, yet ignore it because you rely on Allah being Merciful, and forget that those who disobey him only attract his Anger.
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absolutely. But I was talking about Allah’s mercy specifically in regards to PCG’s post.
We dont know what Allah may or may not forgive us for. Therefore we should do what the Almighty has ordered us to do. Of course we shouldnt do something that we blatently know is wrong and continue to do so in hopes that Allah will forgive us.
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Yes that is true, you dont know until the day you die.
A devoted person all his life, could commit one bad sin at the end near his life, and well you can imagine.
Allah knows all our fates, May he have mercy on all of us. Ameen.
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Well the punishment issue would be pretty clear, if we were clear on whether a headscarf is really mandatory or not. Just as there are scholars who say its mandatory, there are others who say its not.
Plus, issues like intentions come up also. If you are baring your head without the intention that a "lewd" woman has, then I dont see a problem.
See, pakistani guys have a fallacy in their thinking. They think they can actually understand how women think. So they pass their edicts without knowing what a woman really is. I think God understands how women think. I figure God knows that I'm not baring my dry dandruffy hair to the world to attract some man, but for other reasons. If God wants to punish me for it, He will. If not, then He wont. But I certainly do not believe that any human being can figure out how I or any other person will be punished and for what duration, and by what punishment, and for what sin.
Let God do His job, and how about you men worry about hiding your erections in public, ey?
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Well the punishment issue would be pretty clear, if we were clear on whether a headscarf is really mandatory or not. Just as there are scholars who say its mandatory, there are others who say its not.
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**I CHALLENGE YOU PCG, **BRING FORTH ONE ULLEMA-E-HAQQ of ISNAD THAT SAYS HIJAAB IS NOT MANDATORY! PLEASE Enlighten me.
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Plus, issues like intentions come up also. If you are baring your head without the intention that a "lewd" woman has, then I dont see a problem.
See, pakistani guys have a fallacy in their thinking. They think they can actually understand how women think. So they pass their edicts without knowing what a woman really is. I think God understands how women think. I figure God knows that I'm not baring my dry dandruffy hair to the world to attract some man, but for other reasons. If God wants to punish me for it, He will. If not, then He wont. But I certainly do not believe that any human being can figure out how I or any other person will be punished and for what duration, and by what punishment, and for what sin.
Let God do His job, and how about you men worry about hiding your erections in public, ey?
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Hhehehe, this like something out of Irshad Manji's books.
No Surprise :)
Allah guide us all.
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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]There is considerable controversy surrounding Islam's view of veiling of women. A number of religious men and Muslim states have interpreted veiling as a must in Islam. In fact the Qur'an and the Hadith have singled out the Prophet's wives in this domain. One finds mention of veiling in three Qur'anic Surah's, al- Maryam (19), al-Ahzab (33), and al-Nur (24). One of the Surah's says: "When you ask for something from the Prophet's wives ask behind a curtain (al-hijab) that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts" (33:53). What is meant by hijab here is questionable. According to Shalaq (1982) and Ashmawi (1994) it means a curtain, a partition and not a black dress. It is argued that this verse was revealed for the benefit of the Prophet's wives in order to separate them from the other believers (Shalaq 1982; Ashmawi 1994), especially that the wives of the Prophet had many people visit the house. Another verse in this Surah says: O Prophet, tell thy wives and daughters and the believing women, that they draw their veils close to them; so it is likelier they will be known, and not hurt" (33:59). According to Ashmawi (1994) this verse was revealed to the Prophet because women during the time of the Prophet used to wear a headdress that would hang from the back. So the verse came directing that the head dress should hang from the front. Ashmawi argues, that such a request could be a way in which the Qur'an aimed to distinguish Muslim women from other women. A third verse in the Qur'an says: And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their (pockets) " (24:31). In this verse Ashmawi argues that the revelation was requesting that believing women should let their headdress hang over the top of their dress to hide their bosoms, a modest way of dress.
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Veiling is also mentioned in the Qur'an in relation to the immaculate conception of Jesus. The Surah says: "She (Miriam) placed a hijab.. a veil (unlike others) then we sent her our angel and he appeared before her as a man in all respects"(al-Maryam 19:17). Beyond these prescriptions the Qur'an mentions that women should not exaggerate and display their beauty to men other than those linked to them by blood, marriage, or as servants, and that they should guard their private parts and throw a scarf (or veil) over their bosoms. In the Hadith the reference to a woman covering her head and face with a veil actually meant that the woman was the Prophet's wife (Shalaq 1982, Ahmed 1986:682).**
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The font tags show your lack of knowledge in the area and the reliance on google. go figure.
Your references to Shalaq, and Ashwaami? I asked you to provide references to people of Isnad, not average joes like you and me.
I don’t want to debate on WHAT you think, I want to show you what the Ullema think.
Please try to go to a local Fuqhi or Alim instead of typing in a few queries here and there on google 
Try it, don’t be scared, you’ll be surprised i guess.
P.S. Women of Islam, DO NOT WEAR HIJAAB, Its ok if the Prophet’s wives did it. Allah have mercy on them. It was ONly for them, not for you guys 
so go run around in threads 
ok
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People who do research on the matter and into the primary and secondary sources, are much more knowledgeable than I. I'm only pointing you to some references, which if you were honest about finding answers to your questions, you would look them up, and then look at their references.
As for Ullema - who are you to tell me who is Ullema and who is not? You think a few people in the early days wrote about their theories, and that their research is the only one that can/should be referenced? That's a pretty narrow way of thinking.
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Like I said, its a widely accepted fact that those of Isnad do NOT have narrow mind of thinking.
I’m sure Imam hanafi, Bukhari, Ghazali etc were much more knowledgable in this matter than some ahmed, shemad.
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You assume. That's your problem.
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First of all. Sorry for being so offending to you. I sincerely apologize.
Second, I don't assume. Its called Aqeedah. I believe in the deen.
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all 4 madhabs agree that hijab is obligatory...period. I could careless what recent RESEARCHERS have to say.
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Yes we all agree that hijab is mandatory. But what people don't agree on is exactly what defines HIJAB.
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the definition of HIJAB according to scholars during the prophet’s time and according to ALL 4 madhabs is that one must cover their head, wear loose clothing etc etc.