No, I am not disagreeing with their ruling. I'm just not sure of the authenticity of the Hadith. When it is a person's life on the line, I am more cautious.
I am searching for the verse. I'll see if I can find the reference.
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* I'm just not sure of the authenticity of the Hadith.**
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Now I don't wanna argue because there are people who reject the whole concept of hadeeth using the same excuse :)
Be good and beleive in what you believe..
I beleive in what I posted above and it's not one but several ahaadeeth .. all doubtful in authentication for you may be:)
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Ibn Qassaar and Ibn Taymiyyah (AR) have said: **All the Sahaabah (radhiallaahu anhum) were unanimous that he should be killed though some of them differed in the manner in which it should be done. *
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I am searching for the verse. I'll see if I can find the reference.
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Try Surah Hud (11) :)
AQ -- Thanks. It's not what I was thinking of actually, but the last verses make the same point:
Surah 11
121. Say to those who do not believe: "Do what ever ye can: We shall do our part;
"And wait ye! We too shall wait."
To Allah do belong the unseen (secrets) of the heavens and the earth, and to Him goeth back every affair (for decision): then worship Him, and put thy trust in Him: and thy Lord is not unmindful of aught that ye do.
(www.isna.net Quran archive)
That point can be made for any punishment not just the one we are talking about.
These wise men can't decide...
Throw him off a cliff.
Topple a wall on him.
Stone him to death.
If these fatwas, hadiths, opinions, rulings, whatever you want to call them - would have issued by modern mullahs do you think they would choose other methods like electrocution, lethal injection or gas chamber?
If killing our fellow man for moral indescretions were an edict from God, shouldn't we have all the details? Wouldn't these details be in the Quran because only Allah put to death sodomites if you read His words. These other words are from other people and if it were THE truth then there would not be so much confusion about such an important issue when we are talking about the perfect religion and the perfect book.
Ibn Qassaar and Ibn Taymiyyah (AR) have said: *All the Sahaabah (radhiallaahu anhum) were unanimous that he should be killed though some of them differed in the manner in which it should be done. *
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That point can be made for any punishment not just the one we are talking about.
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Sure. Except those specifically mentioned in the Quran.
It forces us to realize we don't know everything and are in no position to judge and decide. I think that's something we as humans need to come to terms with. We may be smart, but we aren't that smart.
Seminole, Killing homosexuals sanctioned by any religion is wrong. Thank God (pun intented) that people can discern sprituality from literalist interpretation of anachronistic beliefs. Could I imagine a world without "Omar Khyyam" or La Pieta ....God no (pun intended)
I trust in the ruling of Sahaba based on this hadeeth:
‘Kill the one who sodomizes and the one to who lets it be done to him.’
(Tirmizi)
now u can call it un-authentic or whatever (even though it is from Tirmizi Shareef) but again command on raising voice against the voice of Rasool:saw: is atleast mentioned in Quran, no doubt about the authenticity in that case 
O who believe! Raise not your voices above the voice of the Prophet, nor speak aloud to him in talk, as ye may speak aloud to one another, lest your deeds become vain and ye perceive not. Those who lower their voice in the presence of Allah’s Apostle - their hearts has Allah tested for piety: for them is Forgiveness and a great reward"
(al-Hujurat: 2-3).
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Sure. Except those specifically mentioned in the Quran.
It forces us to realize we don't know everything and are in no position to judge and decide. I think that's something we as humans need to come to terms with. We may be smart, but we aren't that smart.
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you don't have to think and worry about it. the person will be executed by Islamic laws and be sentenced by Islamic Judge after having all proof against the person. if he/she is found guilty then will be punished by the rules and laws of God.
what makes so tough to understand ?
and before making any comment about Quran, make sure you read it and have the exact quote with verse number. just doing hanky panky and assuming that Quran says Allah will do is not just right. you may be making sin by spreading false about Quran.
the reply of Anwaar is enough to understand. Islamic laws may look cruel to Mushrikeen but those laws are pure Humanatarian. and those who have doubt about Islamic laws, should re-check the faith.
and burning live human in Gujrat is allowed by your religion 
IF secular laws are so bad and give yu folks such heartburn, why do you liv ein places where an ISlamic law cannot be enacted? If I was so unhappy with what I see around me and there was a better model, I would leae or go and establish that better model. Maybe the reason there is no Islamic goov't or laws in place anywhere but the most backwards of places int eh world is because they are impractical for the modern age. I hear Sudan is lovely, the arabs are ethnically cleansing the blacks in Dafur and you guys can move right in and stone each other silly.
No..who told you that? Stone them…or was it drop a wall or was it 40 lashes…whatever..check first and then mete out approriate punishment.
Mr Matsui: you have no idea about Islam and it’s teachings let alone asking us to leave a place in the world that according to our beleif belongs to ALLAH :swt: and He has asked us to spread in His world to spread His words. IF Islamic laws can not be practiced here, we are still required to live in such place so that we can influence and work for islamic laws being implemented..
thankyouverymuch.
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No..who told you that? Stone them...or was it drop a wall or was it 40 lashes...whatever..check first and then mete out approriate punishment.
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not just said but xecuted 100's of Humans were burnt. did u raised any voice ? no ? so you apprecite it. roll back your stupid theories. its your time to drink gao maata cola.
UK a couple years ago I was reading the translation of that part and I remember it from that. I did say "as far as I recall" because I couldn't remember it exactly. Don't accuse me of making it up when you have no basis for it.
Hey Moron, if you want to discuss Gujarat and my responses in that thread, go and search the website. This thread is about homosexuality and I am arguing why you should not be stoned. SO thank me…
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UK a couple years ago I was reading the translation of that part and I remember it from that. I did say "as far as I recall" because I couldn't remember it exactly. Don't accuse me of making it up when you have no basis for it.
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show me what your basis are about it any refernec ?.
you do take only parts ? what if Quran says ' do not pray salat - untill you are clean' will you take first part ?
Ok we wont stone u.
now leave this topic. We all have stated our point of view. Let’s not make it point of fight.
109:6 Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.