While it would be a scientific anomaly to give birth while a virgin, it is not a scientific impossibility. This has been known to happen in nature, although it is rare. When it does happen, all offspring are female, since the female has two X chromosomes, so that the offspring inherit, also, two X chromosomes. However, it could be possible in humans for a woman to give birth to a male. The way that it could happen is if the woman had both an X and Y chromosome, which occurs in 1 in 5 million women. So, this possibility cannot be completely ruled out as impossible.
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I never said there is any kind of social justice in Pakistan at moment.. raed my posts in Pakistan Affiars for that matter.. and minorities including ahmadis have suffered a lot from some lunatice..I just asked if ur atheist why u need a social justice at all.. if we never to get accountable.. then killing, raping should have no meaning nor do family system.. why them we need order at all..
There is something called faith and faith doesnt need explanation.. we r just living in a time and space that are relevant to this world.. and human capacity has certain limit ..
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Well, first of all, I think justice does exist without faith. You dont need to believe in god to bellieve that murder, persecution, rape etc are wrong. I mean, dont you think such things would be worng without the existence of god?
The idea of justice is ingrained in our psyche, it is part of our evolution... Yes, I agree that ultimately it doesnt matter, you have a point, but your getting to philisophical... As a society we have laws based on the premise that their should be justice for all, and human rights that are to be valued with or without god. So without getting to philisophical, the point is that people deserve justice, and freedom, that includes religous.
And if Faith doesnt need explanation and it can only be believed, then how can you question the faith of Ahmedis or anyone else for that matter?
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Please explain and describe the difference between atheism and anarchy.
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Atheism: Not beieving in god...
Anarchy: Not abiding by the rule of law...
Two very different things, just because your wtheist doesnt make you prone to anarchy.
But those that are religious I have found are very much prone to Anarchy.. Pakistan is a perfect example.. Look at how the that Religious party workers defaced and destroyed billboards and other advertisments... Thats certaimly anarchy despite the fact that they are religious.
And take a look at our many Jihadi groups in Kashmir and Afghanistan...
If that not anarchy what is?
The world Population as of now is about 6.3 Billion (not taking in account of all the humans deceased since begning of time). If the occurrence would be 1 in 5 million. Then that means we should have around 1200 emaculate conceptions (6.3 Billion / 5 million).
That might be your feeling towards no one answering but the way i'm seeing it is that everyone has probably caught onto the lies. deception and fraud of the ahmadi's, that it's just a waste of time going in neverending circles.
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Yeah, but then they come out on top...
And how can they be the liars if they are useing referance and only refrences from the quran?
First of all out of 6.3 billion people on this earth, half of them are women who could give birth to a child. So it would be now 3.2 billion female population. Out of that you can exclude more than half as they can't have children or haven't reach the age of giving birth to a child (older than 50 years or younger than 13/14 years). Now not every women gives birth to a child every year. So that also lessen the possible number of immaculate births.
And presence of Y chromsome in a women doesn't mean that she would always have an immaculate conception. Scientificaly it is possible but nobody is saying that it would always be the case.
Thanx, for bringing that to my atttention. The break down of the population did not occur to me. But back to the Question. Are there any cases of Virginal Births which are Historicaly as well as scientificaly accepted?
Just go to www.google.com and search for 'Buddha virgin birth' and you would get a lot of results. Also read Hinduism by Williams pages 82 and 108)
T. W. Rhys Davids, M.A. Ph.D. Buddhism (Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, London, 1887).
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Buddha's mother is said to be a virgin. Page 183. His mother was the best and purest of the daughters of men.
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Note: At the bottom of page 183, Davids quotes St. Jerome.
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St. Jerome says (Contra Sovian bk. I): It is handed down as a tradition among the Gymnososophists of India that Buddha, the founder of their system, was brought forth by a virgin from her side.
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So just like virgin birth of Jesus is a controversial subject with some saying that it is true and some saying that it is not.
Ha Ha Ha… :bukbuk: You know I just went and did a cross reference check on your citings. It came from the website www.alislam.org You know whats the link, in his writings were found references to the coming Messiah (accorindg to the site). The Buddhism site its self is saying that he had a father but we are not going to take that into consideration.
Mr. Fateh Ahmad. In the struggle to prove me wrong you are compromising the fact that Quran as well as Bible speaks of Jesus and his Virgin Birth. As far as my understanding goes this was a Miracle and if it were to re-occur in History then there was no point of it happening in the first place. Any ways…
Virgin in common usage terms means “One without having sexual intercourse.” Buddha on the other hand was born to a woman that was married. Buddha’s name was Sidharta Gautama. Gautama was his Surname (father’s name). If you wish to read more why he was called a Virgin Birth then you can go to the following link…
Houston Smith wrote a book called “The World’s Religions” I am quoting something from the back cover of the book…
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" Houston Smith is widely regarded as the most eloquent and accessible contemprorary authority on the History of religions. He has taught at Washington University, MIT, and Syracuse Uiversity and was most recently visiting professor at the University of Califonia at Berkeley."
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One of his emphasis is Buddhism. He in his Book on p 83 talks about his father being a king.
According to Encylopedia Britanica 2003“… The historical Buddha, referred to as the Buddha Gautama or simply as the Buddha, was born a prince of the Sakyas, on the India-Nepal border…”
I am sure you would realize by now that every time there is an issue www.alislam.org has an explanation moulded in a way that would suite their needs and supports their ideology. The bottom line is even if you do believe that Buddah was a Virgin Birth. The discussion started off with the fact that Quran says Jesus was born as an emaculate conception. Hence there was an exception. Zaki Ahmad sahib said that scientists have proven that it can happen. Well scientists have also proven that man went to Moon (rising of bodies). You never know they might come up with a theory of bodies descending to heaven (as it seems science is the basis of Ahmadiyat). I just hope its in our life time. I will not be further debating on this issue, Thank you!
I have reached a conclusion after all these discussions with Mirzais. I never knew the depth of the problem with qadianis/mirzais. The more I read about them, the more I realized how different and twisted their beliefs are. After all, Mirza had to come up with something different to be different. Otherwise what was left in Islam incomplete that another person was needed?
The more I find out about their twisted beliefs on just about everything, the more I realize that the decision to declare them non-Muslims was justified. In fact more has to be done about them as these people misguide others through their propaganda campaign.
Surely they will finish themselves as their beliefs are based on nothing but lies. They could not even get a foothold in the place they started this fitnah!
I told you to go to www.google.com and search for 'Buddha Virgin birth'. I also told you that you would find a lot website talking on this topic and not all of them are developed by Ahmadis.
The reference on www.alislam.org was about the books written by historians which are not Ahmadis. You can't deny that these books do not exist or are made up Ahmadis only.
Not science along, but rationality and laws created by Allah are presented by Ahmadis for their believes.
You said that bodies can ascend as proven by man by going to moon. Right now we are talking about Jesus. Is there such technology occured at the time of Jesus that he could ascend beyond earth. Scientificaly you need a certain escape velocity to go beyong the gravity of earth, which couldn't be achieved by a human being without the help of some external device.
What I got from your posts is that you believe that miracle is something that cannot be happened again and is an impossible phenomena?
I disagree with that as I believe a miracle to be a very rare event but in no way breaks any law set forth by Allah through his sunnat.
isn't it funny that the Holy Prophet faced the greatest persecution in his own land, Mecca. His disciples were dragged on their backs in the hottest months of summer. They were slained, separated from their families, killed, dispised, humiliated. Forced to migrate to Habshah and then to Meddinah. He was the greatest prophet of all times but according to your logic, nauzobillah he was not the true one!
The protection of Allah means that every time the opponents would try to destroy somebody who is from Allah, Allah would strengthen his hand and would increase their numbers and would prosper them.
Ufff!!! You compare yourself with the persecution of the Muslims at the times of the Prophet :saw:. What are you? and what is new in your message? The religion was complete 1400 years ago. We have the Quran. We have the Hadeeth of Prophet :saw:. Open your eyes …Please and for once try to look at what you are doing from a different angle. May Allah guide you all!