laeeqkhan
Our eyes are open Alhamdolillah, we dont say that nauzubillah min zalik Islam isnt compltete, OF COURSE it is, and accoding to Hadith Hz Masih Maood :as: reform it than bring something new.
why we compare us with AnHz Mohammad :saw: time, cuz He :saw: himself compared his time with the time of Masih!!!
btw the vers is May Allah(swt) guide us to the right path. Ameen (:))
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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Mr. Islamabad:
isn't it funny that the Holy Prophet faced the greatest persecution in his own land, Mecca. His disciples were dragged on their backs in the hottest months of summer. They were slained, separated from their families, killed, dispised, humiliated. Forced to migrate to Habshah and then to Meddinah. He was the greatest prophet of all times but according to your logic, nauzobillah he was not the true one!
The protection of Allah means that every time the opponents would try to destroy somebody who is from Allah, Allah would strengthen his hand and would increase their numbers and would prosper them.
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By the way, how are Ahmedis strenghthening? The more Ahmedis expose thier beliefs, the more they are disliked. Wallah, I never disrespected you the way I do now, simply after hearing strange things from you.
What strange things…
that we believe in Allah and Angels and books of Allah and His Prophets, and the day of Judgement? And Islam is being chosen for us as religion and its teachings are perfect?
that not an iota of Quran is changed since it’s revealed and it will remain as pure till the end of times, as promised by Allah
that Muhammad :saw: is best of the prophets and Khatamun Nabiyyeen.
that we believe that Hadhrat Isa :as: survived curcifixion and died a natural death , and we provide evidence in support from Quran, Hadith and sayings of old Islamic scholars?
that we believe that Messiah and Mehdi who was prophecied to come in the later age by Hazoor:saw: to reform Islam, HAS COME and he is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian :as:?
If believing in above throws me out of Islam than BY GOD I AM NOT MUSLIM.
I had planned to ask this question previously but it escaped my mind. I came across this again. So I am posting a link. I did not wana copy and paste the whole article. I would like to appologise in advance if some one gets their feelings hurt by going to the following link. My intentions are not of slandering but the article has citations and accompanying material that I thought would be helpful.
What’s the point of this, they only gonna deny it and say it’s propagnada.
You just can’t win with them!!!
Zakiahmed
Just for the record, you were doing pretty well in your self summary, until you reached the part of Isa and crucifiction, but this can be dealt with later.
What was amazing was the part concerning the Messiah/Mehdi and the prophecies concerning his appearance. Obviously you must be refering to authentic A'Hadeeth. If so, can you also please enlighten us with the A'hadeeths as I'm sure they mention the parents names and place of birth etc.
Read the following link from the Ahmadi website…
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/christianity_facts_to_fiction/appendix_II.html
The impregnation does occur but the feotus always dies and if it lives it is always a female. As it this phenomenon always takes place in women it tends to clone/replica the Mother.
http://www.errantyears.com/1999/feb99/000847.html
"*The nuclei of human cells contain 22 autosomes and 2 sex chromosomes. In females, the sex chromosomes are the 2 X chromosomes. Males have one X chromosome and one Y chromosome. The presence of the Y chromosome is decisive for unleashing the developmental program that leads to a baby boy.
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Since there is no male involved in physialogical parthenogenesis, there are no Y chromosomes transfered. Hence if the fetus ever develops and gets to a stage of Birth, is always a female species. Where as Jesus was a male!
There is a phenomenon of Chromosomal mosaicism. A male can have female xx cells and vice versa. So Mary (as) most possibly had XY cells too..
Only in Islam where you can such confounded beliefs. Speaks volumes for the religion. :k: Seems like someone didn’t cut & paste well enough from the other established religions.
Clay is a bit hard to copy/paste by the click of a computer mouse.
Re: Punishment by Allah in believing in False Prophets
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*Originally posted by zakiahmed: *
Is there a punishment mentioned for a person in Quran or Hadith if he/she believes in someone as a true prophet but he's not a true prophet?
If yes, please quote the verse and/or reference for Hadith.
As far as I know, everywhere in Holy Quran, a punishment for a non-believer is mentioned. But nowhere have I seen a punishment by Allah for people who are the first to believe in claimants of prophethood.
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zaki mian if u r mirzai then ye dil ka chore bool raha hay.........
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Bao Sahib,
It seems you didn’t understand my post at all.
The purpose of this post was:
Our opponents believe Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian:as: as ‘Nauzobillah’ a false prophet and opposes him in every respect, and not just opposes him but disrespect him and call him with bad names. All for the sake of protection of their faith, I guess.
But we believe in him to be a true prophet of God and a true follower of AnHuzur :saw:. So much true that Allah granted him prophethood as a reward within the ummah, just because he followed Huzur:saw: in every respect.
Now, in Holy Quran, no where a punishment is mentioned for believing in someone who claims to be a prophet from God, yet he’s not. There is a reason for that. A false prophet will never be able to multiply, as his falsehood will fall upon himself and Allah will destroy him, because he made a lie against Allah.
But if a claimant of prophethood is really from God, then Allah will protect those who are with him and his Jama’at against those who are opposing him. And the opponents will get punishment, and it is mentioned all over in Holy Quran.
So the best deal is, NOT TO CALL NAMES AND START ABUSING A CLAIMANT OF PROPHETHOOD… it’s not in the best interest of ‘amatunnaas’ (common people). Yet what a common man should do is to pray God to give him Guidance. Because if he’s really a true prophet, then curse be instead upon his opponents.
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Now, in Holy Quran, no where a punishment is mentioned for believing in someone who claims to be a prophet from God, yet he's not. There is a reason for that. A false prophet will never be able to multiply, as his falsehood will fall upon himself and Allah will destroy him, because he made a lie against Allah.
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And nowhere in the quran is mentioned the name MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD.
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And nowhere in the quran is mentioned the name MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD.
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btw acoording to Hadith which MULLAHS also believe, there were 124000 Prophets, do u find all of them in Holy Quran?
why being lakeer ke fakeer? use commen sense.
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Protected by Allah. :) and kicked out and persecuted in their own land for the great blasphemy!
Trust me, no matter on which forum you go, you will not be accpted as Muslims for the kind of twisted beliefs you have.
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So was YOUR PROPHET Mohamad moron. Remember, he had to leave for Medina?! DUH!
Rephrase your words PakPat..
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Rephrase your words PakPat..
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read his other replies.. he admires Mirza a lot.. hes a n ahmadi if u search his posts.. why u people stoop so low indirectly?
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So was YOUR PROPHET Mohamad moron.
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You have the audacity to call everyone else pathetic, your really pushing yourself to the edge.
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Rephrase your words PakPat..
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Thats the only thing u will say to this thing called pakpatriot!!! after insulting Muhammad (PBUH).. speaks volume of ur faith.. i know hes been great in admiring ahmadis and Mirza here..