My understanding is correct but you are willing to accept it as you may like or love to :)
How much and how many other things do you also know about her ? I am sure you just interested to pick up only you like :)
but the truth is not as you showing sweety :)
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Ok, what would you say about this:
Hazrat Ibn- i-Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) relates: ‘When Ibrahim, son of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) passed away, the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) led the funeral prayers and then said lbrahim will have a wet- nurse to feed him in paradise and had he lived he would have been a true prophet.....’ (Ibn- i-Majah-Kitab AlJanaiz - chapter on the events pertaining to the funeral services of the son of the Messenger of Allah).
The Hadith, as noted above, states ‘Had he lived he would have been a true prophet.....‘. You would contend that God in His wisdom caused him to die lest he should become a prophet. The fact is there is no wisdom in this. It is an attack on the intelligence and eloquence of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him).
Let us consider the background of the Hadith.
The verse containing ‘Khatamun Nabbiyeen’ was revealed in the year 5 A.H. Hazrat lbrahim the son of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) died in beginning of the year 9 A.H. If the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) understood ‘Khatamun Nabbiyeen’ to mean that no prophet of any kind could now come, he would not have made a statement like the one mentioned in this Hadith above. He could have said although lbrahim was a pure soul but since the door to prophethood is closed, had he lived he would not become a prophet.
I am very happy that you brought this thing up here
you did questioned and you did answered by self, I have nothing to say more here
only difference is in ‘if’
and that is the reason Prophet Muhammad :saw: has no boy, all were died in early age making sure there will be no further prophet
You are implying by your statement that at the time of the death of Hazrat Ibrahim, the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) Naozobillah didn't correctly understand the true meaning of 'Khatamun Nabbiyeen’. Because if he would understand it correctly, He should be making the statement that Ibrahim could be a prophet.
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Aawara Badal:
You are implying by your statement that at the time of the death of Hazrat Ibrahim, the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) Naozobillah didn't correctly understand the true meaning of 'Khatamun Nabbiyeen’. Because if he would understand it correctly, He should be making the statement that Ibrahim could be a prophet.
Please explain.
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where did I said this sweety ? why assuming so many things at one time ?
According to your belief, the verse about 'Khatamun Nabbiyeen' completely closes all doors of any future prophethood. This verse was revealed in fifth year of Hijrah.
But in the ninth year of Hijrah, after the death of Hazrat Ibrahim, the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) stated that Has he gone on to live, he would have been a prophet?
Why did Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) make that statement, if he had correctly understand the meaning of 'Khatamun Nabbiyeen' (according to you: absolutely no prophet after the Holy Prophet).
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Aawara Badal:
According to your belief, the verse about 'Khatamun Nabbiyeen' completely closes all doors of any future prophethood. This verse was revealed in fifth year of Hijrah.
But in the ninth year of Hijrah, after the death of Hazrat Ibrahim, the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) stated that Has he gone on to live, he would have been a prophet?
Why did Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) make that statement, if he had correctly understand the meaning of 'Khatamun Nabbiyeen' (according to you: absolutely no prophet after the Holy Prophet).
Please explain!
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Why he did, well he juz said, he did not said that there will be a prophet after him. did he ?
Since the son was dead, and he knew the reason he is dead.
Are you trying to say Mirza as a prophet here? LOL
I feel sorry for you guys. :)
I have already said in one of my previous post that its not about Ahmadiyyat. The topic of discussion is a coming of a prophet about the Holy prophet (peace be upon him).
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Why he did, well he juz said, he did not said that there will be a prophet after him. did he ?
Since the son was dead, and he knew the reason he is dead.
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But according to you, Allah has already decreed that there couldn't be any more prophets through the verse ''Khatamun Nabbiyeen'. then what is the need of Hazrat Ibrahim to die an early death. Even if he had live longer, he couldn't become a prophet as it is already abolished by the verse of 'Khatamun Nabbiyeen'.
But on the other hand, If Hazrat Ibrahim would live a normal life, he could have become a prophet as the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) stated. Then what would become of the verse of 'Khatamun Nabbiyeen'.
I found a lot of contradictions in this kind of belief about 'Khatamun Nabbiyeen'.
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STOP, I am not talking about Hz Isa :as: of Islam, I am talking about your and Christ Isa, who is still alive and somewhere living for damn 2000 years!!!
The Birth of Hz Isa :as: is indeed a miracle, which show us the power of Allah(swt).
The miracle by Hz Masih Maood :as: are enough ONLY for THOSE who understand the teaching of Prophets of Allah(swt), for those who dont want understand 1 billion miracles arent enough!!!
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So if messenger of God can come in this world in unnatural way why cant he come again.. 2000 years may be for u but time and space is not same for everyone.. If God want to send him whats so amazing about it.. It doeasnt matter to me if he comes or not.. we have guidence through Muhammad (PBUH) and Quran.. dont taunt messengers in these words just to justify Mirza as messenger of God..
Plus give me any example from previous messengers of God who boasted about their miracles and their levels.. or compared themselves with other mesengers.. and check Mirza’s words..
Birth of a child by a virgin mother is not impossible. Scientificaly it has already been proven.
But coming of a human from the skies is never heard off and its against the Allah's principles.
And what Mr. Ouija was saying about Jesus is about a human who was fictitiously made to go on the skies and then living there for 2000 years. He was not talking about the humble servent of Allah, jesus christ who died almost 2000 years ago just like all the other prophets and got buried on this earth.
Actually its people like you who are making fun of Holy Quran by associating mythical stories with Jesus.
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Mr. Degas:
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So it shouldn't also matter for you to accept Jesus if he indeed comes because you already have Quran! Am I right in implying that?
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dont jump on assumptions.. if Jesus (AS) comes then it would be incumbent to belive in him but why should one worry about that? my concern is to belive and observe basic faith elements like salat, fasting, Quran and Hajj and follow Muhammad (PBUH) sunnah and not anyone else ! .. not to worry about thing that might happen.. but u may be anxious as the whole existance of ahmadi faith is based upon Christs' death in Kashmir!
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not to worry about thing that might happen
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Its looks like that you are not sure whether he is going to come or not? I am kind of confused! because either you have to have a firm believe that Jesus would come or you have to believe that he is not going to come! You can't be in the middle of these two options!
And the whole existence of Ahmadiyya movement in Islam is not based on Christ's death in Kashmir but rather based on the teachings of Quran and Hadith.
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Mr. Degas:
Birth of a child by a virgin mother is not impossible. Scientificaly it has already been proven.
But coming of a human from the skies is never heard off and its against the Allah's principles.
And what Mr. Ouija was saying about Jesus is about a human who was fictitiously made to go on the skies and then living there for 2000 years. He was not talking about the humble servent of Allah, jesus christ who died almost 2000 years ago just like all the other prophets and got buried on this earth.
Actually its people like you who are making fun of Holy Quran by associating mythical stories with Jesus.
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So Mr Mr OuiJa is wrong above as he mentioned Isa (AS) birth is indeed a miacle ! and u say its normal thing.. and scientists can do that..
And how are u deciding about Allah principles? Messengers crossed fire, lived in fish stomach, went to heaven and more.. do u have Gods principles written somewhere or Mirza have them?
Who is making fun of holy Quran Allah knows.. but please tell us how u understood 1 million miracles and hows that possible in a person lifetime.. it must be a miracle in itself - 1 million and first
Whos saying that its not a miracle? A thing that can only happen one in a million or one in a billion or very rarely is called a miracle. It doesn't have to be a super natural phenomena.
Lets say that there is a village which doesn't have any kind of rain for almost 15 years. A man of Allah visit this village and on the request of the inhabitants pray in front of Allah for rain. Now if the clouds come and it start raining then it would be called a miracle although it is not a super natural phenomena.
In the same way birth of Jesus is called a miracle and its not against the nature of Allah. But descent of a human from the skies sure is against the principles of Allah.
Now birth of Jesus (AS) is not impossble.. and ahmadis also say that he never turned death people to life with God's grace.. and he left Bethlem for Kashmir and lived there till age of 120.. so what this messenger of God did that his name is mentioned so many times in Quran and if his birth is not a miracle why Surah Maryam in Quran if its ordinary matter.. why vast majority of humans both christians and muslims respect this personality..
Nobody is saying that his birth is not a miracle! Can't you read the posts of other readers thoroughly. Indeed its a miracle but not against the laws of Allah. Can't you understand such a simple point!
Why we respect Jesus? because he is the prophet of Allah. Just like every muslim respect Ibrahim, Moses, Noah and other prophets, they also respect Jesus AS.
Why does christians respect Jesus? Why don't you ask that from a christian?
