Punishment by Allah in believing in False Prophets

Aawara_Baadal · July 23, 2003, 2:52pm

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Aawara Badal:

If Hazrat Ayesha also didn't believe the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) as the last prophet, then doesn't it make her having the same belief as that of Ahmadis. If you are kicking Ahmadis out of Islam, you have to do the Naozobillah the same thing with Hazrat Ayesha.
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please do not bring false stories just to prove your self right thank you :)

Aawara_Baadal · July 23, 2003, 2:53pm

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I have made mind only to believe what is truth

fatehahmad · July 23, 2003, 2:54pm

Aawara Badal:

Is this a false story:

Hazrat Ayeshara, whose position is well known, says: "Say he is the Seal of the Prophets but do not say that there is no prophet after him". (Takmala Majmaul Bihar, p. 88) Imam Soyooti writes that Mogheera also expressed the same opinion. (Durri Mansoor)

Aawara_Baadal · July 23, 2003, 2:56pm

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Aawara Badal:

Is this a false story:

Hazrat Ayeshara, whose position is well known, says: "Say he is the Seal of the Prophets but do not say that there is no prophet after him". (Takmala Majmaul Bihar, p. 88) Imam Soyooti writes that Mogheera also expressed the same opinion. (Durri Mansoor)
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I do not see any thing saying that Mirza is naoozbillah a prophet here :)

fatehahmad · July 23, 2003, 2:58pm

Aawara Badal:

The point of discussion is not about the prophethood of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian.

It is about our beloved Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) as the absolutely last of the prophets. So please stick to the topic!

Aawara_Baadal · July 23, 2003, 3:01pm

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Aawara Badal:

The point of discussion is not about the prophethood of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian.

It is about our beloved Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) as the absolutely last of the prophets. So please stick to the topic!
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I am stuck to the conclusion means ultimate conclusion. :)

fatehahmad · July 23, 2003, 3:05pm

Aawara Badal:

According to the Hadith narrated by Hazrat Ayesha, she didn't believe the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) as the absolute last prophet meaning that other prophets under Islam can come after the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him). Otherwise why would she have to make such a statement?

So if Ahmadis are kicked out of Islam believing that a prophet can come after Holy Prophet (peace be upon him), then Naozobillah why not Hazrat Ayesha RA.

Aawara_Baadal · July 23, 2003, 3:08pm

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Aawara Badal:

According to the Hadith narrated by Hazrat Ayesha, she didn't believe the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) as the absolute last prophet meaning that other prophets under Islam can come after the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him). Otherwise why would she have to make such a statement?

So if Ahmadis are kicked out of Islam believing that a prophet can come after Holy Prophet (peace be upon him), then Naozobillah why not Hazrat Ayesha RA.
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Did she said Mirza is a prophet ?

fatehahmad · July 23, 2003, 3:10pm

Aawara Badal:

So my next question to you would be: Do you consider that a new prophet from Allah can come?

The other question would be: Are Ahmadis declared non-muslim for following Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian or following a new prophet?

Aawara_Baadal · July 23, 2003, 3:13pm

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Aawara Badal:

So my next question to you would be: Do you consider that a new prophet from Allah can come?

The other question would be: Are Ahmadis declared non-muslim for following Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian or following a new prophet?
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Answer one is NO.
Answer two is, as you accpeted they declared nonmuslims bacause they did not believe in BASIC Believes of Islam so simple :)

bye :)

fatehahmad · July 23, 2003, 3:14pm

Aawara Badal:

As the answer of the first question is 'NO' that means the belief of Hazrat Ayesha is different from yours, should you also consider Hazrat Ayesta to be Naozobillah outside the pale of Islam.

Aawara_Baadal · July 23, 2003, 3:16pm

So my next question to you would be: Do you consider that a new prophet from Allah can come?<<<

The asnwer was for this question sweety

Hazrat Ayesh never said that oanother will come or She never pointed out about Mirza

fatehahmad · July 23, 2003, 3:17pm

Aawara Badal:

Then Why did Hazrat Ayesha stated that don't say that Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) is the last of the prophets! There should be a reason behind her statement.

Aawara_Baadal · July 23, 2003, 3:19pm

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Aawara Badal:

Then Why did Hazrat Ayesha stated that don't say that Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) is the last of the prophets! There should be a reason behind her statement.
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nah|!|! that is the way you took it after 100 years of reasearch, just to prove your story about Mirza :)

Degas · July 23, 2003, 3:19pm

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Aawara Badal:

So my next question to you would be: Do you consider that a new prophet from Allah can come?

The other question would be: Are Ahmadis declared non-muslim for following Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian or following a new prophet?
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Again we r back to zero.. ahmadis are considered same as ahmadis consider those muslims that dont belive Mirza as prophet of God!

I believe prophethood has been stoped after Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as last message to humanity was delivered through Quran and promise made to safe guard word of God. If more prophets were to come what ahppened to ones those came after Muhammad (PBUH) till Mirza and those who will come after Mirza! All the work Mirza did doesnt require a messenger of God.. his explanations are all literary... But I have no problem with some one following Mirza as there should be no proiblem with ahmadis for someone following Muhammad (PBUH)..

zakiahmed · July 23, 2003, 3:20pm

Do you understand english?

She said: “Say He (The Holy Prophet) is ‘Khatamul-Anbiyya’ but do not say that there would be no prophet after him.” (Durre Mansoor Vol 5, page 204).

And you are saying she never said another prophet will come… Man there is something wrong with your understanding.

fatehahmad · July 23, 2003, 3:21pm

Aawara Badal:

Ok! If Ahmadis are getting the wrong meaning from the following, I would request you to please explain it for all the audiences:

Hadith:
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Hazrat Ayeshara, says: "Say he is the Seal of the Prophets but do not say that there is no prophet after him". (Takmala Majmaul Bihar, p. 88)
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What does the above statement of Hazrat Ayesha stands for?

Aawara_Baadal · July 23, 2003, 3:23pm

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*Originally posted by zakiahmed: *

Do you understand english?

She said: “Say He (The Holy Prophet) is ‘Khatamul-Anbiyya’ but do not say that there would be no prophet after him.” (Durre Mansoor Vol 5, page 204).

And you are saying she never said another prophet will come... Man there is something wrong with your understanding.
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My understanding is correct but you are willing to accept it as you may like or love to :)
How much and how many other things do you also know about her ? I am sure you just interested to pick up only you like :)
but the truth is not as you showing sweety :)

Aawara_Baadal · July 23, 2003, 3:25pm

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Aawara Badal:

Ok! If Ahmadis are getting the wrong meaning from the following, I would request you to please explain it for all the audiences:

Hadith:

What does the above statement of Hazrat Ayesha stands for?
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Do not read those books who are not recognised. you should check in sahi Bukhari or any book book from seven recognised hadees :)

fatehahmad · July 23, 2003, 3:26pm

Aawara Badal:

Ok! What is your understanding from this statement of Hazrat Ayesha?