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What do you think PTI should do about Karachi issue?
PTI should tell us what solution they have for Karachi's issue? 23rd march jalsa and long silence on Karachi issue make PTI's instance on Karachi very vague.
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^ Imran condemned the incident previous to this one! Thing is, in Pakistan you can never convince people. If he does not condemn, he is asked why did he not do so? When he does, he is asked why did he condemn ONLY?
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No that was strictly for you who conveniently ignored PMLN, MQM, PMLQ, ANP and PPP’s silence on the recent attacks and only focused on criticising PTI. Imran on the record has condemned terrorism on so many occasions. But it really takes an open minded individual to see that that the way he’s been so passionately and consistently pushing for a well documented solution against the growing terrorism is a clear sign that he’s more concerned about the problem than all the other parties combined.
Imran has clear cut polices to deal with the problem. No doubt about that. What about the other parties? Yes as if sitting in palaces in home and abroad and condemning terrorism through a phone khataab and a speech from behind the bullet proof glass has brought an ounce of relief to a common Pakistani who sees terrorism yet has no idea when it’ll end and how it’ll end. Does anyone is the world genuinely feel sorry for the common Pakistanis?
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No that was strictly for you who conveniently ignored PMLN, MQM, PMLQ, ANP and PPP's silence on the recent attacks and only focused on criticising PTI. Imran on the record has condemned terrorism on so many occasions. It really takes an open minded individual to see that that the way he's been so passionately and consistently pushing for the solution against growing terrorism is a clear sign of the fact that he's more concerned about the problem of Pakistan than all those other parties combined.
Imran has clear cut polices to deal with the problem? What about other parties? Yes as if sitting in palaces in home and abroad and condemning terrorism through a phone khataab and a speech from behind the bullet proof glass has brought an ounce of relief to a common Pakistani who sees terrorism yet has no idea when it'll end and how it'll end.
clear policies and U-turns don't go to gether :)
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PTI should tell us what solution they have for Karachi's issue? 23rd march jalsa and long silence on Karachi issue make PTI's instance on Karachi very vague.
This was PTI's policy on karachi
1) depoliticise police & remove political influence from the arrests/release
2) eradicate militant wings from political parties
3) deweaponisation of karachi without discrimination.
4) restore investments and confidence of businessmen gradually
It has been repeated quite often. I am surprised you missed that, did you?
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^ Imran condemned the incident previous to this one! Thing is, in Pakistan you can never convince people. If he does not condemn, he is asked why did he not do so? When he does, he is asked why did he condemn ONLY?
whats PTI's stance over the statement by TTP to attack PPP, ANP & MQM BTW?
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This was PTI's policy on karachi
1) depoliticise police & remove political influence from the arrests/release (how?) 2) eradicate militant wings from political parties (how?) 3) deweaponisation of karachi without discrimination. (how?) 4) restore investments and confidence of businessmen gradually (how?)
It has been repeated quite often. I am surprised you missed that, did you?
how? when overall gesture is of a tight-lipped silence.
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clear policies and U-turns don't go to gether :)
...And ignorance and prejudice certainly go together in your case.
Imran, since the last ten years has been talking about brining the Talibans out of their rat holes and containing them through dialogues. Yes the same policy USA is now pushing for. There hasn't been any change in his fundamental ideas. So I don't know what U-Turn you're on about.
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...*And ignorance and prejudice certainly go together in your case. *
Sorry!
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whats PTI's stance over the statement by TTP to attack PPP, ANP & MQM BTW?
Watch IK's interview with Jasmine & on PTV news and you will see. Also its reps have come out condemning those attacks.
how? when overall gesture is of a tight-lipped silence.
Let ie come to power. at least its one party which has given a holistic solution to karachi issue. No other leader/party mentioned any sort of plan. If you want that to continue then its your choice. I have lived in karachi quite a lot and its in my heart. And this is why this holistic approach appeals to me.
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how?.
You don't have to worry about that coz you won't be running a small district (let alone a country) even in your wild fantasies if you are so ridiculously baffled over the question of 'how' governments enforce changes.
Obviously there'd be a need for strong law enforcing institutions, an efficient police force, strong surveillance, flow of new anti terrorism and crime legislations as well as strong local enquiry and judicial system to combat terrorism in Karachi or anywhere else for the matter.
Honestly do yourself a favour and do some research on PTI, it might add some life to your arguments.
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*You don't have to worry about that coz you won't be running the country even in your wild fantasies if you are so ridiculously baffled at 'how' governments enforce changes. *
Obviously there'd be a need for strong law enforcing institutions, an efficient police force, strong surveillance, flow of new anti terrorism and crime legislations as well as strong local enquiry and legal system to combat terrorism in Karachi or anywhere for the matter.
Honestly do yourself a favour and do some research on PTI, it might add some life to your arguments.
Excuse Me!!!!! Keep this Tsunami tone with yourself
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Anyway, what MQM's vision for clean sweeping terrorism from the City, apart from calling for ethnic bloodshed?
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Excuse Me!!!!! Keep this Tsunami tone with yourself
My response was as good as the post I was quoting.
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No party has any frikkin agenda here. All parties are playing ethnic cards (PMLN Punjab, ANP Pakhtoon, PPP sindh, MQM mohajir) and PTI is the only party playing pakistani cards. A refreshing approach.
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My response was as good as the post I was quoting.
be with it, this is not a PTI Jalsa or Imran Khan's home where one can throw personal attacks. At least learn, how to address people while discussing an issue. Inqilaab need sabr, which is absent in youth following so called inqilabi parties. period.
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whats PTI's stance over the statement by TTP to attack PPP, ANP & MQM BTW?
Imran Khan has condemned the attacks on political parties and he is also creating awareness amongst the people urging them to shun parties with militant wings.
As far as Karachi is concerned, what can be said and done when all the stake holders have militant wings and are responsible for the woes of the city. Its a shame that the three main stake holders were in goverment and they allowed the city to descend into chaos. Now bail the culprits out and lay blame on the one who has no stake in the city (at present) or power to change anything there.
Its convenient to blame a person for all the ills in the country although he has never remained in government.
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be with it, this is not a PTI Jalsa or Imran Khan's home where one can throw personal attacks. At least learn, how to address people while discussing an issue. Inqilaab need sabr, which is absent in youth following so called inqilabi parties. period.
I differ with you brother on one premise. The personal attacks you mentioned are not personal mostly. They are targetted at their political approach and acts during governments. They will be personal if IK starts mentioning SS's numerous marriages or NS's approaches towards Kim Barker or so on and so forth. Discussing their projects is anyone's right.
But coining catchy names, yeah I dont like it either :)
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be with it, this is not a PTI Jalsa or Imran Khan's home where one can throw personal attacks. At least learn, how to address people while discussing an issue. Inqilaab need sabr, which is absent in youth following so called inqilabi parties. period.
There's a difference between having sabr and being plain old miserable and spreading negativity and misinformation. This is something the youth of Pakistan is under no obligation to make way for and good for them. I apologise for my behaviour, I swear I would've employed some formality if I was aware that I am indeed discussing an 'issue' here. Criticism for sake of criticism seriously disgust me at times.
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Thanks Ali and Shoaib. please carry on the discussion. I have had enough for a week :)