Whatever point you made was neither relevant, accurate or rational. I backed my assessment with presenting the changing local realities and knowledge of the rapidly altering situation in the country. You on the other hand just wanted to disgorge the rhetorical gimmickry of ‘real world’ to please your own self, and discard a different point of view. I think TuQ’s movement is entering a new phase, and while you think it is over. Well is is certainly not over until the old man says its over.
I am so sorry but your above paragraph shows your profound ignorance on Pakistan affairs. I don’t even know where to start. You obviously have no real knowledge or understanding of the local situation, and even I would feel quite stupid if I as a Pakistani, sitting in the West had to make sweeping generalisation about volatile political situation in Kerala, and pass baseless judgements.
Well, quote what part of my point you think was irrational, irrelevent and not accurate. May be i will paraphrase it for you in simpler english or language of your choice. I cant be explaining you everything.
You seem to have your antagonist agenda against IK and TuQ, and that seems to the crux of all your arguments. A lot has changed in Pakistan since last 70 days. The Status Quo has been exposed and weakened. It took these so called ‘dime a dozen’ jalsas to single handily make the self proclaimed popularly elected government so unpopular after mere 16 months of elections. The country is naturally heading towards mid term elections. There is so much public awareness and pressure on the government to act. Nawaz Sharif’s government’s central authority is in tatters. Its legitimacy to rule is under question. Fractions have appeared in Nawas League and PPP. MQM has decided to quit Sindh government (seemingly for good as it appears). So much public awareness has been raised on people’s rights, financial corruption, VIP culture, dynastic nepotism, politicians’ personal business empires, police brutality, electoral rigging, misuse of public funds, misplaced priority and blatant abuse of power. One can be a corny old arm chair critic, have a laugh and take a tartly swipe, but for my country, such massive scale awareness and proper opposition to the government was desperately needed. It certainly means a LOT. The eruption of passionate public engagement with politics is highly encouraging. Such episodes are a hallmark of robust democracies. Cynics can look away or just go away.
Sigh, read again, i said 45 days, not 70. You cannot selectively read and interpret yourself. ask me to help if you want. FYI the status quo has re established itself through its stooges. It got weakened after PPP and PML govt. You dont know your history do you? The country has seen it before and will see it again if IK manages to negotiate its way to the govt. He was the first one to support the coup when Mushi took over, he is just against NS because of the way NS used to treat him when he was a cricketer. Plus he is power hungry. He can do anything to come in power for once in his life. The old man is so desperate to marry a girl old enough to be his daughter that he wants end the dharna himself.
And what makes you think that PPP and MQM manovering has anything to do with intent of this so called drama of IK.
Dont make any assumptions, though I dont worship IK or TUQ i have nothing against them. I just dont like the hand inside those puppets.
You got it wrong again. His jalsas are actually his election campaign. PPP has also reluctantly joined the bandwagon of rallies, and it is matter of time before JI and MQM also start doing their bit.
Oh so now it is election campaign, i thought it was to bring change and to get him married.
I did not get personal. I just commented on your hackneyed attempt at patronising. I neither care how old you are nor my age should be any of your concern, or point of argument. If it makes you feel better, I had already told you that for all Pakistanis under the age of 35 (which is basically more than half of our population) such eruption of political passion surrounded by a popular cause and leader indeed something very new and very well received. And your point is? Gratuitous cynicism.
You are getting personal since your first post and you know it. You want to live off the nice behaviour of other people. Typical PTI attitude, the entire campaign is based on hollow grounds with no idology behind, its own supporters dont know if they are doing dharna, jalsa, portest, rally or a march. And they dont even know if they are doing it for naya pakistan, for imran’s marrige, for one month resignation of PM, or for asset declaration of NS. When you are devoid of ideology then you start making personal campaings . See Jasoos’s DP for an example
I don’t know if you thought you are making a very clever remark, but you are actually proving my point. In case you have zero knowledge on matters relating to ground realities, anti Musharaff protests were an absolute success story. Considering it was a basically a tiny segment of civil society that managed to bring down a powerful dictator without any widespread violence or civil war is deeply impressive and such a reassuring aspect of our history. Especially more so when bearing in mind that the violent mess some of the Middle East countries have turned into as a result of their respective public movements to to get rid of dictators. The history of Europe and the current situation in the Middle East has certainly made Pakistan’s journey of ousting a military dictator simply through public pressure, a fairytale of some sort. So I don’t know what you were trying to prove by ‘oh the country has seen anti Musharraf protest so let’s discredit Imran’s movement’, if anything the country is largely quite inspired by the episode and pleased with the final outcome.
It is a ridiculous assertion. A laughable argument. They have resigned, whether their resignation is accepted or not is not their problem. But I tell you what would a normal thing to do: the speaker to accept their resignations! The responsibility lies on Nawaz Sharif’s government and let them deal with. And before you realised an outcry that PTI has went to court on all matters, then let me remind you, PTI went to court for electoral rigging, police brutality, and PM’s blatant lying in parliament floor. Hardly non-serious or all the issues as claimed by you. Clearly, unlike their opportunistic critics, they know how to prioritise issues, and I hope they continue with this practice.
Again, you have proven your lack of knoledge of how real world works. I guess you really thought ik meant ns’s dhoti was wet due to sweat. Sorry but i cant type the same thing third times. For starters, ask them to stop using protocol and stop drawing salary.
I am not twisting anything. You simply lied and exposed your ignorance on Pakistan affairs. You lied and said PTI was supposed to meet their coalition partners and who knows when the day will come, whereas in actual fact, PTI had met JI long time ago and decided not to break away from KPK government. In other news, even Nawaz League had decided not to dislodge KPK government by pushing the no confidence vote. I think no one wants PTI to leave KPK.
**Me lieing?? Who are you, Imran Khan?? Now you are making accusications without knowledge and any basis. If i was like you then i would have said that You are really IK in disguise. Only he makes accusitions of people he doesnt know, of topics he has zero knowledge of, of thing he has zero proof of and without thinking twice. **But sorry i cant stoop down to burger level.
Yes but I do appreciate Khattak, and Siraj ul Haq and other PTI members who decided against breaking up of KPK government, I didn’t want PTI to do that and so did the local public and many other PTI supporters and sympathisers.
** Thanks for understanding at least this one. Khattak’s only achievement as politician is that he stood with PTI party against dictatorship of IK.**
Can you please stop lying and making things up. When did PTI protest in front of the GHQ? Do you even know what GHQ is and where it is located?
Everyone knows where GHQ is, it was attacked also so i think its pretty known place. Whats a lie about it? Ask me to intrepret if you need my help. I can do that so you can stop making accusitions based on your little knowledge. I never said PTI protested in front of GHQ, point it out in my post or stop posting miss. Sigh, let me know if you want me to translate this in urdu.
The fact that IK originally did not campaign for ousting of entire government cabinet shows he believes in democracy. The reason why he wants NS to go, even just for a month, is simply because he believes NS and his dictatorial ways, monarchical attitude is the single biggest hurdle to the system and any judicial inquiry that may follow. For sake of state institutions to operate independently, that man has to be off the scene. Nawas’s outing would be a symbolic yet the most potent blow to this corrupt system.
Lol, not worth reply
However, I must suggest you should not be so impressed by the saris he had sent out to Modi. Read a book or two about Nawas Sharif’s character, his fat record of misgovernance, his abuse of state institutions, and his corrupt dealing by independent non Pakistani writers. Afterall, we are talking about a failed politician whose government was ousted twice by mid term, once by a civilian opposition and secondly by military, and even his third term is all set to meet similar fate. Hard to understand why Indians really love this buffoon?
** . Phew, who says i am NS fan. I know more about him then you and i am not a fan. Just to make it clear, i am not in Noora league, i am not hater of the Imran Godsmith, i am not hater of TUQ, I am not in love with PPP
He is figting Nawaz Sharif’s system. The system that gave birth to him and the system that protects him, and the system that ensures his illegitimate coming to power, delays and denies justice. If they didn’t have any trust in the democratic system, they wouldn’t be putting everything in line to have electoral rigging investigated. Sorry, there is so much to democracy than licking the walls of this godless temple to fool the ignorant public.
Lol, NS didnt make any system, he is just product of it just like IK himself is a new poster boy of the real system.
These hallow, superficial rhetoric have been dismissed by the Pakistani public, even if Imran is a black sheep and outsider to the parliament, Pakistanis can see that those who claim to be the owners of that so called temple of democracy have done nada to utilise the platform to talk about their issues and bring relief. If anything Parliamentary floor has been used to blatantly lie, degrade the army in order to deliberately into a direct confrontation, wholeheartedly condemn Imran’s dead dog, bash an ordinary citizen who stood up against VIP culture, and demonise all protesters as terrorists and fascists.
Here comes the contemptuous character assassination. Yeah the Boots, yada yada yada. The Boots easily ignored at least five instances where they could’ve imposed a coup, so it is about time, people le go of this paranoia spewing charade. If it was all about coming to power, then even that option was presented to him by Nawaz League. He could’ve taken the spot of Deputy PM or he could’ve made a coalition with Zardari to bring down Nawaz Sharif. He could’ve accepted the offer Gen. Shareef made the offer. If he wants to struggle and struggle hard to get into power, then what is so wrong about that? He is entitled to have this ambition, and if he is willing to play hard for it, good for him. If people want to be upset over it and present as a cardinal sin, then that’s their problem.
Even boots have their masters. dont forget that. Boots wanted to but couldnt impose the coup because the puppets couldnt muster the promised numbers, NS stood strong, PPP decided to stand with democratic govt, public was still largely supporting NS and above all “they” didnt want boots to take over.
Before I go forward to quote another statement from you, I must say that I am sorry to burst your bubble, but you seem mistaken as well. Whatever Imran or TuQ are doing are their democratic right. Pakistan’s constitution allows public to hold rallies and protests. There is absolutely nothing criminal about that. Those who have issues with protests and rallies probably don’t understand democracy.
And I frankly find this idea quite pathetic. Switching parties over ideological reasons should be normal. Hashmi brought his own downfall. He earned respect for spilt second when he left PTI, but lost every bit of honour after continuously badmouthing , demonising and criminalising his colleagues without any evidence whatsoever. There should be a difference between civilised goodbyes and new beginnings, and riotous betrayal and double dealings.
** Lol, when was a politician switched party based on ideological reasons? You are so naieve, and if what you say so is what you believe in then why give flak to JH? Dont make any mistakes, the only people who joined PTI based on ideology is the grass root karkoon, rest are girgits. I mean ideology and Shiekh Rasheed dont even go in same sentence. I know he is not PTI but he his big in pti.**
These opportunistic arm chair critics are just as annoying and largely useless as the tiny minority that physically attacks people and buildings. Both bring no good to the table.
** oh, the bad guys are tiny minority syndrome. Cant argue with it.**
Of course, the trolls who predicted the coming of marital law, movement not lasting more than three days, civil war, end of IK’s career, fall of K2 and alien invasion as result of these protests as are still here, so chances are you’ll be seen around as well.