PTI to end sit-in if PM reveals all assets

[Jolie]

Re: PTI to end sit-in if PM reveals all assets

@kaka_in_usa

**Well my reply was directed towards your totally off track reply. I was telling you what the situation and decision of TUQ meant in real politics but you got personal. **

Whatever point you made was neither relevant, accurate or rational. I backed my assessment with presenting the changing local realities and knowledge of the rapidly altering situation in the country. You on the other hand just wanted to disgorge the rhetorical gimmickry of ‘real world’ to please your own self, and discard a different point of view. I think TuQ’s movement is entering a new phase, and while you think it is over. Well is is certainly not over until the old man says its over.

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**On topic, nothing has been changing or developing since last 45 days. Situation today is no different then what it was month and half ago. Though i agree that for first 15 days things were changing very fast but in the end it resulted nothing. TUQ couldnt achieve what he came for and now he has fallen back on normal jalsas which are dime a dozen in pakistan. **If you dont believe me then lets wait and watch.

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I am so sorry but your above paragraph shows your profound ignorance on Pakistan affairs. I don’t even know where to start. You obviously have no real knowledge or understanding of the local situation, and even I would feel quite stupid if I as a Pakistani, sitting in the West had to make sweeping generalisation about volatile political situation in Kerala, and pass baseless judgements.

You seem to have your antagonist agenda against IK and TuQ, and that seems to the crux of all your arguments. A lot has changed in Pakistan since last 70 days. The Status Quo has been exposed and weakened. It took these so called ‘dime a dozen’ jalsas to single handily make the self proclaimed popularly elected government so unpopular after mere 16 months of elections. The country is naturally heading towards mid term elections. There is so much public awareness and pressure on the government to act. Nawaz Sharif’s government’s central authority is in tatters. Its legitimacy to rule is under question. Fractions have appeared in Nawas League and PPP. MQM has decided to quit Sindh government (seemingly for good as it appears). So much public awareness has been raised on people’s rights, financial corruption, VIP culture, dynastic nepotism, politicians’ personal business empires, police brutality, electoral rigging, misuse of public funds, misplaced priority and blatant abuse of power. One can be a corny old arm chair critic, have a laugh and take a tartly swipe, but for my country, such massive scale awareness and proper opposition to the government was desperately needed. It certainly means a LOT. The eruption of passionate public engagement with politics is highly encouraging. Such episodes are a hallmark of robust democracies. Cynics can look away or just go away.

***TUQ couldnt achieve what he came for and now he has fallen back on normal jalsas which are dime a dozen in **pakistan. *If you dont believe me then lets wait and watch.

You got it wrong again. His jalsas are actually his election campaign. PPP has also reluctantly joined the bandwagon of rallies, and it is matter of time before JI and MQM also start doing their bit.

Baji, you are getting personal again, lets just discuss my opinion instead of my personality. FYI, this is not new, older members can tell you that they have seen this before, be it Iconic Zulficar Ali Bhutto, Bibi, Nawaz Sharif long march or Anti mushi protests, the nation has seen it all and on huge scale. No one is surprised, many posters had predicted that either army will entervine or nothing will happen and thats exactly what happened. There was no third way i.e. NS resigning out of concience and pressure.

I did not get personal. I just commented on your hackneyed attempt at patronising. I neither care how old you are nor my age should be any of your concern, or point of argument. If it makes you feel better, I had already told you that for all Pakistanis under the age of 35 (which is basically more than half of our population) such eruption of political passion surrounded by a popular cause and leader indeed something very new and very well received. And your point is? Gratuitous cynicism.

or Anti mushi protests, the nation has seen it all and on huge scale.

I don’t know if you thought you are making a very clever remark, but you are actually proving my point. In case you have zero knowledge on matters relating to ground realities, anti Musharaff protests were an absolute success story. Considering it was a basically a tiny segment of civil society that managed to bring down a powerful dictator without any widespread violence or civil war is deeply impressive and such a reassuring aspect of our history. Especially more so when bearing in mind that the violent mess some of the Middle East countries have turned into as a result of their respective public movements to to get rid of dictators. The history of Europe and the current situation in the Middle East has certainly made Pakistan’s journey of ousting a military dictator simply through public pressure, a fairytale of some sort. So I don’t know what you were trying to prove by ‘oh the country has seen anti Musharraf protest so let’s discredit Imran’s movement’, if anything the country is largely quite inspired by the episode and pleased with the final outcome.

Its not laughable if you know how things work. If they want to resign and their resignation is not being accepted then go to court. That is normal thing to do. Plus why draw salary and not resign from the only place that mattered. Where resignations were submitted were insignificant. IK’s resignation is the most meaningless as ne barely attend parliament anyways. On top of that Rasheed didnt resign and they are still pitching their horses in by elections.

It is a ridiculous assertion. A laughable argument. They have resigned, whether their resignation is accepted or not is not their problem. But I tell you what would a normal thing to do: the speaker to accept their resignations! The responsibility lies on Nawaz Sharif’s government and let them deal with. And before you realised an outcry that PTI has went to court on all matters, then let me remind you, PTI went to court for electoral rigging, police brutality, and PM’s blatant lying in parliament floor. Hardly non-serious or all the issues as claimed by you. Clearly, unlike their opportunistic critics, they know how to prioritise issues, and I hope they continue with this practice.

***Twist it any which way you want but they will not resign from KpK. IT generates most revenue for the party and the only place which actually matters. SUH played them well and stood his ground, kudos to SUH and Khattak who stood against IK. ***

I am not twisting anything. You simply lied and exposed your ignorance on Pakistan affairs. You lied and said PTI was supposed to meet their coalition partners and who knows when the day will come, whereas in actual fact, PTI had met JI long time ago and decided not to break away from KPK government. In other news, even Nawaz League had decided not to dislodge KPK government by pushing the no confidence vote. I think no one wants PTI to leave KPK.

Yes but I do appreciate Khattak, and Siraj ul Haq and other PTI members who decided against breaking up of KPK government, I didn’t want PTI to do that and so did the local public and many other PTI supporters and sympathisers.

***Not, all wrong, if they are committed to democracy then they would have protested in front of GHQ who is the third umpire IK talked about. ***

Can you please stop lying and making things up. When did PTI protest in front of the GHQ? Do you even know what GHQ is and where it is located?

***Dont forget that IK wants only NS to resign till the enqiry, he didnt say anything about the govt to go, its all about personal grudge against NS, he even said that he would be fine if NS resigns or goes on leave of just one month. Tell me how is it fighting a system, its fighting a man. ***

The fact that IK originally did not campaign for ousting of entire government cabinet shows he believes in democracy. The reason why he wants NS to go, even just for a month, is simply because he believes NS and his dictatorial ways, monarchical attitude is the single biggest hurdle to the system and any judicial inquiry that may follow. For sake of state institutions to operate independently, that man has to be off the scene. Nawas’s outing would be a symbolic yet the most potent blow to this corrupt system.

However, I must suggest you should not be so impressed by the saris he had sent out to Modi. Read a book or two about Nawas Sharif’s character, his fat record of misgovernance, his abuse of state institutions, and his corrupt dealing by independent non Pakistani writers. Afterall, we are talking about a failed politician whose government was ousted twice by mid term, once by a civilian opposition and secondly by military, and even his third term is all set to meet similar fate. Hard to understand why Indians really love this buffoon?

Tell me how is it fighting a system, its fighting a man. But it is just a fact, not a fantasy which many people tend to believe. Trust me, i know what a democratic system is. And if they wanted to show so much trust in democratic system then they would have used democratic means to bring change instead of attacking the temples of demorcacy

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He is figting Nawaz Sharif’s system. The system that gave birth to him and the system that protects him, and the system that ensures his illegitimate coming to power, delays and denies justice. If they didn’t have any trust in the democratic system, they wouldn’t be putting everything in line to have electoral rigging investigated. Sorry, there is so much to democracy than licking the walls of this godless temple to fool the ignorant public.

These hallow, superficial rhetoric have been dismissed by the Pakistani public, even if Imran is a black sheep and outsider to the parliament, Pakistanis can see that those who claim to be the owners of that so called temple of democracy have done nada to utilise the platform to talk about their issues and bring relief. If anything Parliamentary floor has been used to blatantly lie, degrade the army in order to deliberately into a direct confrontation, wholeheartedly condemn Imran’s dead dog, bash an ordinary citizen who stood up against VIP culture, and demonise all protesters as terrorists and fascists.

And if they wanted to show so much trust in democratic system then they would have used democratic means to bring change instead of attacking the temples of demorcacy. Its all about how to get the old man in power. IK can do anything and deal with any one (boots, millitants or turncoats) to get in power.

Here comes the contemptuous character assassination. Yeah the Boots, yada yada yada. The Boots easily ignored at least five instances where they could’ve imposed a coup, so it is about time, people le go of this paranoia spewing charade. If it was all about coming to power, then even that option was presented to him by Nawaz League. He could’ve taken the spot of Deputy PM or he could’ve made a coalition with Zardari to bring down Nawaz Sharif. He could’ve accepted the offer Gen. Shareef made the offer. If he wants to struggle and struggle hard to get into power, then what is so wrong about that? He is entitled to have this ambition, and if he is willing to play hard for it, good for him. If people want to be upset over it and present as a cardinal sin, then that’s their problem.

Before I go forward to quote another statement from you, I must say that I am sorry to burst your bubble, but you seem mistaken as well. Whatever Imran or TuQ are doing are their democratic right. Pakistan’s constitution allows public to hold rallies and protests. There is absolutely nothing criminal about that. Those who have issues with protests and rallies probably don’t understand democracy.

Also switching party is not normal for big leaders and when they do they get a lot of flak. Ask poor Javed Hashmi.

And I frankly find this idea quite pathetic. Switching parties over ideological reasons should be normal. Hashmi brought his own downfall. He earned respect for spilt second when he left PTI, but lost every bit of honour after continuously badmouthing , demonising and criminalising his colleagues without any evidence whatsoever. There should be a difference between civilised goodbyes and new beginnings, and riotous betrayal and double dealings.

Arm chair critics are better than people who use physical voilence and destroy pillars of democracy, be it parliament, supreme court (pajama court) or media.

These opportunistic arm chair critics are just as annoying and largely useless as the tiny minority that physically attacks people and buildings. Both bring no good to the table.

Well, you are here and so am i, lets see if IK ends his dharna with the condition that NS resigns or not. Till then its just words against facts.

Of course, the trolls who predicted the coming of marital law, movement not lasting more than three days, civil war, end of IK’s career, fall of K2 and alien invasion as result of these protests as are still here, so chances are you’ll be seen around as well.