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Punjab is treated as part of pakistan baluchistan doesn;t enjoy the same kind of treatment:
sample this:
Mushy gets atatcked twice in punjab u never hear any carpet bombing of any region in punjab by PAF
Mushy gets attackes in baluchistan well carpet bombing by PAf follows..
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Go home and talk about two dozen insugencies in your country.
Exactly pal you talk with them you give them their democratic rights you dont carpet bomb ur own people..
my two cents
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^^ ganguly, the 'true freind' of all Pakistanis, please don't ruin this thread. Mods will delete posts. Go talk about Assam and Kashmir.
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yup we are talking and advice you to do the same not carpet-bomb..
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Ok Mr. Ganguly. Pakistan is a place where minorities are not treated fairly. Happy now?
Provincial autonomy is a misnomer. We should talk about local rule. Now that means power moves out of Islamabad, and moves down to Quetta. However the process of local rule shouldn’t stop there. It should move further down to Sibbi or Chaman.
I feel that provincial leaders are a bit of hypocrites themselves. They want Islamabad to give up its power but the same group is unwilling to share power within their own province.
I do not see (and i may be ignorant), a single proposal where the three levels of administration i.e. District, province and feds working hand in hand for developing new roads, schools and colleges in Balochistan.
How many times a tribal has to blow up a gas line before realizing that gas royalties merely bring money for the warlords. It does not translate into better roads, or schools, or colleges.
For schools and colleges you need new teachers and a lot of students from other states. That is how you cultivate an environment based on respect, and education.
However Sindh (Interior) and Balochistan both have poor record for being the magnets for big name schools, faculty, and students.
Who stops Bugti, Mumtaz Bhutto and other war lords from giving inexpensive land for LUMS-2 in Quetta?
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^^ Important points. The whole exercise of devolution will be meaningless if the units don't empower their units. In recent past, we have seen provincial administrations on a collision course with district administrations. The units within the units have to be empowered. The introduction of district governing bodies is a positive step. Poverty-stricken districts should be given more resources. But the government (federal, provincial, local) can only play a limited role. Private investors/local leaders have to take initiative as well. If warlords in South Wazirstan and Sui can buy huge arms cache, why can't they build a university there? The people trained from these universities/colleges can go to places like Gawadar to occupy important posts. The governments won't have to hire any foreign firms. But there is a disadvantage for the warlords: Their loyalists would wither away. It is little wonder that they would prefer their arms cache and loyalties of innocent/untrained/uneducated people.
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Bhindi, don’t come here and bull****!
Jinnah was a very pro-indian federation person and you go ask your indian analysts like Paraful Bidwai among others who will tell you that it was wrong of Nehru and Sardar Patel to not allow provincial autonomy back then (fully centralized indian administration they wanted which showed up when they tried to impose one language in the country as indians say).
Had they agreed to the demands of Jinnah about more autonomy for E. and W. Pakistan (then india) then Partition wouldn’t happen!
But an RSS hate monger like you wouldn’t understand, would it? 
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Bidwai is communist and since when communist's views became relevant in democratic matters............
Jinah didn;t only want autnomy his demands were minimum 1/3rd muslim ministers and legislative members in each and every state whether it has any significant muslim population or not but he was not willing to offer the same for non-muslims that is 1/3rd mnister and member in regions where muslim were in iverwhelming majority........ nto only that his demands were eahc and evry state should be free to separate from federeation whenver they liked it.....
My point is if Jinnah really belives in autonomy why did he not grant that to east pakistan bangaldesh why did he not grant that to other prpovinces in west pakistan even today baluchistan are fihgting just for the basic rights which a state has in federation over the natural resources in its own boundary.. talk of double-talk and jiinah saheb takes the cake...........
If Praful bidwai had his way eh wud have much rather liked fractured india in 100 small pieces comunists view are worth not even a cent in democratic matters
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Provincial autonomy is a misnomer. We should talk about local rule. Now that means power moves out of Islamabad, and moves down to Quetta. However the process of local rule shouldn't stop there. It should move further down to Sibbi or Chaman.
So funny yet on that misnomer only Jinnah saheb asked for partition.......
Jinnah saheb's other master-trokes were.. No division for punjab and bengal based on hindu and muslim majority area but there must be bifurcation of sindh from mumbai presidency.......... I meanwhere is consistency in these demands...
His another marvel was 1/3rd muslim member and minister in all states but he didn't grant the same luxury for nonmuslims in muslim majority provinces.....
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Congress governments of post-partition india were leftist socialists (as are the allies of it in government). The governments in bengal, tamil nadus and the south are one of the only communist / leftist governments so who are you kidding?
And how does E. Pakistan come in all this? 
Btw, the lahore resolution had that distinction of allow two state’s’ not one state at the northwest and northeast corner of India!
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I've never understood this peculiar mindset in Pakistan..yes local government does improve service delivery to people..but that really isn't the pro babus problem..give the provinces their rights and let them decide how to deal with local issues..if they are smart they will devolve powers..if they aren't they won't, the complaints about what provinces do with their powers.. is a classic case of ignoring ones own faults and complaining about someone elses..
The LG excuse is also an example of distraction done by fauji governments in particular..Ayub held LG elections of sorts..to create a support base he could manipulate (which he did ensuring the founder of our Nations sister lost a rigged election), Zia held local elections using the accountability excuse ..and then creating a generation of corrupt politicians like the Nawaz Sharifs of this world..finally Mush did the same promising devolution to the provinces would happen once his LG system was kicking, now I can say with confidence a new generation of corrupt has been created in the recent elections and the promise of provincial rights has been forgotten once again..
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There are parallels with the Bangladesh breakaway but a number of factors differ from the 1971 scenario Bengalis enjoyed a homogenous culture and language, were ethnically uniform and had an undisputed leader. The people of Baluchistan are more diverse: the territory contains ethnic groups that speak languages other than Baluchi (Brohi-, Sindhi-, and Saraiki-speakers from the provincial borders, Urdu-speaking Muhajirs who came from India, and settlers of Punjabi origin). These non-Baluchi speakers are better educated, like being Pakistanis and tend to dislike the “savages” from the hills.
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socialism and comunism is two very distinct thing pal...
fact remains jinnah saheb and pakistanrather allow break-up of pakistan than give autonomy to provinces whihc is against their demand for the federal india before partition
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those savages are majority and native population… even Bush things home mulism umma are savages u thinkin like bush buddy:-)
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Never been to balochistan and aevein bakwaas karna that you know the ethnic composition of balochistan?
Jinnah wasn’t even present for One Unit let alone 1971 and you drag him along?
Typical dirty gujju mentality of sludging facts!!! :yukh:
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Bengalis were also more politically motivated and more educated than the tribal balochis!
Offcourse the grassroots campaign in bengal along with a HUGE POPULATION (one of the KEYs) along with distance from W. Pakistan helped their cause!
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You are talking about provincial rights yet you forget local rights!
Feds need to give power to provincials and provincials need to give it to locals!
For example, in Pak there is senate on national level yet nothing of that sort on provincial level so in sindh in cities like karachi, they don’t fair representation in a senate as sindhis will edge them (being the population of rural sindh).
Look at the american sytem and learn Zakk!
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bangaldesh literacy rate is higher than pakistan and female literacy is much much higher than pakistan.. no doubt they were better informed society..
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pakistan's population is 166 million, baluchistan's population is 7 million and baluchi ethnic group comprises of 3.57 percent to me this data says baluchistan is predominalty baluchi speaking population ........to cal them svages from hills smacks of bush-speak which u guys hate so much
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bangaldesh literacy rate is higher than pakistana dna female literacy is much much higher than pakistan.. no doubt they were better informed society..
pakistan's population is 166 million, baluchistan's population is 7 million and baluchi ethnic group comprises of 3.57 percent to me this data sats baluchistan is predominalty baluchi speaking population ........
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pakistan's population is 166 million, baluchistan's population is 7 million and baluchi ethnic group comprises of 3.57 percent to me this data sats baluchistan is predominalty baluchi speaking population ........
According to CIA gov website, Bangladesh is not that better in literacy compared to Pak!