Prove to me that there is no Allah

[diwana]

Was addressed to fairytale not you .........

Sorry thought you were talking about the argument by fairytale (about Design argument).

About the topic of the title, first of all I am agnostic not an atheist. Now in the question "Prove there is no Allah", please define "Allah" for everyone. What an atheist will tell you about this question is that you cannot prove an unprovable and that burden of proof lies with someone making a claim.

Here is the crux of this discussion. The very reason you cannot claim God exists is the same reason people cannot claim it doesn't. Because God by definition is immeasurable, and as proofs requires tangible/measurable data. Hence, the question to prove or disprove existense of God is fundamentally flawed.

Its OK. :-)

Absolutely agreed. Glad to see you said both 'prove or disprove'.

This issue can only be settled if as I mentioned in my first post, we start looking away from trying to 'prove' or 'disprove' on the basis of scientific basis or logic. Its merely a matter of belief and accepting by heart if supreme being is actually present or not.

There are many many flaws even in religious doctrines if one really looks in purely logical way.

The major flaw in not believing however is that there exist well defined, very much organized universe(es) and it will be hard to believe if this was the result of a bang or accident.

Moreover, there are a lot of phenomenon which can not be explained by human brain and even simple phenomenon of start/beginning of heart beat in an infant in uterus cannot be explained why and how? yes its all about electrolytes and their balance but what starts it???

Why a certain arrangement of molecules of DNA (carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and hydrogen) however simple, is capable of begin a whole life or personality etc. Cloning method requires a single strand of DNA only; which when combined with another counterpart automatically starts an organism...

We say electron has negative charge, positron is positive. Exactly same but merely have different charges and attract each other.

SO WHAT IS 'CHARGE'?? Can it be defined?

Atheists cannot explain and finally say it just is!

My point is even so called purely scientific people believe in something and accept something as IS, PRESENT.
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Someone said. *If you can 'understand' God then it must not be God.
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**No one can be certain to implant this belief in someone's head/heart by logical arguments but its alright if people do try out of their good convictions.

[psyah]

Considering that the razor is often wielded as an argument against theism, why don't you make your point about God's existense based on Occam's razor and we will continue from there.

BTW, another interesting argument comes similar to the Heisenberg's uncertainty principle (applied to Theology here). It is thought that an all powerful, all knowing God that is ever present beyond our space/time, ceases to be ever present as soon as he interferes in our space/time (by becoming part of it).

Peace american pie

Yes ... Occam's razor has been used by both theists and atheists. It is erroneously used by the latter. The principle of Occam's Razor is that if two models are being compared with one another the one that has the greater number of unnecessary points should be left in favour of the more simpler theory.

Monotheism is therefore argued in favour over Pantheism likewise the atheists try to convince that no God is hence simpler than 1 God and hence not required. I allude to Einstein here where he says a good theory is the simplest one that covers the most complex issues but no simpler. Even Kant argues against the impracticality of the concept of Occam.

By rejecting God more unknowns are created and more theories are required, I think without God we move to multi-dimensional theoretical physics without any evidence.

[afishcurry]

Re: Prove to me that there is no Allah

Burden of proof is on those who believe there is Allah not the other way around..