I ask that this not turn into a debate over whether God does or does not exist. I have heard plenty about atheism, and now I’d like to hear Islam’s defense against that opinion. Do not be offended by my confusedness and disbelief or by the questions I may ask. I am not an ignorant person and I am willing to learn. Please excuse me if I question what you say - I’m only doing it to better understand.
I ask that you all prove to me that Allah exists through reasoning that can be found other than Scripture (i.e. Quran/Hadhees). I need something concrete. Some sort of confirmation - anything, big or small - that can prove to me that this is real.
Once again, I am not here to offend anyone. I am simply trying to seek the truth.
Although NOT a Muslim but believing in the same God, hope you do not mind me responding as well.
Your question makes it impossible for your thread NOT to turn into such a debate.
Some positive reasoning that requires God as per an article from Dr. Schaefer:
*Let me begin with five traditional arguments for the existence of God. It may seem an unlikely starting point for this topic, but I think you’ll see as time goes on that these arguments keep coming up. I’m not going to comment right away on whether these arguments are valid or not, but I will state them because throughout astrophysical literature these arguments are often referred to:
The cosmological argument: the effect of the universe’s existence must have a suitable cause.
The teleological argument: the design of the universe implies a purpose or direction behind it.
The rational argument: the operation of the universe, according to order and natural law, implies a mind behind it.
The ontological argument: man’s ideas of God (his God-consciousness) implies a God who imprinted such a consciousness.
The moral argument: man’s built-in sense of right and wrong can be accounted for only by an innate awareness of a code of law–an awareness implanted by a higher being.*
From a negative reasoning: NO scientist can state that there is no God because it would be unscientific to make the statement! Scientists HAVE to work with facts and figures. Presently they don’t have the ultimate scientific instruments or all facts of the universe in order to state that they “can’t find God”. Any scientist making such a statement is making a statement of “faith” because he can’t prove/disprove his statement.
I ask that you all prove to me that Allah exists through reasoning that can be found other than Scripture (i.e. Quran/Hadhees). I need something concrete. Some sort of confirmation - anything, big or small - that can prove to me that this is real.
Once again, I am not here to offend anyone. I am simply trying to seek the truth.
You said you do not believe in Allah;
However you are now searching............ did the search just happen, what brought it on? was it a burning desire to get to the bottom of the mystery that is life inside you and all around you? Is thare an emptiness in your heart, a hunger for making contact with the source of all life?
What thoughts are going through your head? can you tell us?................
I ask that you all prove to me that Allah exists through reasoning that can be found other than Scripture (i.e. Quran/Hadhees). I need something concrete. Some sort of confirmation - anything, big or small - that can prove to me that this is real.
** Once again, I am not here to offend anyone. I am simply trying to seek the truth.**
I was a disbeliever for years --- when I said there was no God.
Because the thing I was told things I learned were not enough.
Every thing I was told, I was able to find a parallel explanation for that.
So I started believing there was no God.
But the on level above after few years I started perceiving God again.
Now my believe is my own and its much stronger then It was.
I can point out few thing which leave no choice for a person other then believing that there is a higher power.
But
at the same time I had some bad experience with hindus they always start with some thing like this
[quote] I am simply trying to seek the truth.
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Next thing you that all they want is to spit out their misinformation about islam.
Sop tell me your back ground if you don't mind.
And How honest you are when you said
[quote] I am simply trying to seek the truth.
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SindSagar,
I began questioning theism after I read a lot about the arguments of atheism and now every time I pick up the Quran, all I can seem to do is read the words and think of the possibility of its legitimacy. (I know that sounds horrible, and I hate to admit it, but that's why I'm here asking for help)
knockout_artist,
I am very confident in finding the truth, be it either one of the choices. As I said, I've strayed from my religion because I learned so much about atheism, and I want to hear what Islam's defense against it is.
Zgard,
Yes, I suppose such arguments regarding how emotions such as love, anger, and fear can not be explained by scientific reasoning do prove that there is some sort of supernatural existence out there. Thankyou for bringing that up.
^mashAllah really good idea, he's a good scholar, Jazak Allah khair for sharing. I hope this helps the person who asked the question and may Allah Ta'ala guide him on to the straight path...ameen
well i dnt know how to make you belive that allah (swt) really exists but for me, my trust in islam increased when i was 9 and when my father passed away....that night i had a dream about seeing a bright light and a voice.....i could understand arabic properly then and when i asked who it is the light repied "it is me allah" i was surprised........after that i woke up......i went and read shukar - a - nay kay naafal and went back to bed hoping id see this dream agen....but i guess its a once in a lifetime thing.......than a couple of days ago i was feeling upset....missing my dad more than ever and i see Porphet Muhammed (pbuh) in my dream wearing a bright white colour but i culd not see his face (mentioned in some films and the quran) and all he said was "do not worry, allah is with you" this increased my faith of islam....and after that i have been a paanch waqt namazee......this is how i know that allah (swt) realli exists.....sry if it didnt help......jst an experience
Beleive me its you yourself who can convince you.
I can only give you a hint, just look at your body from head to toe and think about each parts and their functions.
Can you explain a bit more about that bolded text? "mentioned in some films and the quran". Mentioned what? And which film? About what?
I think he/she is talking about Mustapha Akkad's "The Message"
I don't know why and how I can provide a "proof" to you, I don't have proof myself but believe in the unseen, believe in His signs hence believe in His existence.
How can God punish us for making an incorrect judgement? He is aware of our limited intellect, and how we often make mistakes. So how can he gravely punish us for not believing in something we can't "see"?
Actually problem yea hai ke hum ALlah ko samjhtay hi nahi hai.Humhe yea tasavoor dia jata hai woh khuda hai jo chaan bataoo per naraz hoo jata hai aur marnay ke baat insaan ko jhanum main Daal daita hai.
Lakin Quran ka ALlah ka yea tasavoor nahi hai insaan tu Har na nazar anayee wali choozoo ko apnay mahsoosaty duniya ke tahaat hi daikhta hai.Wase Zaate khudawandee ke tu yea Aqaal idaraak nahi kar sakty lakin Hum is ke sifaat zaroor samjh saktay hai.Mere nazdiyaak is baat ke koi Hamiyaat Nahi Ke Allah kia hai aur wajood kaisa hai woh daikhta kaisa hai Main apnay mahsoosaat ko kisi sachay main Allah ke liye nahi Daalta hoo.Bus ek tairana nazar Kainaat Main ghoomata hoo aur yea samjh kar hi choop hoo jata hoo ke Is kainaat per ek Hi Ila ke hukhmaranai hai aur is ke zaat humhari sooch se bhut hi bulnd hai kion ke hum is mahsoosaaty kainaat ko nahi samjh saktay tu khud ke zaat ke ek makhsoos shakaal main kaisy daal saktay hai.
Jahaan tak is ke sifaat ke baat hai main yea samjhta hoo ke Makhlook apni khaliq k wajood se inkaar kar hi nahi sakty.Os ko is ke sifaat se baqair mahnaat ke dhoop pani hawaa aur bayshoomaar chizain milty hai main tu yea kahta hoo ke ek beech sirf Allah ke Qudraat se hi taanwaar Tree banta hai is per humhari mahnaat shamil hooty hai lakin haqeeqaat main is ko amli jama allah ka qanoon hi pahnaata hai.Is liye Quran Allah ka zikar aisay bahtreenn Alfaz main Karta hai ke is per Aeeman laynay ke liye dunia ka koi bhi Choota sa system daikh laita hoo jis se main Mutmaeen hoo jata hoo ke Humhara Khaliq Allah hi Hai aur woh humhari mahsoosi duniya se bhut Baland aur Balaa hai
Bhai proof tu app ke apni zaat hi dai daity hai.Insaan ke Tasavoor karda bhut se khuda ko daikh lain is ke waja yea hi hai ke is ko Khuda samjh nahi ataa aur jitna bhi ata hai Os se woh is ko bhaagwaan,God ke shalaak day kar ajeeb tasavooraat dai daita hai warna in ek zaat is ko khud bata daity hai ke yahaan sirf ek Hi Ila hai.Lakin woh is ko is liye nahi maanta ke os ke apnay khuda se inkaar karnay ka bahna mil jaata hai ke khuda nazar kion nahi ata jo ke Ila hai Allah hai.
Allah ko tu kisi nay nahi dikha Lakin kia app is se inkaar karain gaye ke Allah nay is kainaat ko nahi banayaa.yea Kainaat khud ba khud wajood main Agayee.Aur phir khud ba khud chaal bhi rahi hai.
Agar app is Kainaat ko Ghoor se daikhain gaye Tu app is haqeeqaat se inkaar kar hi nahi saktay ke Jis Ila ke kainaat itnay wasee o areez hai Bloond o Baala hai woh waqayee main Humhary tasavooraat aur elim se bhut Blund hai.
Main aksaar yea hi Kahta hoo ke Din Aur Allah ka Talooq app ke samjh se hoota hai na ke sooch se soooch insaan ko ajeeb tasavooraat daitay hai jab ke Samjh Elim o burhan ke rahay Khoolty hai.Samjh app per Pabaandi lagaty hai ke App elim ko insaani khidmaat per nichawar karain.Aur koi chistani mafoom paish na karain.Allah yea hi kahta hai
Jis ka elim tum ko na hoo is ke peechay laga hi nahi karoo.is liye main yea samjhta hoo ke Allah ke zaat bhi aisi hi hai chahay tu app ko ek rai ke danay se samjh ajayee nahi ayee tu app is koo kainaat ke khaliq hoonay se hi inkaar dain kion ke app sahab e ikhtiyaar aur airda hai is liye app se app ke amaal ka hisaab hoo ga
Look around if you see a plane, a car, a bus, a ship what comes to your mind, someone has created these machines and their creators do exist, why dont u think same when you see this whole universe you see yourself you see this earth, trees, animals, mountains, etc etc.
