Re: Prove to me that God exists.
Trust me no one can make u believe that god exists. :halo:
ek sher arj hain
Samne hain jo usse log bura khete hain
Jisko dekha hi nahin usko khuda kehte hain:hoonh:
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its erzz not arj
ok munna bhai
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I ask that you all prove to me that Allah exists through reasoning that can be found other than Scripture (i.e. Quran/Hadhees). I need something concrete. Some sort of confirmation - anything, big or small - that can prove to me that this is real.
Once again, I am not here to offend anyone. I am simply trying to seek the truth.
do you admit that humans are never 100 % correct , they make mistakes
ok now come ahead
My first question to the you will be: "What is the definition of God?"
For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God.
If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means.
Similarly for you to say ‘there is no God’, you should at least know the concept of God.
your concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which you lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore you does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.
You demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God.
If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.
*THEORY OF PROBABILITY *
In mathematics there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%.
A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.
Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.
At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc.** Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.**
The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.
Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.
The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess.
It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.
The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered, is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In the English language He is ‘God’, or more appropriate in the Arabic language, ‘ALLAH’.
if You are logical then it is proved to you that God exists
Re: Prove to me that God exists.
ok munna bhai
Thanks mamu. galti se mistake ho gaya tha!!!!
Re: Prove to me that God exists.
I m challenging Any body in the world prove me.There is no God?can anybody do tht :).There is the most silliest question from hazarat e Insaan.I will trying to collect all those Ayaat Where Allah Mention about himself.If there is no God How can this Vast Universe Has Created.How We Born throgh our Parents.Who is Holding All Laws Of nature.Who Guide them.How we Breath How This oxygen came into being.This question hve no limits if some 1 say thah there is no God.Sawallow Ka samndar is khod Dooba kar lay jaye ga:)
Re: Prove to me that God exists.
Imranjaff,
Your question is bit hard to follow. What do you want people to prove...existence or non-existence of God ?
Scientific definition ...Matter or Energy Cannot be created or destroyed it can only be transformed from one form to the other. This supreme power is Nature. Hence Nature is GOD.
Spiritual definition....There is a supreme power running this universe. Sum of cosmic energy never changes although elements and ther proportion alter.
This supreme power is seen by us immortals in different forms and we keep on inventing new ways of defining it i.e. GOD.
Take your take.
Initially I thought you want to 'swallow' a samandar but then I realised it is 'sawaalon':)
Re: Prove to me that God exists.
Your question is bit hard to follow. What do you want people to prove...existence or non-existence of God ?
Scientific definition ...Matter or Energy Cannot be created or destroyed it can only be transformed from one form to the other. This supreme power is Nature. Hence Nature is GOD.
Spiritual definition....There is a supreme power running this universe. Sum of cosmic energy never changes although elements and ther proportion alter.
This supreme power is seen by us immortals in different forms and we keep on inventing new ways of defining it i.e. GOD.
Take your take.
Initially I thought you want to 'swallow' a samandar but then I realised it is 'sawaalon':)
:)
ALlah is every where we cant deny this super natural power.
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Within a space of 9 months a sperm cell and an egg become a human being i.e. you, with a brain developed of the highest complexity. If something as complex as your brain isnt engineered, then tell me what is.
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That's what I have explained in my post...a supreme power defined differently by different people.
Apni Apni dafli apna apna raag :)
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Apni Apni dafli apna apna raag :)
check out my post number 23
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Apni Apni dafli apna apna raag :)
Lakin Khuda ka Tasavoor hum woh hi lain Gaye Jo Allah nay quran main bataya hai.lakin sifaat ke mutaliq hum sab kuch kah saktay yani ke tarifain kar saktay hai.Allah ke Zaat ko koi samjh nahi Sakta lakin Hum is ke Sifaat zaroor samjh saktay hai.Quran main Allah ka ek hi Naam hai Woh Ha Allah.YEa Naam is ke Zaat taak Mahdood hai na hum is ke Zaat ka tasavoor kar saktay hai kion ke Aqal Kool Mahdood hai Aur Allah ke zaat La-mahdood.is liye Allah nay quran main Apni sifaat ka zikar Mukhtalif Alfazoo se kia hai.For EXP
Rahman Rahem Ghafoor SAmi Basit.YEa Allah ke naam nahi Sifaat hai.Allah ka naam sirf Ek hai WOh Hai Allah.Ila Bhi Allah ke Sifaat hai Is ke mean Akeleay kay han
Hope U people Get it
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usmanshahid,
Please provide specific verses in the Quran which you referred to.
Cheegum,
A brain developed with the highest complexity at birth? What makes you say that babies have "highly complex" brains. I would think that the brain develops to become highly complex as the human being ages.
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You're saying babies dont have complex brains? The ability to start learning and storing data, altering its own physical structure to engrave stuff for life. Thats not complex?
If you think a new born baby's brain is not complex at all, why doesnt any human being design one then. Something thats able to grow up, have emotions, can see, smell, touch.. and learns to walk and talk as it grows up.
Re: Prove to me that God exists.
read my post and tell me to which of verse you are asking for
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Lets start this so called "swalon ka samandar" by my first question which is very logical if we follow your questioning theory.
Who created God?
Who created the creator of God? What was the purpose? What acted as catalyst to prompt the creation of God?
Now the whole set of questions for the creator of God and then his creator. So on and so forth till infinity. Just let me know when the swalon ka samander is enough.
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If you were in front of me, I’d slap you on your face. Than I will ask if you felt the pain. Obivously you would say yes. I’d ask you to show me that pain.
I hope you get what I mean 
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^Not a good idea because the slapped person can always slap back to show the pain.
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That would be a feeling not show as in physical, no?
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At least the feel is there to show the proof of its existance, which is not the luxery in the other case.
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^ Well than isn't that the TEST in other case? :)