Proud Pakistani?

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Being proud of someone or something doesn't mean you must hate anything else or everything opposing.

I'm proud of Pakistan, but not of everything Pakistani. For one thing, I like our clothes, but only if I can choose to wear them, I was forced to wear shalwar kameez at school, kids were always teasing me about my clothes, even in our own neighbourhood. I was the only Paki in my school. At those times, I have hated shalwar kameez, but when I can choose, I do like it. I can be proud of our clothes.

I'm proud of our culture, we have many amazing things. But I'm not proud of the negative side. I've had family problems, because I wanted a divorce and my family was against it. At those times I have even hated Pakistan. I think I was transferring my anger and hatred of my family towards entire Pakistan, while not every Pakistani is negative.

Besides, if I hate Pakistan, I'd hate myself. And I shouldn't forget the positive things of Pakistan, we do have many positive aspects of our culture. So I'm proud of the positive things of Pakistan. I wasn't born in Pakistan, so I can't feel 100% Pakistani. There are many things I don't understand. I just didn't have the same experience of being a Pakistani as people who born there or spend time there every year. I do feel Pakistani, but I also feel a part Dutch, because I was born in Holland. So I'm used to many aspects of Dutch culture.
I feel part Dutch and part Pakistani, therefor I can't be 100% Pakistani or even 100% Dutch, I am both Pakistani and Dutch.

And I am proud of Pakistan, not of the intolerance and problems regarding females, but I am proud of the positive things.

Never judge a book....
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And about India some Pakistani's are hypocrites. In my family people have watched Indian movies, even have some Indian friends, but when those Indian friends are gone, they talk disgracingly about them, use 'Hindu' as a curseword, and in front of their Indian friends they say things like, 'we respect you and your religion as much as our own'. What I also find hypocritic, is how they like to watch Indian movies, but don't admit that in front of every other Pakistani, and even after enjoying Indian movies, they still curse entire India.

Why have Indian friends and enjoy Indian movies and drama, if you keep talking negatively about India?

I don't like many things of different cultures either, but I tell that to those people, in a normal way. And if I really dislike someone, I stay away, why befriend that person? I don't like certain aspects of Dutch culture, so I tell Dutch people when we discuss those things, even if they are friends, if they'd ask me, I would tell them honoustly that I think those aspects of Dutch culture are negative. I admit that I don't like certain things of their culture or religion, why lie to them that I 'respect them and their religion or culture as much as my own'? That's what I don't like about many Pakistanis. Not meant to insult anyone. It's just annoying what they do.

I had a friend once, Muslim, she started living with a Hindoe guy, without marriage. Even though I'm not very religious, I still find that difficult. I told her honoustly how I felt about that. But I also wished her happiness. It's her own life, her choice. I could have been a hypocrite and said it didn't matter to me, and then behind her back say negative things against her. I thought it's better to tell her honoustly. That's what I did, in normal words. In those days, I was becoming very religious, a little too much I think, even interpreting certain things wrong, not understanding many things, but yet becoming very religious. Now I'm normal, not too religious, not too less, just normal in my own opinion. But even now the idea of a Muslim female living with a Hindu guy is something I do have a problem with. Even if she would marry him, it would still be wrong for me in my opinion. But why should I force her to live her life the way I think it should be lived? If I dislike it that much, I should just stay away.

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its funny how indians can come and say anything and they will openly accuse pakistan for the mumbai attacks yet us pakistani are soooo friendly and loving and we will be all over them saying oh no i dont believe it in hating anyone

when will we ever stick up for ourselves ??

i do not hate indians , yet yes it hurst when they come on tv and accuse us of all kinds of things

make hatefull movies , jeez i went to school with some real paki hating people . all indians they were , yet somehow all us pakistanis never really said anythings

why are we the criminals in everythings

in cricket , in politics what price are we paying

no one has to agree with me but this is my point of view

i dont hate indians or india at all , neither do i boycott their products

but i wont hear anything abt pakistan

psquared i think ur frend atleast has the right attitude

Timepass - November 2012
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He is not entirely wrong.
As I said pakistani ppl living in west consider them self "desi"
That is , some what, like considering your self extension of indian culture.

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You are confusing religious zealousness with patriotic tendencies in a very warped way. 'Terrorism will not solve any problems'? Are you implying that an ordinary 'Muslim' or 'Pakistani' like the thread starter or his/her friend is engaging in terrorism to solve problems? Also, you might want to look up as to how many Muslims live in India, and how many are tied up to the economic gridlock you are so keen on other 'good musalmaan's to boycott.

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if you are so un-proud what the hell you are doing in pak forum ??

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no I did not read that?
Not from a smart person like your self??

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so basically, the argument started when he stated that he was boycotting Indian products, which may be his personal way of showing solidarity with Pakistan in this tough time because when you do not buy desi Indian stuff here, you obviously switch to buying Pakistani only thus benefiting Pakistan more. Just a different angle of looking at it, why do we even question each others motives for what we do? i think it was wrong of him to question your patriotism just as it was wrong of you to question his motives behind his stance. lets all give each other room to breathe and express our love and respect for Pakistan in our own ways, without turning judgmental because that really is not the answer to our problems. just my humble opinion :)

Never judge a book....
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very well put wondergurl

Never judge a book....
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^ and yet later in his career he went to india to make the money.

but i do agree with of the ppl who get annoyed by ppl hating pakistani/indiani just cuz of their nationality. Thats just stupid, there are many other countries in this world that are very unfair to pakistan (many muslim countries) ...i wonder if they boycott them too.
just be a good muslim an help other muslims thats what really matters.

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If you have love for the pakistani food and clothes and entertainment and if you boycott Indian movies - seriously does that make you a proud pakistani? If you don't associate with HINDU ppl that makes you a proud pakistani

ARE YOU PPL KIDDING ME?

If you are a proud pakistani - please put your money and actions where your mouth is and DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE FOR THE FUTURE OF PAKISTAN.

Wearing shalwar kameez and eating paratay every day does not make you a proud pakistani.

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Whats wrong with that? I see no problems in going to other places to make money, and actually he earned money in India and brought it to Pakistan to spend. Ever heard how bringing in forex is actually good for your country, economically?

But yes, we shouldnt question anyone's patriotism or loyalty on such trivial matters.

takaluf....
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^ agreed. I think you should take ideas, money, education from other countries and bring that to Pakistan. Why not?

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*hallelujah!! *

Me already working on it!

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I agree with mizzrani.

They constantly accuse Pakistan, and we just sit back and take it.
This does not mean i hate all indian but i definitely have a problem with their mindset of blame, blame, blame. . .Pakistan, ISI, Pakistan.

It seems like if a fly drops into the indian PM's morning chi, they will put it on national tv with a Pakistani passport, ID card and accuse it of being an ISI agent!!!

P.S. I am Pakistani born, been living in UK since i was 10 and am friendly with quite a few indians in my uni course.

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Mizzrani, maybe its wishful thinking my part but I do expect our people to put a stop to this. I do expect us to rise above the Indian and Pakistani borders and show the world we can be good, no amazing global citizens. I expect this because we have Islam on our side and thats where I have learned to not only be tolerant of other beliefs but also to show them who we are.

If I started hating my Indian friends, they will in turn hate me. They will also talk about it amongst themselves and change at least 15 different viewpoints about Muslims from neutral or bad to bad or worse.

But what if I did something good? What if I treated them well and respected them? What if I showed them Muslims are great people? It might take a little longer than it would take to blow them up but the results are far better. Any hate will either kill an Indian or a Pakistani...doesnt matter anymore because someone has been orphaned/widowed/killed in our fervor to be Proud Pakistani and Patriotic Indians. Pointing fingers at anyone is pointless now...

Its not easy to be the bigger person but I think its our responsibilty to do exactly that. After seeing so much death and destruction...Im ready for anything that will prevent it.

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Chilled out...

Its easy to get angry but harder to keep your cool. Its easier to punch the guy in front of you for all the crap he is dishing out but harder to calm him down and befriend him.

The videos that you see all over the news, footage of people dying and losing their lives...the last thing we should be thinking is how to create the same scenario for the opposite side. If you think about the people who are suffering...do you think they care about who is at fault anymore??? No, they want their lives back but its people like us who actually give a damn about whose fault it is and "no, we wont take a back seat anymore"...its not you that has to physically pay for it.

~~~Missing Someone~~~
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psquared , i understand your point of view , everyone has different ways of expressing their views . but i feel we have always been the bigger person .

we are always constantly apologising , accepting being ashamed .

i feel at times instead of being a bigger and better person we should stand up for ourselves .

not just to indians but any other nation that accuses us of things we should not be blamed for .

and i think once we start defending ourselves instead of just tolerating , and i dont mean using violence or anything we will be in a better place in this world

i really wish each pakistani would stand up for their country , why can we not respect our country but yet think so great of other's country .

we dont need to put others down and insult their nation but it is very important that us pakistanis speak well and think well and stand up for our country no matter where we are in the globe we are its representatives .

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Oh God girl dont get tired of agreeing with each other.
Whats wrong.
Why can't you just start a fight?

Sing a song for above person
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because intelligent ppl accept and respect each other's opinions :)

now shooo we dont need a fite here