Let’s get a few things straight right off the bat. This is not a Pakistani forum or website. This is an expat-Pakistani website or forum. Please don't confuse the two. So views expressed are naturally skewed and unrealistic. Secondly being Pakistani is not an ethnicity. It is a nationality. Meaning you either hold the nationality or you don't. Just because your parents are Pakistani does not mean you are. Those of the expats that constitute a majority of this site have grown up (in some cases were born) in the west and visit Pakistan during the summer.
*Again, its the saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame tired old issue with you so-called Pakistanis. No, you're not a Pakistani because of this, No, you're not a Pakistani because of that. WTH? Who died and made you God? You can defend who you "bloody" well want, but you have no right to tell anyone who they are or not. Its frankly not your place to say because its not like you're living in Pakistan yourself buddy. You dont live in Pakistan yourself but want to classify other people as Pakistani or non-Pakistani. *
You as an expat Pakistan can be proud of your country can be extremely protective. But frankly you don't know much about the nation as you haven't lived there, gone to school there etc. Your source of information is based on knowledge derived from a biased system that produces more opinion than fact. Case being internet forum, the media and what your chachi or mamu said over the phone yesterday.
*THIS is exactly what I mean. You think we're living in a box? Get off your high horse and read what I wrote. Your freaking self-righteous attitude has blinded you quite a bit. You're a little peeved because Im calling myself Pakistani and dont want to hear what Im saying...typical, so very typical. *
Think of it this way. You have spent what 4 months out of 10 years in DRC (Congo) I hardly think you will find yourself to be competent to discuss the local political/economic/social issues in the country. The same applies to Pakistan. Just because your skin is brown or your parents are from Pakistan does not make you competent to discuss the issues and more importantly gives you special insight into the country. Rather it is a hindrance.
*I think you may have jungle fever. You're the type of person who will never admit there is a problem that needs fixing. YOu want to point fingers and say "you've no right to critisize because of blah blah blah". This attitude will definitely help Pakistan...in fact its helping Pakistan right now...get no where. *
Then comes the issue of living in the country and how that is important. Honestly yes it is very important. Living in an area gives you special insight. It gives you more than just stories. In my case I have been in Darfur for 1 year. I eat members of the Save Darfur Coalition alive in debates, because I am on the ground. I don't speak in abstract notions and theory. I speak from real life experience. I always butcher quotes and sayings, but there is one that says something along the lines of books and education are no replacement for real life experience.
*Wonderful work dear! Im sure thats what this whole paragraph was about. As for the last bit, there is no replacement for real life experience but when something makes sense, it makes sense. And if you choose to ignore it because (HOLD YOUR BREATH, GOD FORBID) it comes from a Western-born Pakistani, then it makes you useless. If you cant listen to reason, then what good are you? Not at all. *
The same applies to Pakistan and the feelings and emotions conjured up from living there. If you don't live there you have no idea what I am talking about. It’s like saying you don't live in Israel border towns. You don't know the feelings people have when they hear that there was a rocket attack from Gaza near your child’s school. You don't live there. You can only assume this stuff. You can not feel it acutely like they do. Living in a location is very important. Since you don't, your opinions aren't as valuable or equal.
You're in Congo, Egypt, etc. I think your paragraph proves that your POV is null and void because you dont live in Pakistan. Since you dont, lets strike this and move on shall we? If you read my whole thread, you would have understood what I meant up until now. But it seems like you didnt so please do that. My point was that people sitting abroad cannot promote hatred for India and play the blame game because all it does is make things worse. If you're not living there, you cant say India shoud go to hell because Im sure you're not the one thats suffering there right now. You're not and therefore saying "we shouldnt make peace" is stupid.
Being a proud Pakistani means different things to different people. But the underlying factor is being proud of your heritage and defending what you consider your own. You will find many expat Pakistanis on this forum and Pakistanis in Pakistan who don't do that. It’s the new age western philosophy. Pick on Islam and Pakistan for the fault of a few people. It’s very evident on this forum, esp. from the guys who run the show. That is not being a proud Pakistani. That is actually a hidden desire to be someone from another country.
Real Pakistanis feel shame when they hear negative news about Pakistan. Hearing the news in Pakistan is depressing. I don't bother reading Pakistani news papers anymore. Others take it and move on. Hell there are some news pieces on this website, when linked, I just shut off the internet and head out to an IDP camp so that the situation in Pakistan doesn't seem so bleak. But hell you will never hear me or my friend mocking Pakistan and its leadership or insulting it. I hate the Bhutto clan, but in the office I defend Zardari.
*I hear so-called real Pakistani insulting Bhutto, Zardari all the time. Where are you? *
Regardless of what others say I am a Pakistani, he is my President. I will defend whatever I bloody well can.
I will illustrate an example that Proud Pakistanis miss. Americans will mock Bush. They will ridicule him, but like hell they would mock or ridicule their people or their nation. Expat-Pakistanis who live in the West admire this trait yet don't have the wisdom to implement it. That of course being based on the fact that you don't live in Pakistan and are largely disconnected from Pakistan.
Lastly if you think the Government of India or Indians will be happy with ever lasting peace with Pakistan, I have a bridge to sell you in the Darfur desert. Interested?
*Funny guy, you should read my entire thread and then tell me what you think. *