Thats a common complain about non-resident, UK/US educated Pakistani orgin girls that normally, they do not like the out look of any person following the path of our Holy Prophet (Sallallahu Alayhay Wassalam). Like if he is wearing the traditional Pakistani dress, growing the beard, wearing a topi/cap and every now and then following the sunnahs of our Holy Prophet.
Paki origin girl will not marry such guyz. Are they scared of them or these girl hate Sunnats of our holy prophet???
Nadeem
salaam, Nadeem
I am paki girl living in France since i am three years ;you know all girls are not as u think.I really would like to marry a man who follows sunnah,so he help me in bad moments with Allah's help ;because if husband is good Muslim it's very important in couple.But my husband isn't like that.So girls who can marry man like that,u're lucky.
Allah Hafiz.
Dear Nadeem,
Where did you read that Prophet Mohammad wore Shalwar Kamiz and Topi? If you have to stir the pot, make sure you have some water in it. In other words, get your facts straight.
All Girls (Pakistani and non-Pakistani) love men in their traditional attire, the opinion of girls about men are generally based upon men’s behavior and not what they wear (or don’t). Girls will go nuts if Imran Khan wore Shalwar Kamiz, and grew a nicely manicured Beard, but they might not have the same feelings for Qazi Sahib.
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Originally posted by Nadeem:
Thats a common complain about non-resident, UK/US educated Pakistani orgin girls that normally, **they do not like the out look of any person following the path of our Holy Prophet (Sallallahu Alayhay Wassalam). Like if he is wearing the traditional Pakistani dress, growing the beard, wearing a topi/cap and every now and then following the sunnahs of our Holy Prophet.
Paki origin girl will not marry such guyz. Are they scared of them or these girl hate Sunnats of our holy prophet????
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Though in your post/message you have a point, but *** generalization *** to all-western Muslim girls at large is highly inappropriate. I am not sure how many of those you mentioned in your post seeks a marriage with the girls like you stated? Do you happen to have an firgures about it? I am an American Muslim and lives in USA. I have seem Muslim girls born and raised in USA, who will and do make a girl born and raised in Pakistan or elsewhere a girl scout in many cases, when it comes to be a truly Muslima. By the way Islam is not against modernization. Islam itself is a modern religion. However, Islam is against westrenization. So being westernized has nothing to do with where one lives or was born and raised? It is rather how ignorant he/she is? Is that Muslim family has followed Islam and raised their children particularly daughter(s) truly according to Islam. That will help eradicate all prejudices.
Please read the following Ahadeeth, regarding daughters out of many more.
Reported from Anas b. Malik, the Prophet said: "Girls are models of affection and sympathy and a blessing to the family. If a person has one daughter, God will screen him from the fire of hell owing to his daughter; if he has two daughters, God will admit him to paradise; if he has three, God will exempt him from the obligation of charity and Jehad."
(Kanz al-Ummal:277).
(Women in Islam by M. Mazheruddin Siddiqi).
*Abu Hurairah says, "The Prophet of God said that if a person has three daughters whom he provides for and brings up, God will surely reward him with paradise."
(Kanz al-Ummal).
(Women in Islam by M. Mazheruddin Siddiqi). *
**According to Abdullah ibn Mas'ud, the Prophet is reported to have said; "If a daughter is born to a person and he brings her up, gives her a good education and trains her in the arts of life, I shall myself stand between him and hell-fire.
(Kanz al-Ummal).
(Women in Islam by M. Mazheruddin Siddiqi). **
Let us not forget that Islam allows a girls/women (Muslima) to choose a husband. Irrefragable ** has posted considerable number of Ahadeeth to this effect on women’s right. Allow me to use your profile as reference in which you are admitting certain questionable activities those may be cool for you in your mind. But the trouble is that if a (Muslima) woman say the same thing, that does make people quickly to jump to call her a * whore or slut , not to mention spreading the stories about her. This double standard is often seen. The narrow mindedness has scared many families living in west from those who have no or little knowledge of Islam, and those who hide their ignorance behind male domination. You may disagree with me. But it is absurd and against Quran, Sunnah and Hadeeth to force a girl/woman to marry against her will. It does matter whom she rejects. But under Islamic laws she has a right to select her mate, * and a Muslim one (Period).
Bubble Buster
"The true EVIL lies in IGNORANCE, not in suspicion."
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i hafta agree with bubble head err i mean bubble buster on this one...
nadeem u remind me of this guy who used to email me...he wouldnt EVER marry anyone from north america because he felt that ALL desi girls here go around having sex, drinking and would NEVER respect their in-laws...wtf
in fact i know girls in pakistan who are alot worse than girls who have grown up in canada/us/uk...what im tryin to say is dont lump all girls together :)
allright hold up,
i got something to say, girls don't care about the Sunnah about the Prophet. Nowadays, girls don't find that stuff atractive (ie beards, topi and such)
Hi people,
I think we need a womens point of view.
Well, fistly shalwar kameez is not Islamic dress as someone pointed out earlier on. It's actually what Pakistanis where, and not all Muslims are from Pakistan!!! Personally, I think shalwar kameez on a man looks incredibly sexy :)
As for the beard, it's a personal opinion. What you may find attractive may be totally repulsive to someone else, so don't put all us "modern" girls in the same category. Finding a guy with a beard does not automatically mean that a girls rejects Islam and the Holy Prophet, besides I know loadsa guys who are very religous, and yet do not have a beard.
F.
Farhana,
Totally disagree with you... a man is very religious but he is without beard!!!!
Whats the value of that religion in which there is no respect for Prophet's sunnah!!!
rgds
Nadeem
Dress and Beard in Islaam
DRESS:
There is no particular dress code, however, there are guidelines in Quran and Ahadeeth which must be observed by men and women equally.
the veil" or women's clothing in non-household situations
Noble Quran 24:31! And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islâm), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allâh to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful].
women's outer garments prevent harassment by hypocrites
Noble Quran 33:59-60!
59. O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e.screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allâh is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful].
60. If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease (evil desire for adultery, etc.), and those who spread false news among the people in AlMadinah, cease not, We shall certainly let you overpower them, then they will not be able to stay in it as your neighbours but a little while.
BEARD:
According to Noble Quran Muslims are required to obey Allah and his Prophet Muhammed (SAW). Noble Quran clearly says that if the messenger commands to do something, you must do that. If messenger stops you you must. So Muslims historically followed Noble Quran and Sunnah and kept the beard. However, there is no command that makes it mandatory. It is something which is preferred. IN Islamic era it was common. But unfortunatley after 17th century we are living and often imitating Kuffar, which has changed the norm of what we should have been doing?
Bubble Buster
"You mess with the BEST
You LOSE like the REST!"
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Correct me if I'm wrong people, but doesn't the word SUNNAH mean optional, whereas if it was a FARD then that would mean obligatory.
Remember, we're not talking about a goatee or stubble, it's a proper beard.
There may be circumstances where a man's appearance is important to his job, and he may not be allowed to keep a beard. I'm not saying it's right, but what is he supposed to do, quit his job and not provide for his family, or keep the beard.
NOT HAVING A BEARD DOES NOT MAKE A MAN ANY LESS RELIGOUS THAN ONE WITH A BEARD. It's how he feels that counts.
Besides in my experience, a lot of people who don't have an obvious Islamic appearance (hijaab/beard), a probably a lot more religous than people care to think. I guess it's cos we have a lot more to prove to others than the hijaabies/beardies.
If shareef pakistani admi tell ladki he wants her she must not say no. she should do what he tell her.
Pakistan Hero
your Hero
http://pak_for_life.tripod.com/
Hey guys,
look who's back............it's none other than Pakistan Zero, and guess what people??? He's talking BAKWAAS as usual.
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Originally posted by farhana:
**Correct me if I'm wrong people, but doesn't the word SUNNAH mean optional, whereas if it was a FARD then that would mean obligatory.
Remember, we're not talking about a goatee or stubble, it's a proper beard.
There may be circumstances where a man's appearance is important to his job, and he may not be allowed to keep a beard. I'm not saying it's right, but what is he supposed to do, quit his job and not provide for his family, or keep the beard.
NOT HAVING A BEARD DOES NOT MAKE A MAN ANY LESS RELIGOUS THAN ONE WITH A BEARD. It's how he feels that counts.
Besides in my experience, a lot of people who don't have an obvious Islamic appearance (hijaab/beard), a probably a lot more religous than people care to think. I guess it's cos we have a lot more to prove to others than the hijaabies/beardies.**
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There are many verses in Noble Quran that commands believers (Muslims) to obey/follow Quran and Sunnah, which makes it a FARD, there are many things that further defines the Sunnah which is a must and which is optional based on what we are talking about. But without following Sunnah no one can be a Muslim.
Bubble Buster
"You mess with the BEST
You LOSE like the REST!"
Farhana,
To be very honest, for the first time all in my life, any educated girl has seriously wanted to understand this concept of religion. May Allah reward you for this.
Lemme say thankx to you especially.
No Farhana, you are mistaken. SUNNAH doesn't mean optional. Anyhow it is almost SUNNAT-e-Muwakkadah. Like the two Sunnah's of Fajir prayer.
*Though I am also a son of Western civilization, * but it would be better to accept our mistakes. No matter how educated you are in modern knowledge!!!
This is not a place to post lengthy material, if I would have your email address, I would post it to you separately.
Request to Bubble Buster
Dear Bro/Sis!
Plz contain yourself in short paras especially when are you explaining Islam and Quran or Sunnah. Don't put so much BURDEN on any one, otherwise he/she would feel dying under the religion.
Thanks
Nadeem
farhana,
The nick is Pakistani Hero. No name callings please.
Roman,
Pakistan Hero is a , who uses Islam as an excuse to think that men are better than women.............I think NOT.
What's it to you what I call him.........or is there something about you and him that the rest of us don't know about, huh???
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Pakistan Hero is a , who uses Islam as an excuse to think that men are better
than women.............I think NOT.
Farhana: Why you think he is using it as an excuse? If Islam does not say so, then Hero's claim is his false claim. If Islam says somewhere that "men are better than women", why you "think NOT"?
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farhana,
And name calling will prove just that?
Hey Roman, what happened to freedom of speech?? :)
Ok, ok, ok, I guess I was a bit rude, but only cos he deserves it.
He wrote some stuff in a post somewhere else. I've been looking for it, but can't find it.
Najoomi, what??
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Originally posted by Pakistan Hero:
**If shareef pakistani admi tell ladki he wants her she must not say no. she should do what he tell her.
**
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I suppose the female members of your family must be practicing what you are preaching here? May I have your address please?
Irrefragable
Islaam Is The *ONLY Solution! *****And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers]. Noble Quran 3:85*