This article explains it to some extent, the concept of ‘early marriage’ is new for the people hence some people are not maybe getting it that things around them have changed.
Child Marriage in the Context of Shia IranEarly marriage, which has been traditionally practiced in Iran , is to a large extent also endorsed and encouraged by Sharia Law. In spite of a considerable reduction in the number of early marriages, they continue to be practiced under various guises. Policies devised to reduce these marriages often pose more questions than they answer, while their implications lead to unforeseen reactions and often result in even more undesirable consequences for all concerned. Early marriage, itself a relatively new concept, is associated with multiple pregnancies. International agencies regard it as harmful to the health, and especially reproductive health, of young women under the age of fifteen.
The mortality rate of mothers under the age of fifteen is five times higher than those over twenty year olds. Girls under the age of eighteen are classified as children by international conventions. However, when the Iranian delegation to the Convention of the Rights of the Child (CRC 1998) signed the agreement that defined a child as “anybody under the age of eighteen”, it reserved the right not to implement the clauses which were considered against the Islamic ideology. Child marriage is one such area and its practice continues. In reality, the implementation of most of the clauses of the above Convention involves major difficulties and clashes with local laws, traditions and customs. At the same time, most studies concerned with early marriage only address its negative impact and focus on girls from the perspective of ‘human rights’ and ‘violence against women’. Such an approach leaves out the wider social and cultural context within which these marriages take place, which also involves young boys and affects the larger family network; i.e. there is a general neglect to carry out a gender analysis of this trend.
The research examines the changes that have taken place in relation to marriage patterns, including early marriage, and how these marriages have been transformed during the past 25 years. Definitions of early, coerced, and arranged marriage, and the definition of the ‘child’ in this context, as understood and practiced in Shi’a Iran, is the main focus of the study. Dr Soraya Tremayne has made several field trips to Iran to collect the data, in addition to carrying out fieldwork in Tehran, Yazd (in central Iran) and undertaking a short spell of research in Ardebil ( Province of Azerbaijan).
Let me tell something also ... My grandmother was 9 when she was first married and probably 13 on her first child ... she lived a long life and eventually had married another time when her first husband died, she was self-sufficient at the age of 20 or so with 3 children and one infant who had died in infancy. She got married in her late twenties to my grandfather who was several years younger than her and had 4 more children and she ruled the house with an iron fist.
Trust me we talk with such lack of understanding basing the correct way to live as per our own experiences ... I was approaching 13 years old when my grandmother told me about how she had become a mother at my age and I was surprised ... but she was amazingly calm and proud about it.
With all due respect, psyah, you need to make up your mind on this topic. Is marrying a young girl to an old guy a good thing or a bad thing? Earlier you were saying that we do not need to follow this example from prophet ... implying that it is a bad thing.
With all due respect, psyah, you need to make up your mind on this topic. Is marrying a young girl to an old guy a good thing or a bad thing? Earlier you we're saying that we do not need to follow this example from prophet ... implying that it is a bad thing.
And I remain in such a predicament ... the culture and environment determine some of these decisions. As I said ... We have been given the array of possibility by the example of RasoolAllah (SAW) that what is within the domain of acceptability ...
My personal orientation regarding child marriage for this climate post 2000s is very different to what it was like for my grandmother in early 1900s Pakistan. People have had no problem in the past - the contention is a modern phenomenon and I am a modern person ... Just because Aisha (RA) married at her age it does not mean we follow suit without considering our climate and the norms of the day and age ...
And I never implied it was a bad thing ... but what is done in most places can be strange for us to see and we judge with our standards and in other cases it is genuinely bad ...
Even in recent times in the most civilized countries of West, only the age of marriage has been legalized to 16…doesn’t mean they can’t have sex before that. You’d find a big number of underage pregnancies (13-15). UK: underage pregnancies - The Poverty Site
My personal take is that under 16s shouldn’t be allowed to have sex because it can lead to pregnancy and pregnancy at such young age can lead to death.
Child marriages are basically dictated by local cultures (in case of Islam we try to give it a religious touch) although they still take place in many parts of third world countries, including non muslim ones. 40 percent of child marriages take place in rural India. BBC News - What is it like to be a child bride?
We have been given the array of possibility by the example of RasoolAllah (SAW) that what is within the domain of acceptability ...
Array of possibility? Well, it would be good for you to know that for many, this "array of possibility" starts with the age of ZERO.
Thus even a 1 month old could be married to a 70 year old guy.
Array of possibility? Well, it would be good for you to know that for many, this "array of possibility" starts with the age of ZERO.
Thus even a 1 month old could be married to a 70 year old guy.
Peace khoji
Go away and come back when you have a point to make ...
Array of possibility? Well, it would be good for you to know that for many, this "array of possibility" starts with the age of ZERO.
Thus even a 1 month old could be married to a 70 year old guy.
So from where do they take the idea of marrying women to Quran?
So from where do they take the idea of marrying women to Quran?
There is a difference between something approved by religious clergy and cultural non-religious acts of some.
Please don't argue for the sake of arguing. :)
so Abu Bakar thought his daughter could become a victim of the moral looseness? from your logic, it seems like he was thinking like that.
buddy, if you think a child of that age could be into lewd acts, then God have mercy on your thinking.
Peace jaanaan,
Did I said that is why Hazrat Abu Bakar r.a. given in marriage or named Hazrat Aisha r.a.? What I wrote above is it in general and what I think without referring to it.
From wikipedia:As children approached 11 attitudes shifted toward girls. When a child reaches adulthood, they are educated on sexual techniques by a much older adult. Yuri Lisyansky in his memoirs reports that “The next day, as soon as it was light, we were surrounded by a still greater multitude of these people. There were now a hundred females at least; and they practised all the arts of lewd expression and gesture, to gain admission on board. It was with difficulty I could get my crew to obey the orders I had given on this subject. Amongst these females were some not more than ten years of age. But youth, it seems, is here no test of innocence; these infants, as I may call them, rivalled their mothers in the wantonness of their motions and the arts of allurement.”
Adam Johann von Krusenstern in his book about the same expedition as Yuri's, reports that a father, brought a 10-12 year old girl on his ship, and she had sex with the crew. According to the book of Charles Pierre Claret de Fleurieu and Étienne Marchand, 8 year old girls had sex and other unnatural acts, in public.
Read last two sentence and tell me in which world u r living in Jaanaan?
But why marry her when she is no more than a child?
Also, if this is the concern then boys should also get married in childhood.
Lastly, it would be even better if girls are married while infant. Isn't it?
Peace khoji,
I dont have answer of ur 'why'. btw why u only quote 'muslims married to minor' in ur posts? There are non-muslims too who still practice marriage with minors? why not quote that and ask the reason why?
There is a difference between something approved by religious clergy and cultural non-religious acts of some.
Please don't argue for the sake of arguing. :)
Some girls mature early both physically and mentally....could've been the case with Aisha (ra) [if she was married at 9].
You see it had to be the case with Aisha (RA) ... Her great memory is a strong factor that supports the idea that her childishness had vanished before she got married.
Those dodgy christian polemic sites argue she had dolls and therefore she was still a child at heart ... but that is nonesense even grown women like teddy-bears isn't that right hareem01?
Go away and come back when you have a point to make ...
Not surprised to see such a response.
You were talking about climate making some girls 'womanly', but obviously this argument does not hold true if we even allow an infant to be married.
The question is not about a 4 or 6 year old getting married (thus the "array of possibility"). Rather it is about the LIMITLESS freedom of age.
There is a difference between something approved by religious clergy and cultural non-religious acts of some.
Please don't argue for the sake of arguing. :)
The only country that uses religion for legalizing marriage of 8/9 year old girls is Saudi Arabia. Rest of the countries follow tribal or cultural laws including the non-muslim countries.