Prophet Mohammed nine year old wife

[Mughal1]

Re: Prophet Mohammed nine year old wife

@psyah

Peace Mughal1

For the first time in my life I read one of your responses completely from beginning to end. The first part sounds good … The second part is that you are nearly making a point but you stop …

I think your contention is regarding the hadith that we have today - you say they are in some way fabricated or changed by the deceivers.

Well we can test theory …

All we need to do is check to see if these ahadith have been reciprocated/mirrored by others … do they appear in other chains outside this partciluar contentious chain?

We have to look for evidence of exactly the same hadith being narrated with a different age … that will show at some point a difference of stated age had crept in during a transmission.

We have all the tools to check and ratify the transmission - it is not enough to say “It sounds wrong to my standards therefore it is wrong” … If it sounds wrong … then investigate … don’t just throw it out.

Thank you brother psyah for bringing up the way to prove hadith authentic or not. The science of hadith authentication revolves around three main things;

1. how complete the chain of narrators is.

2. how reliable the narrators are.

3. how good the reported information is.

You will agree that there is no way to establish 100% the chain of narrators. Why not because it is only a matter of one person’s word against the other and the arguments unending. Let me explain. Suppose you tell me a story that you heard from five people through vertical chain about a person. The question arises, what do you need to do to establish the narrators’ credibility? Your answer will be because couple of other people told us that they were reliable people but then those who are telling you they were a reliable people what do you know about them? So you need to keep coming up with witnesses for witnesses who testify so and so was a reliable witness. This is what makes it an unending chain regarding reliability of all involved that produces no reliable end result.

Suppose we take things on face value and accept that these reporters really existed and narrated these reports then comes the hard part which is, are they reporting something that is believable in light of relevant self evident realities? This part is the one that is more important because it proves how reliable the narrators or witnesses to an event really are. That is how we cross examine testimonies of witnesses and either find them reliable or unreliable.

This is the idea that I use in my argument to accept or reject things and it is very reliable that is why it is used in the law courts throughout the world as well as the criterion in the quran. If the quran was from other than Allah we ought to find many discrepancies in it ie we ought to find contradictions within the alleged testimony of Allah as well as between the quran and the realities it talks about.

This is why if any report contradicts the concepts told about in the quran then there are only two possibilities a) at least one the narrators has made error in the narration or b) at least on of them has deliberately lied.

So if the messenger of Allah fulfilled the mission of Allah as stated by the quran then whatever goes against that is unreliable and cannot be used against better or stronger evidence. The quran does not support use and abuse of any human being let alone children or women or weak and poor. It was sent to make people one family taking care of each other and moving together to highest of standards of living. After all islam is a way of life that is supposed to lead to peace not harm.

I hope this explains my standpoint in this regard.

regards and all the best.