Property Issues with Newly Weds

[Spock]

umm why don't you brush up on your definition regarding 'joint tenancy'?

Joint tenancy is when you have equal share in the property but if your spouse/or your joint tenant passes away, you have a right of survivorship and are thus able to own the property in its entirety. Ownership thus passes to the surviving spouse immediately, thus avoiding the need for probate.

So I am sorry but YOUR argument falls short (yet again) of making any sense.

So why cant you just rely on his will the obtain the property in its entirety if he falls dead one day? And chanda, I am talking in general. For instance property in Pakistan; your joint tenancy laws dont apply over there. Husband dies, will states wife owns property, simple and efficient.

As for you lot making personal attacks, carry on for all I care.

Greed does you no good. *Most women who trust their husbands end up living happily ever after, simple. Those that have such greedy expectations either end up getting divorced, or they remain single forever. *

Please continue bashing men. If you're really looking forward to being co-owners of property worth millions by just getting married, please do let your potential mate know about your intentions beforehand to save yourself from an apparent disappointment. If you're really not greedy but have all these insecurities, please try to either build your own assets/properties or inherit them from your parents.

Since people are getting personal, including the moderator, this will be my last post in the thread to avoid mudslinging.

[GlacierIce]

I am posting again in thread I am forced to correct myself, I can see insults hurled by supposedly grown up people, if you feel you need to to this please go ahead. I'm not interested in the exchange.

After examining the Islamic laws yes the wife is entitled to a share AFTER her husbands death in the form of a will, if anyone is interested they should look up the numbers for themselves, for a wife with children it is 1/8th and for a wife without children it is 1/4th. A deceased man's parents & siblings have more rights than a widow. A husband has the right to half of the deceased wife's property... I bet none of the women here want to talk about that, neither do I, I don't expect my wife to leave anything for me.

I stand on my earlier ground that under no circumstances will I legally put her name on any assets that I have earned on my own to her name before or during a marriage.

@Sehrysh : With all due respect you seem confused, nobody can take care of you if they are dead & yes you have to work for EVERYTHING in your life. With respect take care.

@Meha : I know my rights and I know my obligations. That is your opinion, have a nice day.

@Decent : By 'no apartment' I was simply was referring to my own personal opinion regarding the provision of family home.

I will not posting anymore in this thread, take care all of you :)

[Reha]

I am posting again in thread I am forced to correct myself, I can see insults hurled by supposedly grown up people, if you feel you need to to this please go ahead. I'm not interested in the exchange.

After examining the Islamic laws yes the wife is entitled to a share AFTER her husbands death in the form of a will, if anyone is interested they should look up the numbers for themselves, for a wife with children it is 1/8th and for a wife without children it is 1/4th. A deceased man's parents & siblings have more rights than a widow. A husband has the right to half of the deceased wife's property... I bet none of the women here want to talk about that, neither do I, I don't expect my wife to leave anything for me.

I stand on my earlier ground that under no circumstances will I legally put her name on any assets that I have earned on my own to her name before or during a marriage.

@Sehrysh : With all due respect you seem confused, nobody can take care of you if they are dead & yes you have to work for EVERYTHING in your life. With respect take care.

@Meha : I know my rights and I know my obligations. That is your opinion, have a nice day.

@Decent : By 'no apartment' I was simply was referring to my own personal opinion regarding the provision of family home.

I will not posting anymore in this thread, take care all of you :)

Thats what you said last time.

Spock and GI...are not married. Enough said.

[starrysky]

You read what you want to read & take meaning whichever way it suits your whims & preconceived notions. I owe to maintain her as a wife & I can do that very well, you want to see it some other twisted way go ahead. There is absolutely no obligation in Islam or in today's social circles to put her name on something I worked for, you want property in your name go to your parents, accumulate your own. don't manipulate your spouse into doing it.

Will I ask her to put my name on her house? her assets? her inheritance? No I don't care,** I know how to make assets and keep them**, that is the essence to good living.

My advice to guys reading this : once a woman starts talking about 'owing' her, show her the door as swiftly as possible.

Wow, I feel sorry for your wife. I thought when you get married the 'I' turns into 'we' and 'us.' I didn't even think of this issue as an issue at all. In fact I always assumed that when you have started your life together, and when you purchase your home together, then you would want both your names on the property. Same way you would want a joint account when you are married. What's all this rubbish about 'your' money and 'my' money? Psssht.

And your views are clearly not the norm because my OH agrees with me and he is the most sensible person I know.

[starrysky]

@PyariCgudia

Ladies, he's a catch.

Oh is he not married then? Why am I not surprised? Glacier, I suggest you are honest about your views with any potential future wife since you are so proud of them.

Don't complain though when you realize no sane person would want to marry you.

[Spock]

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Spock and GI...are not married. Enough said.

Yes, you are the only successful exalted know-it-all married person on the board, everyone else's opinion doesnt matter.

Also, can we not bring in our personal lives in the discussion and stick to the topic. I am done with this topic, so please refrain from any future references to me.

[skhan]

After examining the Islamic laws yes the wife is entitled to a share AFTER her husbands death in the form of a will, if anyone is interested they should look up the numbers for themselves, for a wife with children it is 1/8th and for a wife without children it is 1/4th. A deceased man's parents & siblings have more rights than a widow. A husband has the right to half of the deceased wife's property.

case closed.

[Aish]

Spock, what do you MEAN most women who trust their husbands end up living happily ever after? Do you know how many women who trusted their husbands blindly ended up getting screwed over?

If my husband can't trust me by putting my name on the house, bank or whatever, why should I trust him?

[PyariCgudia]

Re: Property Issues with Newly Weds

Those property laws you stated don't make sense to me. I'd think you get more if you have kids.

[augustsunshine]

So why cant you just rely on his will the obtain the property in its entirety if he falls dead one day? And chanda, I am talking in general. For instance property in Pakistan; your joint tenancy laws dont apply over there. Husband dies, will states wife owns property, simple and efficient.

As for you lot making personal attacks, carry on for all I care.

Greed does you no good. *Most women who trust their husbands end up living happily ever after, simple. Those that have such greedy expectations either end up getting divorced, or they remain single forever. *

Please continue bashing men. If you're really looking forward to being co-owners of property worth millions by just getting married, please do let your potential mate know about your intentions beforehand to save yourself from an apparent disappointment. If you're really not greedy but have all these insecurities, please try to either build your own assets/properties or inherit them from your parents.

Since people are getting personal, including the moderator, this will be my last post in the thread to avoid mudslinging.

Joint tenancy laws is a standard real property law throughout the world. I am sure it is the black letter law in Pakistan as well. Whether anyone follows it or not is a different matter. Relying on a will and relying on survivorship are two entirely different things. When you get the property by right of survivorship, you get it immediately without stepping foot into court. When you have a will, you have to go to court, get in line and go through the process of probate which can take a very long time. And we all know how 'efficient' the court system is in Pakistan!

And you know it's sad how you keep missing the essence of our stance. It's not about the money! It's not about any insecurity! We're all educated girls more than capable of owning property. It's about your mentality! Once you're married, there is no "you" and "me".....it's about "us".

And please don't be concerned about our ability to live a happily married life. My husband transferred all his assets in my name as soon as we got married to protect his personal assets from the business. It never even came up as to what's mine or yours....everything is OURS. I am not the co-owner, I am the owner of his properties that he bought with his own hard earned money!! But given your reasoning, that makes me a classic gold digger right?!

It's funny how you reprimand others for personal attacks yet you are claiming that women who do expect to have joint ownership of at least the marital home end up getting divorced or remain single. News alert --> there are tons of guys out there who don't share the same mentality as you and us lucky girls are married to them and happily so! :)

[Spock]

Ok, one last time:

Joint tenancy laws is a standard real property law throughout the world. I am sure it is the black letter law in Pakistan as well. Whether anyone follows it or not is a different matter. Relying on a will and relying on survivorship are two entirely different things. When you get the property by right of survivorship, you get it immediately without stepping foot into court. When you have a will, you have to go to court, get in line and go through the process of probate which can take a very long time. And we all know how 'efficient' the court system is in Pakistan!

i) Please read up the laws pertaining to tenancy in Pakistan
ii) So the courts are efficient in dealing with 'survivorship' yet slow and inefficient dealing with wills?
iii) I hate to bring in personal anecdotes but we've transferred property in our name in Pakistan in less than a day.

[quote]

And you know it's sad how you keep missing the essence of our stance. It's not about the money! It's not about any insecurity! We're all educated girls more than capable of owning property. It's about your mentality! Once you're married, there is no "you" and "me".....it's about "us".

[/quote]

Yes, everyone else here is uneducated jahil ganwar who shouldnt have his name on the ownership of anything that he worked so hard for. Yes, there is no me or you in marriage, but then again you dont need an official piece of paper to think what belongs to your husband belongs to you.

[quote]

And please don't be concerned about our ability to live a happily married life. My husband transferred all his assets in my name as soon as we got married to protect his personal assets from the business. It never even came up as to what's mine or yours....everything is OURS. I am not the co-owner, I am the owner of his properties that he bought with his own hard earned money!! But given your reasoning, that makes me a classic gold digger right?!

[/quote]

This is the internet, so lets leave the personal anecdotes off. Anyone can claim anything they like here; its not like its the divine truth. But still, if your husband did transfer property to your name, even though he did it for a purpose (that business assets isolation) its great that he trusts you, I am happy for you.

[quote]

It's funny how you reprimand others for personal attacks yet you are claiming that women who do expect to have joint ownership of at least the marital home end up getting divorced or remain single. News alert --> there are tons of guys out there who don't share the same mentality as you and us lucky girls are married to them and happily so! :)
[/quote]

Please look up the meaning of personal. What I said was a general observation, not aimed at you or anyone else here taking jabs at posters mentality, education, upbringing, marital status and what not. And the feeling is mutual; tonnes of women out there who arent greedy and do not need a piece of paper that has to state that half of their husbands property is theirs to feel secure. That is all, now please do not expect anymore replies from me, because you are taking it to the heart. Treat it like a discussion and no need to get personal please. No hard feelings and wish all the best for you and your hubby :)

Ash, please feel free not to trust him :)

[augustsunshine]

O No hard feelings and wish all the best for you and your hubby :)

Thank you for your kind words.

Of course you're free to disregard my statements as "made-up" but what does it matter? To each his own! However, as is apparent from my views, if my husband even remotely shared the same thought process as you, I won't even consider him let alone marry such a guy!!

All the best to you and your future wife as well!!

[Reha]

@Spock

Yes, you are the only successful exalted know-it-all married person on the board, everyone else’s opinion doesnt matter.

Also, can we not bring in our personal lives in the discussion and stick to the topic. I am done with this topic, so please refrain from any future references to me.

Absolutely not. However, I know better than to start my relationship off with suspicion and set the stage for a possible disaster.

You are always done with the topic but keep coming back into the same thread. I dont understand why you need to shove in a disclaimer every single time only to ignore it in a few minutes.

@Aish

Spock, what do you MEAN most women who trust their husbands end up living happily ever after? Do you know how many women who trusted their husbands blindly ended up getting screwed over?

If my husband can’t trust me by putting my name on the house, bank or whatever, why should I trust him?

:k:

Men who think like the kind we’re seeing basically end up in a cold little arrangement. And to be quite honest with you…when these guys do get married none of this will come up. They will marry and the wife will have complete control over everything they own. They wont dare open their mouths then…watch. Its always the loud talkers that end up quieting down in the end because…well…they’ve met their match.

[hhunaeh]

1.They will marry 2.the wife will have complete control over everything they own. 3.They wont dare open their mouths 4.end up quieting down in the end 5.they've met their match.

Nice discussion. Nice summary. Ha, ha

[Spock]

Absolutely not. However, I know better than to start my relationship off with suspicion and set the stage for a possible disaster.

You are always done with the topic but keep coming back into the same thread. I dont understand why you need to shove in a disclaimer every single time only to ignore it in a few minutes.

I think I have been fairly polite so far, despite your personal comments. As for this comment, I dont think I need your permission to post in this thread. Remember, if I start resorting to personal attacks and the same tone as you, you wont like it, so please dont take my request lightly. Thank you.

[quote]

Men who think like the kind we're seeing basically end up in a cold little arrangement. And to be quite honest with you...when these guys do get married none of this will come up. They will marry and the wife will have complete control over everything they own. They wont dare open their mouths then...watch. Its always the loud talkers that end up quieting down in the end because...well...they've met their match.
[/quote]

None of the women in my entire extended family ever demanded such a thing, nor do they own their husbands properities or their businesses, and yet they are happy and are secure, and there hasnt ever been a SINGLE divorce in the family or a case where a widow ended up broke. So there you go :). Personal anecdotes > Your Fortune Telling

[Reha]

@Spock

I think I have been fairly polite so far, despite your personal comments. As for this comment, I dont think I need your permission to post in this thread. Remember, if I start resorting to personal attacks and the same tone as you, you wont like it, so please dont take my request lightly. Thank you.

None of the women in my entire extended family ever demanded such a thing, nor do they own their husbands properities or their businesses, and yet they are happy and are secure, and there hasnt ever been a SINGLE divorce in the family or a case where a widow ended up broke. So there you go :). Personal anecdotes > Your Fortune Telling

Spock, you THINK you’ve been polite but I find your manners rude. As for personal attacks coming from you…really…seriously…

Its wonderful that women in your family dont own any marital property. I say women who dont secure themselves absolutely deserve it. As for the rest of your post…your family not allowing the women to hold property is archaic and isnt something to boast about. How do you know if they’re happy or not with this? Have you personally asked them or are just thinking the absence of divorce is equal to happiness?

Your personal anecdote actually sounds more like a tragedy.

[diamond321]

I think I have been fairly polite so far, despite your personal comments. As for this comment, I dont think I need your permission to post in this thread. Remember, if I start resorting to personal attacks and the same tone as you, you wont like it, so please dont take my request lightly. Thank you.

** None of the women in my entire extended family ever demanded such a thing, nor do they own their husbands properities or their businesses, and yet they are happy and are secure, and there hasnt ever been a SINGLE divorce in the family** or a case where a widow ended up broke. So there you go :). Personal anecdotes > Your Fortune Telling

so you are saying that divorce happens when woman ask for ownership in husband's property or business ? and wow you really have inside information on all the married couples in your family .............seems like they share with you each everything they discus and do.

[Orpheus]

Re: Property Issues with Newly Weds

Reha, i'm liking the tougher you. :D

Jokes aside, keep ya posts constructive, no need to slander the next person who's views you may not accept.

BTW has anyone posted any info on what Islam says about the topic in discussion?

Good day y'all.