Re: Atheistic Professor vs Muslim Student
Peace philosophy
You asked a question ... but this statement is more intriguing ...
"What makes you say that above?"
I said earlier that He is needless of our worship and that we need to worship Him for our own salvation ... Why would punishment for not worshiping infer a need by the punisher? ... please explain ... Can you cite any examples that can demonstrate your reasoning here?
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Re: Muslim Professor vs. Atheist Student
This post was liked by two members who did not like Hinduism negative effects on Pakistani culture. Namley, Southie and Calypsodc.
Either Hinduism beliefs are same as atheism or these two members are fake atheists merely want those who support Islam to become doubtful. The latter seems to be more likely. 
Re: Muslim Professor vs. Atheist Student
Why would I say that? I don't need to fend of scientist - will go with peer reviewed Science hypothesis/ findings over what any religion States.
Well this 70's dude is behind the times ... Science states that the universe had a beginning ... and Islam states Allah (SWT) is the First and has no beginning. You can say the universe has no beginning if you like then you will have to fend off the scientists ...
Re: Muslim Professor vs. Atheist Student
This post was liked by two members who did not like Hinduism negative effects on Pakistani culture. Namley, Southie and Calypsodc.
Either Hinduism beliefs are same as atheism or these two members are fake atheists merely want those who support Islam to become doubtful. The latter seems to be more likely. ;)
You are being dishonest as always. I will repeat what I stated in that thread
I only was critical over your bigoted attitude towards Hindus - taking potshots at Hindus and Hinduism at every chance.
If you want to play the game of who liked whoses posts, out of 6 likes of Psyah post, 4 were from moderators. So what's your point again? ( that is a rhetorical question - you have none).
Cheers :)
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
it wont take me to the last pageee. arghh
Re: Muslim Professor vs. Atheist Student
I am not going to discuss that whole thread here. No need to be so emotional however.
I asked you to refute me and show me where was I wrong. Refute me with evidences in that thread. You could not come up with a single answer when asked to do so but keep saying I was taking potshot. 
Here you are doing the same practice as ever.
Pretending to be an atheist or irreligious, approving negative comments about Islam all over this site, but you develop deep heartache when Hinduism is talked about.
Now you are actually being dishonest and bigot.
Do you think mods should not like ANY post or you have problem with them liking Psyah post?
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
Coming to the topic:
I think these kind of arguments are good for fun only.
Religious or irreligious people hold beliefs one way or other.
Science has a lot of beliefs. Many proven but a lot not proven.
I have no idea why people think science is absolute, most of these people know nothing about the science it seems.
Why people even argue to prove or disprove religious beliefs based on scientific methods?
Re: Muslim Professor vs. Atheist Student
You are being dishonest as always. I will repeat what I stated in that thread
I only was critical over your bigoted attitude towards Hindus - taking potshots at Hindus and Hinduism at every chance.
If you want to play the game of who liked whoses posts, out of 6 likes of Psyah post, 4 were from moderators. So what's your point again? ( that is a rhetorical question - you have none).
Cheers :)
If your an atheist then why try to defend hinduism only and not islam?
Re: Muslim Professor vs. Atheist Student
If your an atheist then why try to defend hinduism only and not islam?
I have said this to you multiple times. I have NEVER attacked Islam. And if ANYONE attacks Islam I would be among the first to defend it.
I have openly stood against Fundamentalist right wing folks who want to impose Islamic govt on all. Mr. Diwana has dishonestly and repeatedly confused that with attacking Islam. He should know better and so should you.
Re Babri Masjid issue I have wrecked a very close relationship since I ripped him apart on him supporting the nutjobs who took it down. So yes I have willingly paid for my defending ALL religions personally.
I have it very clear to you also in the past I am not anti ANY religion. Just anti right wingers REGARDLESS OF religion.
And I am not an athiest. I just don't buy everything religious folks pitch - whether they are Hindus or Christians.
You guys can carry on. Don't intend tobread Mr. Diwanas earlier reply or your response. Pointless to debate dishonesty.
Re: Muslim Professor vs. Atheist Student
if you are not an atheist so which part of your religion you dont believe in…
let me here
Re: Muslim Professor vs. Atheist Student
I have said this to you multiple times. I have NEVER attacked Islam. And if ANYONE attacks Islam I would be among the first to defend it.
I have openly stood against Fundamentalist right wing folks who want to impose Islamic govt on all. Mr. Diwana has dishonestly and repeatedly confused that with attacking Islam. He should know better and so should you.
Re Babri Masjid issue I have wrecked a very close relationship since I ripped him apart on him supporting the nutjobs who took it down. So yes I have willingly paid for my defending ALL religions personally.
I have it very clear to you also in the past I am not anti ANY religion. Just anti right wingers REGARDLESS OF religion.
And I am not an athiest. I just don't buy everything religious folks pitch - whether they are Hindus or Christians.
You guys can carry on. Don't intend tobread Mr. Diwanas earlier reply or your response. Pointless to debate dishonesty.
Sorry don't mean to make this thread about you.
I just pointed out that you liked the atheistic post just like you approve any post which is against Islam or cheer anyone who writes against Islam but did not like Hinduism discussion.
If you are not against any religion then why approve atheistic ideas and why do that so selectively?
If you like Hinduism or agree with it then why act as atheism lover or anti-God thoughts????
Why the contradiction sir?
Bhai sahab, these tactics to develop confusion among people who like Islam is very old.
A lot of people who go out of Pakistan to get 'educated' become target for these techniques. Try new methods. ;)
And what do you mean by right winger? Really? Please give an example of right winger, you most likely will find yourself in that class as well. ;)
Re: Muslim Professor vs. Atheist Student
My point is why atheist is characterized as student in script? answer is to skip/pass/ignore the pertinent question (bolded one). because it is not a shame for a student to be unable to answer.
if you miss a step in logical inference/conclusion process, it is more likely you will come up with wrong answer. and you know all the questions and answer are inter-related. and student dident give a satisfying answer to bolded question.
Questino is : Who do you think made this universe?
following are possible honest replies to the question
Re: Muslim Professor vs. Atheist Student
You are being dishonest as always. I will repeat what I stated in that thread
I only was critical over your bigoted attitude towards Hindus - taking potshots at Hindus and Hinduism at every chance.
If you want to play the game of who liked whoses posts, out of 6 likes of Psyah post, 4 were from moderators. So what's your point again? ( that is a rhetorical question - you have none).
Cheers :)
why do you drag Mods in you every other post?
4 mods liked a post because it was defending their belief. You being a Hindu believe in EXISTACNE of God then why approve atheistic ideas? Just because it was in response to a Muslim's post?
Re: Muslim Professor vs. Atheist Student
he's talking to those who believe in the supernatural. trying to dumb it down for them. :)
He's getting himself in a twist by doing so ... We don't just believe in the Supernatural, our beliefs are documented ... Science can discern or observe the universe and it has stated that it was not always there ... So why does he raise this argument of it being always there? On the other hand our scriptures do say that God has no beginning, but additionally they are strictly saying that He is Unseen and furthermore they say He cannot be compared to anything that we know of ... The fact that this dude is comparing the Universe to God shows that He is unaware of how we view God. Some people don't want to accept a random universe and require intelligence to be the source of the way the universe has developed ... But Muslim require at least the whole shebang of Divine Attributes to be recognised when our idea of God is being entertained.
Re: Atheistic Professor vs Muslim Student
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Come philosophy ....you said "If God punishes for not worship therefore He needs worship" ... Explain this rationale!
Re: Muslim Professor vs. Atheist Student
Why would I say that? I don't need to fend of scientist - will go with peer reviewed Science hypothesis/ findings over what any religion States.
I wasn't talking to you ... But good to hear that ... Then you will accept that the universe was not always there just like Muslims do.
Re: Muslim Professor vs. Atheist Student
My point is why atheist is characterized as student in script? answer is to skip/pass/ignore the pertinent question (bolded one). because it is not a shame for a student to be unable to answer. if you miss a step in logical inference/conclusion process, it is more likely you will come up with wrong answer. and you know all the questions and answer are inter-related. and student dident give a satisfying answer to bolded question. Questino is : Who do you think made this universe? following are possible honest replies to the question 1) I have got no answer, sir 2) I dont know who created this universe, sir 3) I dont know who created this universe, sir, but I doubt someone must created this universe. either of these asnwers will change the flow of discussion of professor and student.
Peace ajazali
I like this detail you have picked up ... :) .... In order to be a dialogue of the same ilk as the previous two ... The student should not have been asked by the Muslim professor "Who do you think made the universe?" ... It is out character of a professor or a learned Muslim to be posing such a question to a student.
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
Peace ajazali
I like this detail you have picked up ... :) .... In order to be a dialogue of the same ilk as the previous two ... The student should not have been asked by the Muslim professor "Who do you think made the universe?" ... It is out character of a professor or a learned Muslim to be posing such a question to a student.
agreed, script writer traps the Muslim professor by putting his words in the mouth of professor.
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
Then you will accept that the universe was not always there just like Muslims do.
Actually no, b/c there is parallel existence and destruction that keeps going on...its energy...it was, has been, and will all ways be there... and now we know and can see how stars are created and dies (or at least have pretty good idea about it).
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
Actually no, b/c there is parallel existence and destruction that keeps going on...its energy...it was, has been, and will all ways be there... and now we know and can see how stars are created and dies (or at least have pretty good idea about it).
I'm talking about our universe ... It has not always been there in the form that we know it. Space and time have not always been there according to science ... In order for me to talk about science at the level of complexity that involves the Higgs field and probabilistic models ... It would only make me ask further questions about why such level of complexity should exist when the idea behind unified theories is to make things simpler.
Atheistic driven theories of the universe model are not tested, they are not observable and we can't put our five senses to them ... Using the science of the five senses we can't get further than what I have already stated. The rest is belief.