Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
religion = delusion
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
religion = delusion
Atheism can also be called delusion (False belief).
Hence calling religion as delusion does not prove anything.
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
Atheistic driven theories of the universe model are not tested, they are not observable and we can't put our five senses to them ... Using the science of the five senses we can't get further than what I have already stated. The rest is belief.
Now scientific theories also have a religious orientation.. LOL
Actually we have a lot of almost certain scientific findings which are beyond our five senses.. existence of radio waves.. lights from ultra and infra spectrums to name a few.
You are pretty consistent with terming science as a belief system.. unlike the views of major known and reputed science communities to whom we owe a lot for new discoveries and knowledge. I don't think your views will find significant science accredition from any serious science scholar.. Some particular type of readers actually get impressed with these views due to your linguistic skills.. The ideas however carry huge bias due to particular religious interpretations you believe..
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
Now scientific theories also have a religious orientation.. LOL **Actually we have a lot of almost certain scientific findings which are beyond our five senses.. existence of radio waves.. lights from ultra and infra spectrums to name a few. **You are pretty consistent with terming science as a belief system.. unlike the views of major known and reputed science communities to whom we owe a lot for new discoveries and knowledge. I don't think your views will find significant science accredition from any serious science scholar.. Some particular type of readers actually get impressed with these views due to your linguistic skills.. The ideas however carry huge bias due to particular religious interpretations you believe..
We cannot see infrared waves because it wavelength is too small (equal to size of bacteria), but we can feel them. How can you say that these ranges of spectrum are beyond our five senses?
Furthermore, we can see this range of spectrum with special cameras just as we can see bacteria with microscope
what you know, understand, can realize, can visualize is not beyond our five senses.
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
The brains that are put to work on this thread are awesome, It’s amazing how the OP thought of such a scenario to convince folks that God exists and reply’s from other party were equally amazing challenging the logic. Especially Queer’s post using the same scenario to prove his point.
If you see an amazing sand castle on beach at 2 a.m. but nobody around it. You can’t just assume, winds blew from north and east and this is how this amazing castle was built. You would immediately know someone built it and left. You would appreciate the designer of such an amazing castle if though you cant see him. There are much more amazing things out there than the sand castle… and most amazing thing is human brain. I refuse to agree that these amazing brains came from fish-frogs or monkeys. This brain we have, can’t be a result of some fluke in universe, I think we must give the credit where its due….We must appreciate the designer here and for that we have to agree that he exists.
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
Peace ajazali
You were right when you said that "infra-red" is not beyond our 5 senses, but you are not right when you say that understanding is not beyond our five senses ... The concept 2+2 =4 to be true ... is not grounded in our five senses, but from another faculty.
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
No yazdi …I do not confuse science for philosophy … This is a philosophy thread … When I say “atheistic driven theories” I mean it in the sense that some scientists are making poor arguments in the philosophical sense because they are working within assumption (parameters) and they have set these parameters to the idea that God does not exist from the onset …
Here look watch this video carefully and then see what I say is true or not.
4 Metaphysics and Epistemology | Marianne Talbot
in fact this video is KEY to finding out why I have my reservations with the Dawkins approach … And many other so called reasons given by atheists (for their insufficiency) in explaining morality … But often their media like taste for purporting unsound arguments … In the formal sense.
Marianne Talbot is a lecturer at Oxford University and I recommend her videos for an essential primer for the undertaking of REAL philosophy.
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
atheists have no morality is like saying muslims are terrorists. you need to grow EDITED] up, psyah.
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
atheists have no morality is like saying muslims are terrorists. you need to grow [edit] up, psyah.
Take a deep breath ... queer ... No one has said atheists have no morality ... However, your argument above is unsound.
Did you listen to video? I think not!
if you really wish to know what I had in mind when I mentioned the term "morality" ... It was based on the suggestion that morality ... is often explained away by atheistic minds through the process of reductionist reasoning ... (That is why you have to listen to that video) ....
If your argument above was sound and you were a Muslim ... Then you would be a terrorist ... Since as an atheist you clearly have a strong take on morality but fail to exercise simple courtesy and civil talk ...
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atheists explain morality way better than theists explain how their god doesnt need an origin.
talk about courtesy.. if theists could handle their ridiculous assumptions being questioned dispassionately without rioting and killing, this world would be a much nicer place.
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
atheists explain morality way better than theists explain how their god doesnt need an origin.
talk about courtesy.. if theists could handle their ridiculous assumptions being questioned dispassionately without rioting and killing, this world would be a much nicer place.
Peace queer
You wrongfully had a go at me earlier in very harsh terms ... The least you could do is apologise. The killing and rioters I have no jurisdiction over nor do I speak on the behalf of any of them ... So you can say what you like about them it won't make me angry if that is what you are trying to do ...
But an apology would be most suited here from you don't you think?
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Ok ... Not even an apology is required ... Just watch that video privately ... And enjoy it ... I posted it because it gets right to the root of philosophy.
:) ... Peace
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
Peace ajazali
You were right when you said that "infra-red" is not beyond our 5 senses, but you are not right when you say that understanding is not beyond our five senses ... The concept 2+2 =4 to be true ... is not grounded in our five senses, but from another faculty.
Peace psyah
2+2 =4 or 11+11 = 22 is an example of natural number system. generally we understand base 10 number system. I understand this system and can covert it to other base system, say base 16 (hexadecimal). These numbers are just symbols and we utilize them to solve our problems.
To talk about a thing we do not understand we must understand that thing at abstract or higher level.
Actully I was talking about the understanding with respect to **why we cant see infra-red with naked eye **and that is because of its smaller wavelenght
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
We cannot see infrared waves because it wavelength is too small (equal to size of bacteria), but we can feel them. How can you say that these ranges of spectrum are beyond our five senses? Furthermore, we can see this range of spectrum with special cameras just as we can see bacteria with microscope what you know, understand, can realize, can visualize is not beyond our five senses.
You can see a bacteria with microscope but you can not see an atom with the best microscope invented so far. But we know that atom exists.. it is the smallest particle of an element which if sub divided will cease to exist as the same element... thus the atomic theory.. to explain the phenomenon with the help of sub atomic particles like electron, neutrons and protons.. and their numbers which give particular unique properties to a certain element. We know the existence of an atom as a fact although our five senses can not confirm the existence of an atom.
The argument was being made that if something can not be observed with the help of our five senses.. it is a belief system. Thus a lot of atheist theories have infiltrated science to follow atheist agenda.
At least I find this type of so called philosophical reasoning as absurd..
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
Even if something can be ascertained by our five senses it is still a belief ... The only thing we know is that we think. For the scientist it is enough to assume that the Sun will rise again tomorrow because it has been rising everyday in the past, but for the philosopher just because previous days have resulted in sunrises it does not mean tomorrow will result in a sunrise.
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
Even if something can be ascertained by our five senses it is still a belief ... The only thing we know is that we think. For the scientist it is enough to assume that the Sun will rise again tomorrow because it has been rising everyday in the past, but for the philosopher just because previous days have resulted in sunrises it does not mean tomorrow will result in a sunrise.
To make any significant advancement in the field of philosophy the first requirement is you need a free-open mind. Your ability to question anything.. even if you don't have the answers you must be able to question. In your case you have certain answers which you never dare to question... the whole exercise of philosophical discussion-imagination for you is to justify your belief system driven out of your interpretation of religion.. which already has fixed pre determined answer which you can not question..
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
You can see a bacteria with microscope but you can not see an atom with the best microscope invented so far. But we know that atom exists.. it is the smallest particle of an element which if sub divided will cease to exist as the same element... thus the atomic theory.. to explain the phenomenon with the help of sub atomic particles like electron, neutrons and protons.. and their numbers which give particular unique properties to a certain element. We know the existence of an atom as a fact although our five senses can not confirm the existence of an atom.
The argument was being made that if something can not be observed with the help of our five senses.. it is a belief system. Thus a lot of atheist theories have infiltrated science to follow atheist agenda.
At least I find this type of so called philosophical reasoning as absurd..
look at who is talking about philosophical reasoning ..... you made a false argrument that infrared is beyond five senses and now about atoms and it parts(electrons, neutrons , protons)
Anything you touch and feel, you actually feel atoms. If you eat cake we can say you are eating flour, milk solids, egg , ingredients of a cake.
furthormore, you dont even know that we can even feel electrons . If touch a hot iron rod it will hurt you, why?
when you heat an iron rod, it increases the movement of electron so high that hurt you.
Re: Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
Peace queer
You wrongfully had a go at me earlier in very harsh terms ... The least you could do is apologise. The killing and rioters I have no jurisdiction over nor do I speak on the behalf of any of them ... So you can say what you like about them it won't make me angry if that is what you are trying to do ...
But an apology would be most suited here from you don't you think?
peace psyah,
did i hurt your feelings? well you can thank me for not saying what i really should have said and bring you out of your pretend world of piety used to disguise your cheap taunts at atheists.
when do you quit gs again? this time will your pitiful theist will power last for over 2 weeks? i doubt it.
Re: Muslim Professor vs. Atheist Student
This post was liked by two members who did not like Hinduism negative effects on Pakistani culture. Namley, Southie and Calypsodc.
Either Hinduism beliefs are same as atheism or these two members are fake atheists merely want those who support Islam to become doubtful. The latter seems to be more likely. ;)
oh ok. it was also liked by a 3rd person - i dont know him much but name sounds muslim, does this make him a hindu atheist blahblah too? please provide your awesomely meaningless analysis, o diwana. could it be that not everyone likes an arrogant theist telling others they are going to hell?
Professor vs. student: Discussion on God
Let's keep our heads cool and let's not get personal.
queer, let's concentrate on the topic and not why psyah is or isn't quitting. For the record, I had communicated with psyah on a personal level and requested to be part of discussions in GS.