Problems with Sahih

Watcher is known to call Shia Hadith false and irregular ect. ect But now I have proof that Shaihs are wrong and contradict the Quran!

The books of Sihah, especially the sahih of al-Bukhari and Muslim,
both have conveyed hadiths from the Holy Prophet (s.w.) in which
many human characteristics such as face, eyes, hands, fingers,
legs, feet, andetc… have been attributed to Allah. In those hadiths
it is also said that He laughs, has a certain place, He comes down
from heaven to the terrestrial world, and soon 1].
Now, our question is:
a\ How could the ancestors accept such fabricated hadiths? Why
didn’tthey check the chain of narrators of these hadiths? Does not
these hadiths clearly refer to incarnation?
b\ How could the ancestors urge the Muslims to believe in the
outwardmeaning of such hadiths without searching the
inwardmeaning 2], since their outward meaning forces us to
believe in the incarnation of Allah,and the Sunnis do not believe in
incarnation, especially when it is to beattributed to Allah, the
Exalted?
c\ The same Sihah have conveyed other part of prophetic hadiths
which declare that a human being can see Allah, the Exalted, by his
natural eyes, and that in the Dooms Day He shall appear to those
who see as a fullmoon 3]. According to this, all Sunni scholars,
narrators, and the imams of the four main sects of Islam, believe
that it is possible to see Allah, the Exalted, and have considered
that as one of the principles thatconsist theirbelief 4]. Moreover,
imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal regards anyone who does not believe in
the possibility of seeing Allah as an irreligious infidel and a
polytheist (tafseer al-Manar, vol.9, p.135).
Here, we ask:
Does not the meaning of those hadiths contradict the concepts of
theHoly Quran in which Allah, the Exalted says:
“Visioncomprehends Him not, and He comprehends (all) vision…”(Anam: 103); and "he said: My Lord! show me (Thyself), so that I may look upon Thee. He said: You cannot (bear to) see Me..."(Araaf: 143);
and “nothing like a likeness ofHim”(Shura: 11); and “And when you
said: O Musa! we will not believe in you untill we see Allah
manifestly, so the punishment overtook you whileyou looked
on”(Baqarah: 55).
And does not such a notion contradict rational intelligence, since
looking upon something requires that the seen thing exists in a
certain place,and that it is a certain distance away from looker.
Consequently, both the looker and the seen thing shall be in front
of each others, and such condition cannot apply to the Creator, the
Exalted, because that meansthat His Holy Essence must be
regarded as a certain material; and thus,He shall be in need of an
abode and direction. But, as we know, suchconditions are only
related to materials, and it is also known that theSunni ulama do not believe in incarnation? Now, if these hadiths are contrary to the Holy Quran and rational intelligence, then how could Sunni ulama accept them and
agree upo nthem without even discussing their chains of narrators
ordocumentation? However, is it correct to agree on these hadiths
onlybecause they have been mentioned in the two Sahihs?

shah jahan this is good stuff..but the thing is u started alot of topics together..it will take time to read them all

again shia are not hadith rejecter..they do reject these sahi books..as u can see why

lets not forget about this topic people

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See Sherrazz I post something and no one replys coz they know that they will only face the truth!

Can you belive these people consider these books after Quran! In These books it is written that Allah has a face which is totally against the Quran! This Shows What liers ansd followers of disgusting things these people are!

Watcher you make me sick!

You are scared to admit and that why struggling to prove your point even if it means distorting hadiths and quranic verses. Shame on you man.

QURAN AND SUNNAH is the truth, come to it. YOUR IMAAMS ARE NOT the truth.


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shah jahan,,,
i still dont' see your pt....i mean, i read the musa event and all,,,but that is because we think of ALLAH AS NOOR.....LIGHT>>.>>dont' you?
and if you really wish to prove your pt. can you please give me specific volume, page, numbers to reconfirm ur references.
Thanks.

Wather thanks for sharing the url with other ppl it will give a good perspective of us shias…
I’m not here to say who is right and who is wrong..
If the most ifluential and prolific Islammic scholar Ahmed deedad doesnt have a problem with shias then who the hell are you to say we shias distort Quranic verses and full of shit..Like I said everything has a deeper meaning you ppl take it so literally and expose it in a dirtiest way!.
Once you claimed we shia believe that “All mighty Allah” also makes mistakes and He forgets..ASTAGHFIRULLAH ..use your common sense here.. Talk to shia scholars before making such dumb assumptions Do’nt be completely one sided.
Thank You

thanks sherrybaba

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exactly right..i just wish people out there are as smart as u are

Thanks for the compliment man..Well I just felt what I wanted to say for a long time..
Looking at the extrmes site wont help at all ofcourse they gonna refer to our books and pinpoint all the negative aspects without doing a teeny miny research.Thas not the right approach.. If you really are looking for the answers talk to both noted scholars and then express your view about it…simple!
making false assumptions is soooo tempting .

The Watcher,
Refrain from making personal attacks, they are neither appreciated nor tolerated in this forum.

I still have not got my answer on Why in the Shahis Allah is Given a face which is as Wtacher puts it SHIRK?

Forget the stone go ask your Mullahs why people gave Allah human features!

Watcher You are right Quran and Sunnah is the right way! And your (fake) hadiths are totally not the right Sunnah!

Your Sahis are full of SHIRK, SHIRK and more SHIRK!

I want answers to my Question on Giving god a face, hands ect. ect!

My Lord! show me (Thyself), so that I may look
upon Thee. He said: You cannot (bear to) see Me..."(A`raaf: 143);

Your Sahis totally contradict this Ayat!(now look who is doing SHIRK)

"Vision comprehends Him not, and He comprehends (all) vision..."(An`am:
103);

So how the HELL can you give god a vision?
Again A big SHIRK by you guys!

Watcher roll down your sleeves buddy, authorities are keeping an eye on us (only).

Shia brothers and Sisters, accept my apology.

May Allah be your Hafiz

Girly, who did I made personal attacks on? What is this? Could you recall what I said? You said refrain from making personal attacks, like I been doing that since I started posting? Could you tell me what exactly I said?

How come you don’t say anything about people who are posting false info? And only we are being bombarded with…why act so one-sided? Why is it when we say something(from quran and sunnah with references) it hurts the most inner nerve in you guys, and when they post all kinds of garbage and lies that are very contradictory to Quran and sunnah, it is disregarded and ignore, WHY? anyway! Take it easy.

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All you guys belong to shia cult/creed or something, that anything against shia is not accepted and anything against others is welcomed? [Just asking]


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I believe it was directed at Shah Jahan, could i recall what you said? Watcher, just scroll up.

Watcher, http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/001624.html

You guys, everyone’s entitled to their own views, and u should be able to respect that. I’m not asking you to respect what they believe in, thats up to you, i am asking you to respect their right, their freedom to think/believe whatever it is they wish to believe. However, at the same time, disrespect towards any other religion, religious figure or fellow member will not be tolerated.

Freedom of conscience is laid down by Allah swt in the Qur’an:‘There is no compulsion in religion’.(2:256)

What do you call a person who says I am a Muslim, yet he or she does not hold some of the beliefs as quran says? I don’t have any problem with their believes. All I have problem is that they say they are Muslims, yet they contradict with quran and sunnah. There are many things I can list that shia practice yet are contradictory to Quran, here such as:

Taqiyyah(concealment of truth, lying)
Considering Ali superior than Mohammad
Asking Imaams for help and not Allah.
Making Imaams a mediator between Allah and themselves
Going to graves and asking the dead for help
etc, etc.

Those things are NOT part of Islam, how can a person practice those and still call himself a Muslim?

I apologize, if I have disrespected anyone personally.

Thank you, good luck. Take it easy.

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[QUOTE]
Originally posted by The Watcher:
*What do you call a person who says I am a Muslim, yet he or she does not hold some of the beliefs as quran says? *

There is no need to call them anything.

I don't have any problem with their believes.

Then leave them to their beliefs and stop trying to prove them wrong.

*All I have problem is that they say they are Muslims, yet they contradict with quran and sunnah. *

They say they are Muslim because they "believe" that they are Muslim. Everyone has a right to "believe" whatever they want to believe.

Problems arise when we try to force our beliefs down someone else's throats.

If I was forced to express my opinion on a controversial subject I would be inclined to simply say what I believe and leave it at that. I would not venture into declaring anyone else either right or wrong, especially when it comes to spiritual and religious matters where there is a much higher authority in charge.

*I apologize, if I have disrespected anyone personally. *

It's nice of you to apologize. Do keep in mind that repeated apologies get tiresome and lose impact with increased frequency.

Muzna ji,
Take it easy sir

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Oops…sorry…ok i change it,
take it easy madam

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thanks muzna ji..that was a nice reply

Sherazz ji,

The reply applies to everyone, not just Watcher.

I'm sure that you understand that.

Take care ji.