President Trump tweet on Pakistan

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He is an idiot, I don’t think anyone ever questions that now. The problem is, this idiot is now POTUS. He is a known liar, everyone agrees to that as well. Regardless of what Pakistan has done or will ever do, Pakistan will be asked to ‘do more’. Until and unless Pakistan cuts itself in half and hands over west to Afghanistan and east to India only then they will stop asking to do more. POTUS is now speaking the language US establishment wants to speak, he now realizes the need of Military Inc. and the power of CPEC that would allow China to provide its materials/goods at even cheaper and faster rate to the western part of Euro-Asia, Middle East and Africa so it now needs to cry more and more.

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Very nice video clip… maja ae gaya… good one… bottom line no matter how you slice or dice it amreeka ki g..d mein aag lagi hoi hey :slight_smile:

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One should actually like FM’s response to dump:

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Response of the FM is wonderful
Let’s hope , We can know little more , if allowed to tell truth

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One American is saying

[Richard N. Haass

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In last 24 hours Trump has threatened to 1) cut aid to nuclear-armed, terrorist-laden Pakistan; 2) cut aid to miffed Palestinians after he alters US Jerusalem policy, and 3) boasted his nuclear button is bigger than Kim Jung-un’s. This is our commander-in-chief. Think about it.

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Well to answer a foolish like Trump is also foolishness. But we have take notice seriously because a foolish enemy is more dangerouse than a wise enemy.

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Now get ready if someone loses his pea-size mind, whole world can be poofed just like that

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where is 33 billion spent in pakistan? can someone pls answer this question? 33 billion is still a big number. our response is that 33 billion is to improve our roads, infrastructure and other logistics etc but where? from karachi to peshawar, those roads are still in terrible position. we did not spend a single dollar on infrastructure? so where did this money go?

we know the answer but we dont want to admit

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maeray mohtram sir jee, if you read my post with less emotions, you will realize that I was raising a totallly different question. my question was why do we lie in our narrative? when US and their allies blame us for supporting afghan taliban/haqqani network who attack on Afghan cities and allied froces, we say bul****, we have sacrificed 70K lives but that is a white lie. we did not sacrifice a singe life fighting afghan taliban/haqqanis. we actually supported them one way or the other. we lost 70K fighting TTP which has an intrrnal agenda in Pakistan and who does not attack allied forces or afghan citizens. That is why our narrative is so weak.

I never said that US does not support TTP or shelter them

so sir jee, why cant Pak army establishment stand up and say the right narrative. why cant they say openly and publicly (not behind the dorrs) that Yes we support haqqani/afghan taliban because this is in alignment with our strategic objectives to control afghanistan to gain freakin strategic dept and counter india instead of keep on repeating we lost 70K lives when they did not lose one person fighting afghan taliban.

they cannot say it openly because we are on wrong side of the history. afghan taiban/haqqani are dark forces and there is no room for these animals in today’s world.

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those who are sitting in UK, US and Europe and raising patriotic slogans and inviting USA to come fight with us, bhai logo you will be safe in your homes but poor pakistan will be destroyed like iraq, afghnaistan and syria. first move your families to pakistan, then you can raise as much jingoistic slogans as you want. thx

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did we ever ask why our immediate neghibors hate us so much? india, iran, bangaldesh, afghanistan

why cant we have some working relationship with india? why cant we control hafiz saeed type proxies? why do we need to jihad everywhere

why do we need to control kabul and Afghanistan? why cant we leave Afghanistan alone? why not? how stupid strategic depth narrative is. we are supporting animals called afghan taliban. we will never win this narrative. never

who in pak stops us from doing this? we all know the answer but we dont want the answer i guess

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We are playing as usual double game
Soon after tweet we took action against Hafiz Saeed’s JuD & FIF
His famous terrorist center at Mureekay is occupied by government
And check our defense minister’ statement about JuD now

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what did our defense minister say bt JUD? can you pls provide the link thx

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It looks like you are on some H1-B type visa and are so much more loyal than the king as you are afraid that you might be deported. I had a pakistani like that who would insult Pakistan in front of our gora boss so much so that he didn’t even say that much against Pakistan when he would talk to me.

As far as narrative goes, no one says that they are bad. US never mentions that it is supporting a cleansing of Yemen by the saudis or the fact that haqqanis weren’t declared as terrorists until 2012 well after talks failed since karzai and co. didn’t want them sitting in kabul and america offered them eastern afghanistan which they already controlled at that point. I would agree with you that policymaking shouldn’t be the job of the military but then lackeys of this forum will come scream conspiracy, economic disaster if one god forbids say anything against the Shareefs.

Who controlled the foreign ministry since 2013 until he was un*ceremoniously kicked out of power few months ago? *

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US should work together instead of saying ‘no more’: Khurram Dastagir - Pakistan](http://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/421827-US-no-more-Khurram-Dastagir-Afghanistan-Trump)DunyaNews Pakistan
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He is Rana Sanaullah of our army

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This has nothing to do with the subject. PD’s apprehensions are correct. When OBL was taken out from Abottabad garrison what did army do? Nothing.

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dopple, there was no need to get personal. i respect you as a good poster and I will not go into a personal war. and no I am not on H1B, so no insecurity there…and no goars come to this froum, so i dont need to impress any gora. these are my viewpoints to strengthen paksitan

The problem is that our establishment has lied so much that at this point our public is totally confused and the moment you say something different from establishment, you are labeled as unpatriotic apologetic

and you think our establishment does not lie? well your own ex-Chief of army staff and president Musharaff declared few days ago that we shd kill those Pakistani citizens who oppose us and are living in foreign countries and then simple refuse to admit it. listen to the link below from 10.30-11.50. he is saying it publicly so obviously he and his organization must be practicing this when he was in power (say something and do something, take money from usa and help afghan taliban/haqiins. right?)

and who was controlling the foreign ministry since 2013? not nawaz sharif. are you kidding me. he got zero control on foreign issues especially india, Afghanistan, usa. he can go visit 50 countries but he got no control. you know that. right? PPP did not have any control on foreign policy either. only army has control over foreign policy for last 70 years

the problem is that we are failing to realize that the world around us has changed. our army is failing to get it. the fact of the matter is that we dont need control in Afghanistan. we dont need strategic depth. we dont need to control who rules in kabul. we have been in this mess for 40 years wishing to control Afghanistan and our whole country has become a burning graveyard. why do we always side with dark forces? hafiz saeed, afghan taliban, haqqanis, azhar masood, and the list goes on and on

but if that is what we want, then our establishment need to stand up and tell the truth. show me one post from our leadership in response to trump tweet where we said that we side with afghan taliban/haqqins for our strategic interests, so take a hike trump. All we say is that hey we lost 70K lives when not one of those lives was lost in fighting afgan taliban/haqqins. that is what I am pointing out

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the answer is simple. YES WE CAN SURVIVE WITHOUT DIRECT US AID. no issue there. it is not that much. but there is more to it. can we survive without IMF/world bank aid. the answer is NO and who controls IMF/world bank? USA. we immediately need 3-4 billion dollars from IMF in a verynear future as our foreign reserves are drying dramatically. we are in a complete mess financially

now a better question to ask, can our amry generals, senior bureaucrats, seasoned politicians survive when pretty much all of them have their kids settled in the US or europe. the answer is NO. there you go

and last, can our army survive without US support of repair parts and materials? the answer is resounding NO. we dont have much chinese or russian weapons. this is what scares our amry the most

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and to your point, i raised these 2 questions in post 15](http://gupshup.org/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=15) above and folks started to get mad at me:

  1. what if USA takes hafiz saeed down by a drown strike? he is roaming around openly these days and is an easy target. if you dont know, hafiz saeed is an internationally designated terrorist and in April 2012, the United States announced a bounty of $10 million on him and US can pursue any terrorist anywhere on this planet as it has in the past without any legal implications.** if this happens what will we do? will be utter humiliation for us and matter of great joy for India**

  2. reports suggest that US agencies are vigorously gathering intelligence about haqqani and afghan taliban leadership whereabouts in Quetta, Peshawar, Karachi and punjab. what if Americans carry drone strikes on our cities targeting these leaders? we all saw how pathetic, buzdal, ineffective, and loser we were when Americans came for bin laden. our army became a laughing stock globally. we will become a laughing stock again. do we have any strategy? are we going to take those drones down? what if they are manned?