Presence of Shirk among sunni and shia muslims [merged]

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I was wondering where this post had gone :slight_smile: Didnt know a whole new thread had been started. Glad I found it. Really stimulates room for research.

Zer01-- I do not follow deobandi,hanafi uleyma like thanvi/makki or madani and if you see my original thread, i’ve agreed to sunnis commiting farrrrrr more shirk than any other followers.

Now coming back to topic. The ayat reference you gave me-- Surah Baqrah # 254. I will not go into the tafseer because, for obvious reasons, we differ. We’ll just go with the basic, word-for-word translation.

2:154: And say not of those who are SLAIN in God’s cause, “They are dead”: nay, they are alive, but you perceive it not.

The arabic for slain is ‘qatal’. In this ayat it is : ‘yuqtalu’

Two more examples of the word SLAIN/qatal are:

2:72 For, O children of Israel, because you had SLAIN a human being and then cast the blame for this [crime] upon one another -although God will bring to light what you would conceal. (Arabic for slain in this ayat is : ‘qataltum’

3:144 AND MUHAMMAD is only an apostle; all the [other] apostles have passed away before him: if, then, he dies or is SLAIN, will you turn about on your heels? (arabic for slain in this ayat is: ‘qutila’)

Mohammad was not SLAIN. He died a natural death or departed naturally(as CR would like to hear it).

Coming to Ali, yes, he was assasinated and hence SLAIN. But what I dont see in this ayat is an indication to ask the SLAIN to help us, it just says they are alive (where? we arent told, how? we arent told). Instead I see teh ayat posted by teh user above:

Allah SWT says in Surah Baqarah to Muhammad SAW to inform us that when we invoke to Him, He hears us, and that He replies to our invocations.

–If Allah SWT is directly telling us that there is no need for a medium between Him and us, then why try otherwise?—

It would be correct to say Ali is not dead like the rest of us who die but would it be correct to ADD the fact taht we can ask him for help EVEN if its through teh ‘VIA’ route? Surely you arent commiting such a sin of adding to the words of Allah…or are you?

Im sorry but I dont see the need for correction here. You say taht teh most aply word for death in URDU is in te qaal. I had not defined death in urdu and I dont think my post was in Urdu. Had it been in Urdu and I said chal diyay or mar gaye, your correction would’ve made sense.

Lets not get into teh websters of death or person or body or soul. death simply means cessation of vital organs and vital organs are considered your heart,brain,.. I didnt mention the soul. I simiply said both cannot be called upon in this world for help and I still stand by that. You can refer to teh post above mine or the ayat I quoted above.

I read this without a biased mind. Give it a try. I dont think a person could explain it any easier and factly than these handful of words. May Allah keep us all away from Shirk.

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Please refrain from calling Hazrat Ali A.S dead(nazubillah). He was killed while offering prayers at the mosque and following is the honor of such a person in the light of Quran

[2:154] And do not speak of those who are slain in Allah’s way as dead; nay, (they are) alive, but you do not perceive.

I am not an Alim to give a scholarly interpreation of saying Ya Ali Madad but following is my personal view on the matter… so do not interpret it as a practice or teachings of a sect.

I believe when someone says Ya Ali Madad he is using Hazrat Ali A.S. as a waseela of Allah SWT and not interpreting him as God. Personally I don’t see anything wrong with using Hazrat Ali AS as wasila from Allah SWT. Because even at the time of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. Prophet himself has used Hazrat Ali AS as wasila himself… An example would be the battle of Khyber where after days of unSuccess… Prophet P.B.U.H. finally called Hazrat Ali A.S as a wasila from Allah SWT to defeat Khyber… had Prophet P.B.U.H wanted… he could have just prayed to Allah SWT and Allah could have send an army of Ababeel or anything Allah SWT desired to help as in the past…(Please read the 5 verses of chapter 105 on the link below):
http://al-islam.org/quran/

but Prophet P.B.U.H. used Hazrat Ali AS as wasila… similarly on the night of Hijrat he asked Hazrat Ali AS to sleep in his bed … Similarly Hazrat Ali AS was a waseela in the battle of Khandaq where Umar Ibne Abduwad crossed the Khandaq and challenged Prophet … Prophet could have cursed him… but he used Hazrat Ali AS as a waseela from Allah SWT… a good example where Ahleybait were used as a wasila from God can be seen at the event of Mubahalah … where non muslims argued with Prophet P.B.U.H. for days but they were still not convinced and it got to a point that the following verse was revealed

Glorious Quran Chapter 3 Verse 61:And unto him who disputeth with thee therein after the knowledge hath come unto thee, Say ! ( O’ Our Apostle Muhammad ! ) ( Unto them ) come ye, let us summon our sons, and ( ye summon ) your sons, and ( we summon ) our women and ( ye ) your women, and ( we summon ) ourselves and then let us invoke the curse of God on the liars !

http://al-islam.org/history/history/mubahila.html
When the above verse was revealed of all the companions and family member … Prophet P.B.U.H. chose his Ahleybait A.S. (Bibi Fatima Zehra SA, Hazrat Ali AS, Hazrat Hassan AS and Hazrat Hussain AS) and when they saw the ahleybait they refused to do the mubahila. The fact that Prophet chose them when quran asked to curse on liars…shows the high status they had.

During the time of Prophet P.B.U.H.. Ahleybait were known for helping poor and needy… (Read the commentary or chapter 76 on the link below)

http://al-islam.org/quran/

I believe if someone says Ya Ali Madad he knows he is going to get help on the will of Allah SWT… but there is no way he is interpreting Hazrat Ali AS as Allah SWT (nauzubillah) because the fact that Hazrat Ali AS was matyred in the mosque during Salat shows that he himself bowed to Allah SWT. As muslims we all know that Prophet P.B.U.H. says everything on Allah’s will and it was Prophet P.B.U.H. who made Hazrat Ali AS … Maula for all of us…“For whoever I am his Leader (mawla), 'Ali is his Leader (mawla).”

http://al-islam.org/ghadir/

Due to his bravery Hazrat Ali AS was awarded a sword (Zulfiqar) by Allah SWT. Since Hazrat Ali A.S. was used as a waseela of God by Prophet P.B.U.H. and the fact that he declared him him as mawla… … don’t see anything wrong with using him as a waseela…

I hope that might clear things up. I am not an Alim to give a scholarly interpretation of saying Ya Ali Madad but following is my personal view on the matter…

Some letters and sermons by Mawla Ali can be found on the link below:
http://www.al-islam.org/nahjul/index.htm

http://al-islam.org/encyclopedia/

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Here is my take on the topic.

I Would like to share my understanding of concept of prayer.

Prayer is often reffered as a plea to a diety for help, intervention, blessing and spritual uplift.

The term pray or Prayer is also used in case of plea to highest authority for intervention and seeking help or resolving a dispute.

for example:

ref1. ref2

Islamically prayers are reserved for One God Allah Almighty. But at the same time second type of ‘prayer’ is not wrong either . Because technically is not a call for a devine intervention but merely a call for help from worldy authority or governing body.

Now this is important

When a call for help is directed towards a diety , or personality not present in physical form among us, then it become prayer… on the other hand when a prayer is directed at a governing body, an authority in this world then it become plea ( a call for help or intervention)

In Islam 1st type of prayer is considered prayer in escense. and It can only be Directed to Allah Almighty no one else, the second type of prayer is not a prayer at all, it is just a plea for wordly/ material help

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Shirk is explained in quran in easiest manner and to smallest details, there is no question of ambiquity whatsoever.

But we (sadly) do not pay heed to Quran.

Like many ayat, which clearly tells that there is absolutely no pardon for Shirk. and it is the biggest sin in front of Allah.

here is the verse of quran which makes it crystal clear

Sora Fatir (35)

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Those people who pray to Muhammad (pbuh), Ali(ra) , Saints or Angels can read quran and find quidance. Although, praying to other dieties /personalities beside Allah is against the fundamental belief of ISlam, but some ignorant muslim do that due to ignorance. May Allah guide us. ameen

Some of the examples of how it penetrates in our society and cuture.

There are Qawali and Sufiana kalaam. Most of them are good meaningful and enlightening.

Just like a qawali goes like

*Allah ke hazoor mian sar ko jhuka ke dekh
milta hai kia numaaz, sajdey mian jakey daikh

*Some of the stuff can be very wrong at time. One rule of poetry is that unless and until someone is addressed by name clearly, the verse would be considered vague and any meaning can be drawn, but once you name the personality then the meaning is fixed

consider these wordings of famous qawali
*
Bhar do jholi meri ya muhammad
lout kar main na jaoonga khali…

  • This prayer clearly addresses prophet muhammad (pbuh) and saying this is clearly forbidden and it is called shirk
    similarly a famous kalaam (not penned by any revered sait but devotee later on)

Mawaaan nu peera bachrey dena aain
bhenaaan nu dena aain weer mila
jhuley laalan , sewan da , sindhri da
Sakhi shahbaaz qalandar
*
It clearly depicts a very sad patern of belief in rural and urban pakistan where people beleive that saints can hear their prayer and bestow them with children. Clearly this was not the teaching of these saints but people later on crossed all limitits of devotion and started treating them as dieties. and started praying them instead of Allah.

This is the same patern which was followed throughout history. As people used to love and adore the noble personalities among them and after their death they crossed all limits of devotion and started worshiping them in the form of prayers directly addressed to them.

The holy quran has cautioned and warned this patern of human nature and told in very clear term that it is shirk and Allah will never forgive those who commit it. But sadly it is present in ourt communities both among sunnies and shia. The main reason is ignorance and turning blind eye to quran.

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very good post by bro code_red

Wrestling!!!
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I had written this article a year ago, its a huge one once you all can find time read it.
Miraculous Powers of Dead or Shirk

Today’s Muslims have transcended a different path, where they have found indispensable partners to prostrate, pray to Awliyas and equalizing the attributes of Allaah (Subhana wa taaala) nauzbillaah. These individuals have forgotten the Quran where Allaah states clearly
Purpose of Creation

I have only created Jinns and Men, that they may worship Me alone **Surah 51:56**

If this does not suffice an individual then Allaah (Subhana wa taaala) asserts Tauheed clearly in Surah Al-Fatiha

Thee (Allaah) do we worship and Thine (Allaah) help we seek. **Surah 1:4** (This is repeated 17 times a day i.e. only the obligatory prayers).

We as Muslims we start everything from the name of Allaah, Bismillaah.

But then how come Muslims are into this grave darkness of worshipping graves. Read the above quoted verses of Quran again.

Grave Worship

Now be glad to hear what Allaah states for these Individuals in Quran,

It is Allah who created the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them in six days; then He established Himself above the Throne. You have not besides Him any protector **(Wali) or any intercessor; so will you not be reminded? Surah 32:4**

Read the above verse a million times, if you cannot understand. This is a thought provoking verse, check the question mark in the end. Not yet satisfied, wait for another Word of Allaah (Subhana wa taaala) below,

And not equal are the living and the dead. Indeed, Allah causes to hear whom He wills, but you cannot make hear those in the graves **Surah 35:22**

If you read the verses 19-22 of the same Surah in the Glorious Quran, Allaah (Subhana wa taaala) clearly differentiates the believers and the disbelievers. I pray to Allaah (Subhana wa taaala) that you all can spare sometime, by sacrificing few minutes of entertainment.

The above mentioned verses are crystal clear of Allaah’s (Subhana wa taaalas) definition of Tauheed. Not still satisfied, then we shall go ahead with the warning of Allaah (Subhana wa taaala) for them who fall into the cadre of Shirk.

Allaah’s (Subhana wa taaalas) Warning

Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him (SHIRK), but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills, And he who associates others with Allah has certainly gone far astray. **Surah 4:116**

I am glad to reply to some individuals, who turn deaf ears towards the above verse and claim SHIRK or Grave Worship does not throw you away from the pale of Islam or Kufr.

Imaan or Faith

We as Muslims it’s our Imaan, that Allaah (Subhana wa taaala) revealed his Words to Prophet Mohammed First is the Glorious Quran, then Second the Sunnah of Prophet Mohammed, If you think the Sunnah is negated then I am sorry, your argument is defied when you are questioned, the Method to pray is not there in the Quran but in the Ahadeeth of Prophet Mohammed

Allaah clearly states

Say, [O Muhammad sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam], “If you should love Allah, then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” **Surah 3:31**

We know that our beloved Prophet Mohammed abhorred Grave worship from Authentic Hadeeth
"The curse of Allâh falls upon the Jews and Christians for they have made their Prophets’ tombs places of worship."** Then he said:"Do not make my tomb a worshipped idol."**
Please do ponder the above Hadeeth and the Quranic verse respectively. I hope it states clearly the Prophet Mohammed cursed this people. [Just a hunch, the Jews and the Christians were Muslims amazed, then stop thinking who were Moses (Peace be Upon Him) and Jesus (Peace be Upon Him) respectively; Muslims, as they revealed the same Message that There is no God but Allaah, but later there nations, deviated from the Word of Allaah (Subhana wa taaala) and you know why Allaah (Subhana wa taaala) curses them in the Quran.

The Words of Allaah (Subhana wa taaala) is the truth, so are we Muslims engaged in SHIRK. Hope the one indulged in this act does understand and contemplates on this issue.

Prophet Mohammed *Salutation ***
The Peers, the Muftis engaged in this prohibited and unforgiving act by Allaah (Subhana wa taaala) forget to tell the Muslims Ummah upfront
*O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result *Surah 4:59**

The verse if read meticulously, clearly defines, the importance of rejecting or accepting Word of Allaah (Subhana wa taala) the Glorious Quran and Sunnah of Prophet Mohammed. We know through Hadeeth Prophet never did any act other then Worshipping Allaah (Subhana wa taaala) as this was the purpose of creation of Allaah (Subhana wa taaala). Why we Muslims are then deviated in Worshipping the Awliyas.

Prophet Mohammed mentions in Hadeeth visit the Graves only to remember your next life and hereafter.

*It was narrated from Buraydah ibn al-Husayb (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to teach them, when they went out to the graveyard, to say: “*Al-salaamu ‘alaykum ahl al-diyaar min al-mu’mineen wa’l-Muslimeen, wa inna in sha Allaah lalaahiqoon. As’al Allaah lana wa lakum al-‘aafiyah (Peace be upon you, O inhabitants of the graves, believers and Muslims. Verily we will, in sha Allaah, join you. I ask Allaah for well-being for us and for you).”” **
Prophet Mohammed in his lifetime prescribed the above supplication, now who are we to innovate or Bida’h and go against the Word of Allaah (Subhana wa taaala) and Sunnah.

**Islam: Perfect Religion **
Allaah (Subhana wa taaala) in the Glorious Quran mentions

This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you andhave approved for you Islam as religion. **Surah 5:3**

1400 years ago the above verse was revealed to Prophet Mohammed individuals who disbelieve in the above verses clearly state that Allaah (Subhana wa taaala) and Prophet Mohammeddid not perfect the religion and Allaah (Subhana wa taaala) nauzbillah is telling lies. Prophet Mohammed Roman nauzbillah had some deficiency that Prophet could not convey the complete message

Then read the below verse of Quran

And whoever desires other than Islam as religion-never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers Surah 3:85.

Desiring Islam is not by accepting that I am a Muslim but to follow Quran and the right guided way of Prophet Mohammed We Muslims should not forget that our Imaam is Prophet Mohammed and it is obligatory to follow his teachings revealed by Allaah (Subhana wa taala).
Wakhiru Dawah wa Allhamdullillaahi wa Rabilalameen.

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Pardon me..

You quote this from the Quran : this is **Allah **, your Lord, His is the kingdom; and **those whom you call upon besides Him do not control a straw **. {13} If you call on them they shall not hear your call, and even if they could hear they shall not answer you;

And then you go on to say: Those people who pray to Muhammad (pbuh), Ali(ra) , Saints or Angels can read quran and find quidance. Although, praying to other dieties /personalities beside Allah is against the fundamental belief of ISlam..

Is it me or are you contradicting your own quoted reference here? It clearly says ALLAH-- NOT ALI, NOT MOHAMMAD, NO SAINTS NOR ANGELS. You are plainly ADDING to teh words of God. His words stopped at ALLAH, period as the ayat clearly states. YOURS continued onwards to Mohammad, Ali, Saints or Angels. HOW did that happen? Im failing to understand.

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AOA,

I understand that u dont find anything wrong with using Hazrat Ali (r.a) as a waseela, but what drives u to think it is the way to go? what makes u think that u cannot direct ask Allah SWT 4 your needs?

Wassalam

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Other article i had written its called
** Why Should I worship Allaah.**
Assalamvalekum Wa rahamtullaahi wa Barkatahu

I always say there is None to be worshipped but Allaah or God.

But why only Allaah or God, and why not the other associated partners of God. Do i deny they are no associated partners with God, no way they are associated partners with God, I agree with it.
But in Truth there is only One God. One Unseen God.

Now why should I worship only Allaah and not Prophet Mohammed:saw2: or Prophet Abraham may peace be upon him.

The fact is how can I worship though I love Prophets more then my Parents. This is because they are not eternal, they are not immortal.
When any of the associated partners of God died no one came back alive Physically and this shows they are not eternal.

What about being Powerful?
The God i worship, is all powerful on its own it doesnt need anyones help. Its content on its own.
Eg. Mr George Bush the most powerful human on earth today, to sit on his President throne was still voted by his People so he is still dependent.

The associated Partners with God, they were creations of God and came down like Human. So for sure they have slept, and sometimes tired.
How can I worship some gods who sleep and what about the time i supplicate and I am expecting something. I would rather pray to True God rather than mediators in between, because the end result is still his decision.
The God I worship created earth and the heaven and was never tired.

The God I worship, has the knowledge of everthing happening between Heaven and the Earth and is Powerful.

When a bird stoops down to drink water from an Ocean some water would have reduced but not the Knowledge of my God who knows by how much it was reduced.
Because in Truth there is only One God.

I call this God by Allaah :subhanahu: because its in pure form. Others might call with different names but the Truth is One God in reality.If anyone has attributes of dependency, mortality, sleep and no eternal life ceases to be God.

I found Islam as a pursuit to get closer to God as this was the most simplest form of worship and no intricacies.

One unseen God, One creator and One to worhip thats one True God.

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Hazrat Ali AS has been mushqil kusha during the time of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H… and he was the one Prophet P.B.U.H. called on as a wasila in Khyber, on night of hijrat and Mubahila.. he served as a wasila in khandaq and was a helper of poor and needy… Please read the following part of my earlier post and you’ll get your answer … He is the person who Prophet P.B.U.H as used as a wasila and who has helped Prophet P.B.U.H on several ocassions… Please correct me if I am wrong but isn’t it true if Prophet P.B.U.H called on Ali as a wasila of Prophet… wouldn’t this act be a sunnah if Prophet P.B.U.H did itl???

I believe when someone says Ya Ali Madad he is using Hazrat Ali A.S. as a waseela of Allah SWT and not interpreting him as God. Personally I don’t see anything wrong with using Hazrat Ali AS as wasila from Allah SWT. Because even at the time of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. Prophet himself has used Hazrat Ali AS as wasila himself… An example would be the battle of Khyber where after days of unSuccess… Prophet P.B.U.H. finally called Hazrat Ali A.S as a wasila from Allah SWT to defeat Khyber… had Prophet P.B.U.H wanted… he could have just prayed to Allah SWT and Allah could have send an army of Ababeel or anything Allah SWT desired to help as in the past…(Please read the 5 verses of chapter 105 on the link below):
http://al-islam.org/quran/

but Prophet P.B.U.H. used Hazrat Ali AS as wasila… similarly on the night of Hijrat he asked Hazrat Ali AS to sleep in his bed … Similarly Hazrat Ali AS was a waseela in the battle of Khandaq where Umar Ibne Abduwad crossed the Khandaq and challenged Prophet … Prophet could have cursed him… but he used Hazrat Ali AS as a waseela from Allah SWT… a good example where Ahleybait were used as a wasila from God can be seen at the event of Mubahalah … where non muslims argued with Prophet P.B.U.H. for days but they were still not convinced and it got to a point that the following verse was revealed

Glorious Quran Chapter 3 Verse 61:
And unto him who disputeth with thee therein after the knowledge hath come unto thee, Say ! ( O’ Our Apostle Muhammad ! ) ( Unto them ) come ye, let us summon our sons, and ( ye summon ) your sons, and ( we summon ) our women and ( ye ) your women, and ( we summon ) ourselves and then let us invoke the curse of God on the liars ! http://al-islam.org/history/history/mubahila.htmlWhen the above verse was revealed of all the companions and family member … Prophet P.B.U.H. chose his Ahleybait A.S. (Bibi Fatima Zehra SA, Hazrat Ali AS, Hazrat Hassan AS and Hazrat Hussain AS) and when they saw the ahleybait they refused to do the mubahila. The fact that Prophet chose them when quran asked to curse on liars…shows the high status they had.

During the time of Prophet P.B.U.H.. Ahleybait were known for helping poor and needy… (Read the commentary or chapter 76 on the link below)

http://al-islam.org/quran/

I believe if someone says Ya Ali Madad he knows he is going to get help on the will of Allah SWT… but there is no way he is interpreting Hazrat Ali AS as Allah SWT (nauzubillah) because the fact that Hazrat Ali AS was matyred in the mosque during Salat shows that he himself bowed to Allah SWT. As muslims we all know that Prophet P.B.U.H. says everything on Allah’s will and it was Prophet P.B.U.H. who made Hazrat Ali AS … Maula for all of us…

"For whoever I am his Leader (mawla), 'Ali is his Leader (mawla)."http://al-islam.org/ghadir/

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I try to be a clear as possible but seem like this was not the case this time here i try again
here is the word of God verse

[quote]

12} He causes the night to enter in upon the day, and He causes the day to enter in upon the night, and He has made subservient (to you) the sun and the moon; each one follows its course to an appointed time; this is Allah, your Lord, His is the kingdom; and those whom you call upon besides Him do not control a straw. {13} If you call on them they shall not hear your call, and even if they could hear they shall not answer you; and on the resurrection day they will deny your associating them (with Allah); and none can inform you like the One Who is Aware. {14}
[/quote]

and here i what i (code red )said..

"Those people who pray to Muhammad (pbuh), Ali(ra) , Saints or Angels can read quran and find quidance. Although, praying to other dieties /personalities beside Allah is against the fundamental belief of ISlam, but some ignorant muslim do that due to ignorance. May Allah guide us. ameen"

I siad that ^ because i have personally encountered people who believe that praying to Saints and angels is the right thing to do and they have powers to hear and answer prayers. These people have firm beliefs in their faith that it is the rightly Islamic belief. Their belive is so strong that you can not convince them otherwise, whatsoever.

Also there is a city Pakpatan, where at the tomb of baba farid gunj shakar there is a door called 'Bahisti Darwaza' (heaven's door) every year thousands of people make miles long lines there to pass through that door they firmly belive that if they pass through that door once in life time they will certainly enter heaven in hereafter.

These people are sunni predominently.

So now my question now to Shia brothers :

Do you see or know any practice among your community or among SOT that
people do and you consider it shirk, unislamic , wrong ?

Remember i am asking about that practice which you consider is wrong islmaically and i am not asking you defend any practice or belief.

In my humble opinion we all sunni and shia should reinstate and reiterate our set of fundamental beliefs directly from quran . Not from any scholar not from any book or website. Otherwise on day of judgement we are questioned about any core belief and we state reference of scholar or book but we are shown holy book which negates our set of beliefs ... We would be at great loss at that time for not giving due attention to the word of God.
Some people find the book lengthy or find it dificult to find answerse theirn... but In my experience once you turn towards that book and insist for giadance then the books talks to you in person, it addresses your concerns in particular.
No need to go to specific passage or sura or ayat ...you just turn page randomly and read whatever comes infront of you with interest... in few days you will feel that the book is actually reading your mind and it will answer the questions very specifically.
all the best. May Allah guide us all

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Ok, thanks for the clarification. I must have missed this first paragrph.

Pakpatan....I really do pray for these people. May they see the truth. We, as ashraful makhlooqat, are given a brain and the power to make choices. It is entirely our fault when we continue to follow our ancestors and their rituals without investigating. You knwo the ayah: Summun bukmun AAumyun .... it fits such believers...May Allah keep us from falling into this category..

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when we talk bout Waseela why is always in the form of so and so being dead or alive....

They have passed on as every soul is to taste death!!!

Would it not be better to think that we make waseela through someone who Allah SWT holds dearest!

my 2p!

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why are we so obsessed with other peoples' faiths? why do feel we have to be the guardians of islam. and every single one of us thinks like that, thinks that he solely knows what islam says and therefore others of a little different bent would most certainly be mushrik.

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If Ali is shaheed, then he is not dead? am I right?
I thought thats what quran says, don't call them dead, because they are not. Its just that you don't know it.

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But Ali is not dead right? (being shaheed)
or he is, but its just we are not supposed to say it?

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......

So OFFENSIVE!!!
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Peace Robert

A martyr in Islam or Shaheed according to our beliefs are not dead. Dead is a continuous state of being which occurs after death and goes on in that state until the Day of Judgement. However, the Shuhadah (Martyrs) have tasted death, but straight after they become alive again in the form of green birds which roam free in Paradise.

They will be asked by God if they need anything and they will answer in the negative that they have everything they already wish. They will say upon insistence that if they wanted anything they would want to be given life in the world only to be martyred again.

When the Day of Judgement arrives then the souls in those green birds will be vacated and placed in to the bodies of the heaven dwellers and those people will pass through the gates of Paraidse without a trial.

As for non-martyrs they are in the graves for questioning and later will be resurrected for their trials on the Day of Judgement.

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Re: Amir Liaquat Hussain.

I am a Sunni, I say Ya Ali Madat. I call upon the Lion of God routinely, I also sing odes to them and glorify them thru repeating the words of those who loved that great Friend of Allah.

I seek help from all the saints, they are in touch with Allah, and can help me out.

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Re: Presence of Shirk among sunni and shia muslims

^How did the good saints help you out can you speak to them and is vice versa possible