Re: Presence of Shirk among sunni and shia muslims [merged]
Because Ali is not in this world living with us..
Thanks for redefining the word "living". Quran says he is living. Now you came up with your own theory, not-with-us. So asking help from someone who is not living with you ... is shirk.
Secondly, the "ya" in "ya Ali madad" is *harf annida, *and a harf annida is only used for a second party person, who is present in front of the speaker. And when a person yells out Ya So and So...it is pretty much given that the person can hear and respond too. And anyone who makes partners in Allah's Names and Attributes has commited shirk fil Asmaa wa Sifaat.
You are thinking too much about the word Ya. So shirk is now attributed to the ability of the addressee to respond, with complete disregard of the caller's intentions (neeyat).
You guys keep changing your theories and definitions to reach your own conclusions
I stick to 2 points
1. Asking help from a living person is harmless, and we all do it in our day to day life
2. Ali is alive, he lives and eats just like us (like any shaheed). Its just that we can't see it.
Obviously everybody believes in point 1. If you do not believe in point 2, or doubt what Quran says or add your own spins to it, I say great. Its better to think and disagree, than not to think and agree.