Re: Presence of Shirk among sunni and shia muslims
people seems be revolving around question like 'whether using computer/ is a bidat or not '? which suggest a dreath of common shared understanding of subject matter. I have shared my understanding of the basics of this topic which are relevent so i quote them instead of getting redundant by saying same thing again in different words.
I have separated the post and made a new topic to discuss a very important topic, which requires meaningfull investigation and discussion. We should all share our insight and try to understand if their is some issue and practices need our attention and revision.
In my observation and opinion, Shirk (association of dieties,personalities with Allah in his absolute attributes) is widely present among sunni and shia muslims. Just because i am myself a sunni, that does not mean that i can turn a blind eye on these beliefs and practices and endorse them becasue i share the same basic ideology and set of fundamental beliefs.
I will disscuss these belief, ideas wrong practices later but first another error which needs our attention.
X-communist said in other threadAli is dead just like Mohammad adn neither can be called upon for help in this world. .
Just before going to discussion of seeking help, We all need to understand the concept of death in islam.
The english word dead is not suitable and it does not describe the phenomina of death of a person as per islamic point of view. The most aptly descriptive word for death is an urdu word “in-te-qaal” When someone dies we say 'Falaan sahab ka Inteqaal ho ga gaya hai" inteqaal means transfer
And it describes the phenomena of death in islam perfectly. Islamically, A person is a combination of body and soul. Death is for body, soul just transfer from this body to another world, and then it lives in this world (Barzakh) for unknown time period and then on the day of judgment itwill be joined with the same body as told in quran.
So calling a person dead, does not describes the state of person completely.
Better we should say
the person is no more with us.
Code_Red:
Here is my take on the topic.
I Would like to share my understanding of concept of prayer.
Prayer is often reffered as a plea to a diety for help, intervention, blessing and spritual uplift.
The term pray or Prayer is also used in case of plea to highest authority for intervention and seeking help or resolving a dispute.
for example:
ref1. ref2
Islamically prayers are reserved for One God Allah Almighty. But at the same time second type of ‘prayer’ is not wrong either . Because technically is not a call for a devine intervention but merely a call for help from worldy authority or governing body.
Now this is important
When a call for help is directed towards a diety , or personality not present in physical form among us, then it become prayer… on the other hand when a prayer is directed at a governing body, an authority in this world then it become plea ( a call for help or intervention)
In Islam 1st type of prayer is considered prayer in escense. and It can only be Directed to Allah Almighty no one else, the second type of prayer is not a prayer at all, it is just a plea for wordly/ material help
If anyone is interested to refute or argue my understanding on this topic, i would gladly respond.