Assalam Alaikum brothers and sisters,
First of all, I am NOT A GUPPIE, I do visit gup shup regularly =). I read this thread yesterday, and I just HAD to reply! I know Praex, that is why I asked him whether I could use his ID.
Salman bhai, First of all, if one has to deal with these kinds of dilemmas, then it is quite clearly written in the Quran what to do:
Read in Surah 2, verses 190 – 193 of the Qur’an:
*{Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight you, but do not go beyond the limits. Allah does not love those who practice aggression.
Buraydah narrated that Muhammad (pbuh) said:
“Fight for the sake of Allah and fight those who disbelieve in Allah. Fight, but do not steal [from the captured goods], and do not commit treachery, nor mutilate [the dead], or kill a child, or those who reside in [Jewish and Christian] houses of worship.” (Narrated in the compiled hadiths of the prophet by Imam Muslim.)
Allah, encourages his believing servants to defend their religion, speak up for your Religion when you feel it is being offended!
Secondly, I must say that totally agree on what you said about banning guppies who make disrespecting comments on any sort of religion. If untill now the mods have been failing to do so, then some things indeed desperately need to be changed.
Thirdly, what I do not understand is why u start arguing when someone’s simply trying to answer your question. It indeed does seem as if you feel offended each time someone simply just replies to your post, at least it did seem so in this thread (don’t know about the other ones). Several people have tried to have a discussion with you, but all you did was diss them. And they did not even bother to reply you, how strange is that?! Then I must pay my compliments to Nescio who has held up such a long ‘discussion’ with a person who in my opinion keeps himself totally closed for any kind of discussion.
Salman you said “If it makes you feel any better, You are right I am wrong. Ap Jeetaye Hum Haraye “ well all I want to say is--This is a DISCUSSION FORUM AND NOT AN ARGUING FORUM! There is no jitney ya haarney waali baat, it is not like there is a competition going on over here. We are all here to share our knowledge with eachother. If that is not what you wanted or if you can't handle it then you shouldn’t have opened this thread in the first place. Aur agar kisi ne koi baat keh bhi di, then there is no reason to reply so childish like you have been doing practically throughout the entire thread. We are all grown ups, and we should not let our anger take control over ourselves. We should think with a clear mind, before we start making all sorts of offensive/ insulting/ degrading comments.
Awaara Baadal bhai, in my opinion your contribution to this thread was good until I read your last few replies. I found your language and sarcastic attitude in your posts very disappointing. What Nescio said makes perfectly sense to some people and to some people it doesn’t, but that does not give you the right to judge him and to call his comments ‘behas’. If it did sound ‘behas’ to you, then we would appreciate it if you would keep this to yourself and reply to it in a normal polite manner, if this is not possible for you to do, then don’t reply at all. And I think Salman bhai is wise enough to decide whether to ignore someone and move on, or not. Also I don’t believe it is your duty to measure ke apni life mein koun kya seekhta hai, ya ab tak seekha hai or whether ke who banda banna hai ya nahin or anything like that! Like I said, we are here to share our knowledge and experiences, which on you want to pick out and put to practice differs from person to person, we should learn to respect those and to discuss and do Dawah in A POLITE MANNER instead of insulting and finger-pointing at each other.
Rahee baat Hadith ki, well,(ps: Salman bhai, to place that puking kind of smiley over there was very harsh I must say!) there have been several reports from different sources that NOT EVERYTHING written in the Hadith is true, because the people who passed on these sayings by word of mouth before they were compiled so there were made mistakes in some cases. There are also some reported sayings written down in books of Hadith which the Holy Prophet may not have ever said at all. However, the largest amount of the reports, indeed are true. The teachings which the Holy Prophet illustrated by his example, such as how to perform the prayers, were copied by such a large number of people that there cannot be any doubt at all about their genuineness. Similarly, many of his Sayings were memorized and passed down by a number of Companions in each case, not by just one person, and became well¬ known among the Muslims from the beginning.
As we all know, Hadith is meant to be a further explanation of the teachings written in The Holy Quran, therefore every Muslim must follow and believe in the Hadith. As for the reports that seem to be contradicting with what is written in The Holy Quran, these must be studied and examined carefully and if there is no possible way they can be put in a context which does not contradict the Holy Quran, then it must be rejected.
I hope I did not offend anyone over here and I also hope to follow discussions in the future ‘spoken’ in a friendlier and more serious manner than I’ve seen so far on this thread by certain guppies
May Allah guide us all, and keep us on the right path. Ameen.
Allah Hafiz,
Your sister,
ps: Thanx Praex bhai for lending me your ID! -x-
