Roman, he’s telling everyone that although we are all muslim we have to watch out for the Qadiani filth and indoo buggers. Ashwariya in a tight dress is ok though :k:
This thread is going back to the ‘insulting others’ theme. Why is it that every single thread must be about fighting? Salman, I think that some members here are getting the idea that you’re talking about ‘gupshup’. It’s a big world. I hope I’m not wrong, but do you mean to be asking what we would do in our lives when such a situation arises, where we must deal in the work force by Islamic law?
As far as Im concerned it doesnt matter what part of life you're dealing with , if you're a Muslim, well then try to do the Islamic thing.ISlam doesnt just mean you pray and then later go out for a drink to some bar.Islam , is a way of life.
I dont know if its always possible to do the Islamic thing.For example when I teach, there are some things I might be teaching that dont agree with Islam at all.But I cant just give up teaching because of this.And if somebody does something wrong in my classroom, I cant always deal with it by Islamic law right? However, there are always ways.Some people think they're doing the right thing.But you know, whats right or wrong differs from person to person.
(As far as gs is concerned ,its not an Islamic forum.So dont see how that comes into the discussion.)
Yes, but you wouldn’t teach the children that Prophet :saw: was NOT the last prophet or teach the kids to use :saw: with any other personality but prophet saw ? Would you ? You would rather protest against your superiors for giving you such material. You might not quit (depends on your iman ) but I am sure you will at least raise a voice.
Right on ! You are absoloutley rite about it. But if you see something terribly wrong in your nieghborhood or work place i.e someone tarnishing the image of your core values of religion, do you just ignore it ? or raise a LITTLE voice or at least do a very small effort to stand against it ? After all thats what your religion teachs you.
**Mr Xtreme ** Thanx for putting words into my mouth. Thanx but no thanx. I rather speak for my self.
You are absolutely right at calling Qadiani’s a filth because at least Ashwariya doesn’t use saw with her stones at least she has her own religion and she is not stepping or slicing another religion to create their own version of religion. She is not disrespecting anybody but her own self by wearing those short dresses.
I mean no disrespect to you Xtreme but I find it very funny for those people who take it to extreme and say ** Oh, so should we kill them ** My answer to them is, At least fregging point out the problem at least raise a voice.
Do you really think its too much to ask a Muslim to raise a voice against those who play with our core religious values? Do you think its too much to stop someone talking $hit about your rasool ? And try your best effort to ban them because they are do it purposely again and again?
Roman In simple words Yes I am saying that I am a Muslim and its my duty to raise a voice against those who tarnish the image of Quran and Rasool saw and I am urging other Muslims if they think my ideology is fine then lets do it i.e. at least raise a voice…
Nescio
Whenever from your posts, I will get the image that you have no intentions of tanz whatsoever, and are inquiring just for the sake of knowledge, I will try my best to reply you politely. But since everyone knows my love for my rasool :saw: ( not saying I have it more than anybody else ) but you being the very definition of Munkarin-e-Hadiath Doesn’t make it pretty for me. If I cant stand a person who uses :saw: with another human being but Prophet :saw:, How can I ever stand a person like you who denies all the sayings of my prophet :saw: ? And yes if you can see, its a personal thing.
And your point is ?
re-read Zman post. It will answer your above mentioned question/querey/comment.
Because those specific guppies are OBVIOUS in their anti-islamic behavior. If you are going to tell me that you missed this post of Madhanee after having 8 pages and 200+ posts in feedback forum then, trust me it aint your fault.
OK if something like this was uttered the first time, I would have surely Ignored it; BUT NO! he has done it repeatedly. And yet there he is wandering free waiting for another remark to be passed.
This is just one example, Roman purposely used :saw: with another man and nothing happened to him he is still here…
Matsui, I do not have to tell you about him. Just open any post of his and you will find him playing with the respects of our very pillars of Islam and yet you are acting like a child like you do not know anything. Its a shame…
If me asking the admins every day that please take a strict action against (above mentioned people) because they do it on regular basis, creates a problem for you, then I am sorry but I wont stop until there is something done about it rather giving warning points.
If only ONE person was ban for this purpose I tell you, no other person would have dared to disrespect anybody’s religion because they would have known that Gupshup has zero tolerance against those who play with the core values of any religion
But Afsos, our zameer are so dead that we as of yet are unable to take any action.
-Salman
there are a few contradictions in your post, let me mention two first and we can carry on with the others later:
you call me the 'very definition of Munkarin-e-Hadith'. I ask you, how can you see in my heart and conclude that I'm that, or my intention is that? Did you get a wahee? Or is it just your conclusion based on reading my posts? If it is the latter then clearly -per one of ur previous posts- it is wrong.
Secondly, you bring forward the issue of raising your voice against ppl like Madhanee for their actions and you won't stop till the authorities take some action. Yet, you also accuse this site (and thus the authorities) of being non-muslim.......I ask you: How and why do you expect in your eyes non-muslims taking action against madhanee then??? quite paradoxical...
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there are a few contradictions in your post, let me mention two first and we can carry on with the others later:
you call me the 'very definition of Munkarin-e-Hadith'. I ask you, how can you see in my heart and conclude that I'm that, or my intention is that? Did you get a wahee? Or is it just your conclusion based on reading my posts? If it is the latter then clearly -per one of ur previous posts- it is wrong.
Secondly, you bring forward the issue of raising your voice against ppl like Madhanee for their actions and you won't stop till the authorities take some action. Yet, you also accuse this site (and thus the authorities) of being non-muslim.......I ask you: How and why do you expect in your eyes non-muslims taking action against madhanee then??? quite paradoxical...
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I will apologise rite now if you admit that you believe in ANY reputable hadiath. Mate, your posts in religion forum are filled of you denying all the hadiath. If you can show me ONE post of yours in which you believe in the hadiath, I will humbly ask for your forgivness and apology.
We will take the discussion further once you comply with my above request.
Thank you.
-Salman
Ps: The best part I love about your posts is that you simply Ignore any and everything that you do not have the answer for but yet you ask counter questions to hide your ability not to answer them. If you expect from me to go on with discussion with you here, first answer or comment on what I have said about you in my post then you can expect from me to answer your further questions. Thank you.
ur talking about Madhanee’s comments of marrying off to Quran? well, my stance is that I don’t think it’s offensive. As some other ppl have pointed out, the tradition of marrying off is more offensive in my eyes than Madhanee’s mocking of that tradition.
As for the Hadith: why do I have to prove to you what I believe in and what not. Do I have any responsibility towards you? I thought my religion was a matter between me and Allah…and now you suddenly show up 
Irrespective of what I believe and what not, you’re not allowed -both ethically and religiously- to call me anything, whatever might be implied by my posts.
Salam fazool main time zaaya kar rahay ho is kay sath, iss ka to kaam hi sirf behas baray behas karna hay, choti choti baton ko nikaal kar, sekhna is nay sari umar kuch nahi, so just ignore him and move on.
Briaather, You do not have to prove anything to me Nor I ever said you should prove it to me. In urdu we say
Chorr Ki Darree Mein Tinka
You just said this in your previous post
I am merely asnwering your querey. Its you who doesnt believe in any of the hadiath, I asume you are a “Munakarin-e-hadiath”. All I am asking you is prove me wrong and I will sincierly apologise.
I am sorry if I am replying to your question towards my understanding of you calling a Munakarin-e-Hadiath". But you asked for it and sorry if my answer finds you in trouble.
Anyhow, You have never given a straight answer as Awara Badal Says, you really do love to do ‘Behass’ and thats all you know. I will quit arguing with you.
If it makes you feel any better, You are right I am wrong. Ap Jeetaye Hum Haraye. But I still do believe you are a Munkarin-e-Hadiath. 
-Salman
Arent these your words ? Bhool gaye ?
*Originally posted by NeSCio: *
** As I already mentioned in that other thread, I see Hadith as nothing more than History writing, just like in any other book. And I’m not willing to accept anything else unless someone can give me sufficient answers to the following 2 questions:
- If Hadith were to have such an important role in our lives (as a role-model), why didn’t the Holy Prophet during His life say to His companions to write down everything what He does? Why did it take more than 200 years before Bukhari, Muslim etc came up with the idea to assemble everything. If Hadith were so important why didn’t the Holy Prophet say to His Companions: “listen, everything what I do is so important. you must write down everything I do, so that later generations can profit from this” He say this! WHY???
According to me the reasons for this is that the Qur’an in itself is complete and it doesn’t need any additional explanation! **
^^^ Umm I wonder how you pray ? Did Quran tell you how to pray …?
*Originally posted by NeSCio: *
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I’m not willing to accept that the Hadith is anything more that merely HISTORY WRITING, just like any other history book I read on school! After all it has been compiled the same way history books are compiled: by asking people what they know and what they heard, by visitng certain places to find out what happened, by examining certain events etc. **
:yukh:
-Salman
Salman, its all about neeyat, and u know that ur intentions are good... so be happy. And i agree, as a pakistani board, and as most of the pakistanis and the members here are muslims, anything against the prophet SAW or quran or Islam should be dealt with seriously.
its just baighairati as a muslim not to point out if Islam is being mocked and let people know that such mockery isnt welcomed.
The accused parties should atleast be considerate and be careful while making comments which could hurt the majority of people's feelings.
Kaka why should it be any different when it comes to hurting the minority feelings?
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Salman, its all about neeyat, and u know that ur intentions are good... so be happy. And i agree, as a pakistani board, and as most of the pakistanis and the members here are muslims, anything against the prophet SAW or quran or Islam should be dealt with seriously.
its just baighairati as a muslim not to point out if Islam is being mocked and let people know that such mockery isnt welcomed.
The accused parties should atleast be considerate and be careful while making comments which could hurt the majority of people's feelings.
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Kaka thanx for putting it so simply. :)
Thats all I am been saying all this time... Why it is so hard for people to raise a voice against those who mock religion or disrespect Rasool/Quran ? Rather raising a voice they are here to defend them. Afsos. As you said its plain simple Bhaigairtee.
-Salman
Xteme, where do you see ONE specific person mocking minorities religion? Show me ONE example of ANY person here on gupshup ( A Muslim) who mocks a minorities religion purposely?
And thank you very much for your kind reply above. i.e. speaking on my behalf ; But I guess you had no say in regards to my comment or just completely ignored it…
-Salman
Are you for real?
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Are you for real?
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Yes I am for real .... :p
Salman do you seriously think I can't provide even one example after that thread in Feedback?
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If Hadith were so important why didn't the Holy Prophet say to His Companions: "listen, everything what I do is so important. you must write down everything I do, so that later generations can profit from this" He say this! WHY?????
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Duh!? He didn't have to, the Qur'an already told them that "everything [he did] is so important"...
But given that you want it from the Prophet's (saw) own blessed lips...
The Prophet (saw) stressed the importance of his hadith when he said: "May Allah make joyful a person who heard my saying and preserved it, then transmitted it from me ... " (Sunan Ibn Majah)
Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As relates: I used to write everything that I heard from the Apostle of Allah (saw). I intended (by it) to memorise it. The Quraysh prohibited me saying: Do you write everything that you hear from him while the Apostle of Allah (saw) is a human being: he speaks in anger and pleasure? So I stopped writing, and mentioned it to the Apostle of Allah (saw). He signalled with his finger to his mouth and said: "Write, by Him in Whose hand is my soul, only the truth comes out from it." (Sunan Abu Dawud)
Confirmed by Abu Huraira who said: There is none among the companions of the Prophet who has narrated more hadiths than I except Abdullah ibn Amr (ibn al-'As ) who used to write them and I never did the same. (Sahih al Bukhari)
Although Abu Huraira may not have written hadith himself, he did dictate them as evidenced by 138 hadith he dictated in a single sitting available today as Sahifah Hammam ibn Munabbih, the earliest extant hadith collection compiled some 140 years before Bukhari was born.
On one occasion the Prophet (saw) delivered a speech and one companion, named Abu Shah, stood up and asked: "O Allah's Apostle! Have it written for me." Allah's Apostle (saw) said: "Write it for Abu Shah." (Sahih al Bukhari)
So...
... as James Robson writes: "It may safely be assumed that from the very beginning Muslims were interested in what the Prophet said and did, and that after his death, when Islam spread widely, new converts would be anxious to hear about him. Those who associated with him would be listened to eagerly as they told about him. While this was largely conveyed by word of mouth, there is reason to believe that some men made small collections for their own use. These can hardly be called books, but nevertheless the material they contained was incorporated in later works." (in his translation of Mishkat al-Masabih)
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I will apologise rite now if you admit that you believe in ANY reputable hadiath.
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ok, I've done my best, and -paradoxically perhaps to you- this is a Hadith I'm inclined towards believing:
It's from the books of Abu-Dawud:
*Book 25, Number 3640:
Narrated Zayd ibn Thabit:
Al-Muttalib ibn Abdullah ibn Hantab said: Zayd ibn Thabit entered upon Mu'awiyah and asked him about a tradition. He ordered a man to write it. Zayd said: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) ordered us not to write any of his traditions. So he erased it.
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so you now do your part ;-)
^^
Invalid as evidence due to Kathir ibn Zayd and al Muttalib ibn Abdullah ibn Hantab in its isnad... if you are going to pick and choose hadith to suit your own desires and preconceptions at least have the decency to submit those hadith to the rules of hadith collection and transmission...
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... if you are going to pick and choose hadith to suit your own desires and preconceptions at least have the decency to submit those hadith to the rules of hadith collection and transmission...
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At least now he start reading Hadees book and found one which suits on him, regardless the back ground and history of this sayings. Let us hope one day shayad yeh bhi banda ban jai.