just wondering, how many pakistanis living abroad dont think its wrong??
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Do you mean pre-merital (before it is merited) or pre-marital (before marriage)???? There is some difference, and it may be a good idea to be clear before you start a discussion like this.
I meant 'pre-marital'
sorry for the confusion.(just a typo)
The simple answer is that if some one is not a Muslim than he/she can do what ever they like. But if they call themselves as Muslims, then they should ask that question to their parents whether they were born after pre-marital sex or post-marital sex. If they are born after pre-marital-sex then they are "Bastards". In Islam there is no place for "Bastards".
Last but not the least, in Islam, there is no concept of pre-marital sex. Persons, who involve in such activity, are to be given 100 stripes (Unmarried) or stoned to death for committing adultry(Married). On the day of Judgment, the punishment will be doubled.
Sincerely,
Farid
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Assalam alaikum
Mr Farid,
In Islam if a child is born from parents who are not married then the crime is committed by the parents not the child. The child is born innocent and free from sin.
trooper,
Pre-marital sex in the eyes of a muslim is a crime and the one who commits this crime will be punished heavily.
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I think I heard somewhere that in Islam it is Ok to have sex with concubines. We all know that keeping of concubines is allowed in Islam. The Quran also says that men can not force their female slaves in to having sex with them. But does this mean that if both the female slave are consenting adults they can have sex out side marriage?
I do know that in early Islamic history men used to have sex with their female slaves and if children were born of the slave then the slave was given some extra rights. Is this Islamic Law? I would really like to know.
Stud
Mr. Stud,(Why you guys are afraid of using your original names?)
Yes, mostly it is correct what you said. But this was the practice of past depended upon the prevailing conditions. This practice is redundant and not applicable at present time. The slave condition is now out of date, in the true spirit of Islam. But there are other conditions in which a woman’s or man’s freedom is restricted. Moreover this can not be compared with pre-marital sex which definitely comes under adultery or fornication for which a severe punishment is prescribed in Islam.
Sincerely,
Farid
having sex with your slave or whatever is forbidden it is not dirctly said but it I PROMISE you that in the Quran it says that illeael sexual intercourse is ultimatle forbidden and punished bu 100stripes upon the back also, and illeagel intercourse is any, slave or noble, sex outside the marriage or b-4 it. One of the worst sights in the eyes of Allah is a drop of semen in a woman that is unlawful. I agian don't know the exact ayya or anything but know it is there. A slave is still a person and if you consider it that much of a posession then why not just sleep with a chair or cat or dog? And islam has always forbidden it. As for the sahabbi of the prophet (all the muslims who knew the prophet) would not have done that, first of all one of them alone is so much better religiously then any of us could ever be. It is said that if you put all of mankind's good deeds on one sdie of a scale and Abu bakr (R) on the other he would outwiegh us. Are any fo us promised to heaven to our knowledge? No but many of them are. As for why we don't use are real names, me partly b/c of protection and i just don't want anyone to know my real name, that i don't know personally
In reference to 714
Sura IV "Nisa or Women" Verse 24. (Revealed in Madina Chronological order 92)
Verse 24: Also prohibited are women already married, except those whom your right hand possess, thus Allah had ordained against you except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek them in marriage….
"Whom your right hand possess i. e. captives in Jihad or war under the orders of righteous Imam against those who persecute faith. In such cases formal hostility dissolves civilities".
Refer Sura XXIII, "Mu-minun, The Believers" revealed in Madina Chronological order 74 , Verses 1 to 6 of Holy Quraan.
Verse 1: The believers must eventually win through,
Verse2: Those who humble themselves in their prayers,
Verse3:Who avoid vain talk,
Verse4: Who are active in deeds of charity,
Verse5: Who abstain from sex,
Verse6: Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or the captives whom their right hands possess, for in their case they are free from blame.
Also refer to Sura XXIV " Nur or Light" Revealed in Madina, Chronological order 102 Verses 32 and 33
This verse is perhaps is the final word on the subject matter and gives almost the same idea what you have mentioned in your posting
Verse 32: Marry those among you who are single, or virtuous ones among slave, male or female: If they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace, for Allah encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things.
Verse33: Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means, out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing to enable them to earn, their freedom for a certain sum, give them such a deed. If ye know any good in them, yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you. But force not your minds to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah Oft-Forgiving, most merciful to them.(Them here means, the poor, unfortunate girls, who are victims of such a nefarious trade, will yet find mercy from God, Whose bounties extend to the lowest of His creatures.)
As I already pointed out in my earlier posting that these verses were revealed on certain occasions under certain conditions prevailing at that time. Slavery is banned now. Justifying adultery or fornication, quoting these references shows lack of knowledge and lack of upbringing as a true Muslim. Let me quote the actual verse for adultery or fornication which I have already quoted in Religious Forum.
Verse 2 of Sura XXIV "Nur or Light"
Verse 2: The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let party of believers witness their punishment"
May Allah show us straight path and guide us to live like a true Muslim (Amen)
Sincerely,
Farid
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PRE-MARTIAL SEX!!! EVEN IF YOU WERN'T A MUSLIM I'D STILL THINK YOU'D BE CRAZY!!!! People who do this who are muslim (which I bet no one does) ARE AS STUPID AS IRON MAN AND BREAST AUGMENTOR!!! Oh yeah maybe those guys have it? WE'LL FINALLY HAVING SEX WITH YOUR SLAVE... what type of question is this. I DON'T EVEN WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS TOPIC ANYMORE!
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Refer Sura XXIII, "Mu-minun, The Believers" revealed in Madina Chronological order 74 , Verses 1 to 6 of Holy Quraan.
Verse 1: The believers must eventually win through,
Verse2: Those who humble themselves in their prayers,
Verse3:Who avoid vain talk,
Verse4: Who are active in deeds of charity,
Verse5: Who abstain from sex,
Verse6: Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or the captives whom their right hands possess, for in their case they are free from blame.
Verse #6 shows that it is Ok to have sex with a captive. So marriage is not the only situation in which sex is allowed. I just wanted to confirm what is already written.
I dont want to give my opinion just wanted to know wether Islam allows such a practise.
Apparently it does. Thankyou
Stud
Stud! you are more than a nut than stud
Only shaitan can imply that meaning what you have said. There are number of so called muslims worst than Iblis, who commit fornication, adultery, drink alcohal like hell and then they justify their evil actions by distorting the meaning of Holy Quraan. Mr. Nut you better read again what Farid has said and ask forgiveness from Allah if you are involved in such activities and stop your shaitan activities. One thing more, do not misguide other muslims. According to another verse of Quraan, your punishment will be doubled because of misguiding people.
Zarif
The only problem is the translation/explanation of Quranic Verses. This thing changes the whole concept. Let me have a look and I'll explain the true sense of this verse.
Zarif very well said, but iss shaytan ke kanno mein kuch nahi jata.
Najim,
There is nothing wrong with the translation.
The translation and explanation were taken from Abdullah Yusuf Ali's "Text, Translation and Commentary of The Holy Quraan". This is the most authentic and unbiased translation in English of Holy Quraan.
These verses are straight forward and easy to understand, there is no need of making any sense out of them and I prefer to leave them as they are.
Some nut or stud thinks in a different manner does not change a bit the spirit and meaning of these verses. If some one want to live Shaitan's life who are we to stop him. He is answerable to his deeds.
Sincerely,
Farid
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Thank you Farid, and i will ask our imam about what stud said, adn chang who aer you to call us idiots?
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I think the topic was about pre-marital sex among Pakistanies,not Muslims.Its interesting how these two concepts are hard for us to seperate.I dont know details of Islamic teachings regarding this,but grew up thinking that it is not allowed in Islam. Now if we are talking about Pakistanies rather than Muslims,we have to consider social impacts of such practice,both positive and negative.It actually would be a very good topic to think about,from that perspective.
Shirin bahan,how about sharing which of the 4 subcategories ,do u identify with.And than give us your take on the subject.