Yes, I say Mosque - just to piss some people off here
But that’s not the intent of this thread. Today at jummah, for the first time at this masjid, someone approached me and tried to tell me how to pray. First time.
This lady comes up to me and says, “You cannot sit down in the mosque when you enter - you must first offer 2 rakat sunnat in “salut” to the mosque”.
Some old arab/persian lady.
Either she meant “salute” or salud, which means health in arabic I think. I can’t figure this out. At first I thought she was telling me to salute the mosque…at which point I sorta snapped at her with a fake smile and said “No, I wasn’t taught to do that. I was taught that you shouldn’t read any prayer while the khutba is going on - rather, you should listen to the khutba. But thanks”
She goes on to insist that its is sunnah and that I HAVE TO do it.
I HATE THIS.
When something is sunnah, you can’t force someone to do it. You can’t tell them that they can’t sit in the mosque for juma namaz until they’ve done it either. You can’t keep insisting when the person you’re talking to is clearly not interested.
It was when I came home and asked my mum, she said that yes, some people will go and do 2 rakats the minute they enter before doing anything else. I always though that these people are reading 4 rakat sunnat before standing up to prayer with jamaat.
Uhm…I never really piad much attention to my parents or molvi saab teacher when I was younger and taught me to read namaz. They tried hard but just quit and figured I’d learn when I was older. I stil read namaz but when I got more into it last year and had to re-teach myself, i was like !! i’ve been getting it wrong all these yrs!! SO when someone tells me that you have to do this or that, I don’t take offense to it as I don’t know any better than someone else. Like one time I was reading namaz and after I was done, this girl said when i’m on my knees, I should sit instead of kneeling becoz when you go into sajdah, ur body is lower to the jaan-namaaz (prayer rug) and some other advice that i don’t exactly remember. But.. yeah.
It’s called Tahiyyat ul-Masjid, we have to pray it on entering the Masjid but not many people do… Once the Prophet :saw: was giving a sermon when a man joined the congregation and sat down, the Prophet :saw: told him to get up and pray two rak’aah Salaat first.
You ABCD’s really annoy me, so much pride, if someone is telling you to do something good you should do it, she was only advising you, not forcing you… I hate people like you have no respect for elders, so much ghuroor and takabbur, astaghferollah. How insecure can you get seriously??? When somebody try’s teaching you, you are so stubborn, I don’t like people telling me what to do neither but when it’s about Deen I kill my pride, Prophet :saw: said a person who has even an atoms weight of pride in his heart will not enter Paradise.
Yes you are supposed to pray the 2 raka'ah on entering the mosque, but not during the sermon. You're not even supposed to talk during the sermon, let alone pray. It's just ignorance on some people's part.
I am gonna take PCG side on this one. I think her point of view is that when khutba is going on, at that time praying isn’t the best time.
I never knew I should pray 2 raka’ before sitting down. If someone tells me DURING KHUTBA I would have done what PCG did.
The old lady had a point of view, she conveyed the message to PCG. Its upto PCG to do whatever, she will be judged on that (she may have legit reasons or train of thought/reasoning). Just because someone elder told somefin, doesn’t mean you should just follow it. What if my dad was hindu and says “Hindu is the only religion?”. God gave you a brain and use it and this you will be judged on.
the lady probably had in mind the following hadith...
Jabir ibn Abdullah (r) reports: A man entered on the day of jumuah whilst the Prophet (saw) was delivering the khutba. The Prophet (saw) asked him: "Have you prayed?" The man said: "No" The Prophet (saw) said: "Then pray two rak'ahs"
Bukhari records this in his Sahih (2:53) under the chapter heading: "Whoever arrives and the Imam is delivering the khutba should pray two light rak'ahs (rak'atayn khafifatayn)"
And in Sahih Muslim (2:1903) the Prophet (saw) is recorded as having also said on the same topic:
"When any of you comes on the day of jumuah and the Imam is delivering the khutba, pray two rak’ahs and make them short."
aww poor u .. one of my cousins was prayin some-wat regulerly since 6-7 but at the age of 17-18 he actualy realised he had been prayin wrong way lol ..
PCG: dude she just adviced u to pray .. once this freak made me swear on my mom to pray .. she was like ** TUMHIEN TUMHARI AMMI KI KESEM FAJAR KI NAMAZ PERHNA ** .. thats a sept issue that i still didnt pray …
Um, Faisal, that was kinda immature. Its not about who is right or wrong. I had my reasons - I don’t pray when the sermon is going on because you can’t concentrate on your prayers and listen to the sermon at the same time. I never knew of this hadith, and like I said, it makes no sense to me, since I’ve always been told when the khutba is going on don’t pray just listen to it…makes sense because its the time of the week to learn from the khutba. If anything, I’d rather do these 2 rakats before the jamat gets up or when the imam is doing the khutba in arabic, which I don’t understand as it is.
I have no problem in doing these 2 rakats, but what I took her comments to mean was that I should “salute” the masjid - i.e. pray to the masjid as if the masjid is the object of prayer. I dismissed her comments as being some custom from some random arab country veiled as “sunnah”.
Then later my sister told me she might be saying “salud” which is the health of the masjid. That’s something different. My mistake.
My point of this thread was not to figure out who is wrong or who is right - I already found out before posting this thread that the 2 rakats ARE sunnah and what they are for.
I just wanted to vent, because the woman was trying to start up an argument with me about how mandatory sunnah is when I was trying to listen to the khutba. What these people do not understand is 1. sunnah is not mandatory and 2. have some darn etiquette about it - she could have told me after the namaz or something like that. She probably wasn’t listening to the khutba at the time herself, since the english translation was going on. I noticed when the Imam started up in Arabic she shut up and listened in her corner. For the time he was talking in English she was walking around chatting with everyone, and correcting their mistakes. I think that’s kinda rude, especially if you’re living in the States, and common sense tells you that most people at Juma prayers are not arabic (at our masjid).
Some of you people need to take a chill pill and relax.
Be mellow, my fellow. (yes, that’s a dance in the religion forum)
Then why are there people that say you should not do anything but listen to the khutbah when the khutbah is going on? I was told not to do 4 rakaat sunat (which I normally do before 4 rakat farz - dunno if others do this) during the khutba. Because I should be listening to it, and not praying at the time…because then I wont be able to learn anything.
It would be funny if there was a hadith that supported this. Then we’d have two contradicotry hadith…which doesn’t suprise me.
The 4 rakaa' sunnah that you are referring to is part of dhu'hr salah, and different from Tahiyyat ul-Masjid. I consider Tahiyyat ul-Masjid more as nawaffil.
**XXXIV: Remaining silent and paying attention on the day of Jumu'a when the Imam is speaking
Even a person saying to his companion, "Be quiet!" constitutes foolish chatter. Salman reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Be silent and pay attention when the Imam is speaking."
It is related from Abu Hurayra that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Even saying, 'Be quiet!' to your companion while the Imam is giving the khutba on the Day of Jumu'a constitutes foolish chatter."**
The old lady should keep her mouth shut. I think I will print this out and hand it to her next time she disrupts me from listening to what the Imam is saying.
AQ: Aap kabhi kabhi apna khud ka dimaagh use karlein. I said "which I normally do before 4 rakat farz..."
Not "which I normally do before 4 rakat farz on jumma prayer"
I'm speaking in a general sense. Zuhar as being 4 rakat sunnah, then 4 rakat farz, then 2 rakat sunnah and 2 rakat nafal. I'm not aware if every muslim does it this way, that's all.
!! i’ve been getting it wrong all these yrs!! 
SO when someone tells me that you have to do this or that, I don’t take offense to it as I don’t know any better than someone else. Like one time I was reading namaz and after I was done, this girl said when i’m on my knees, I should sit instead of kneeling becoz when you go into sajdah, ur body is lower to the jaan-namaaz (prayer rug) and some other advice that i don’t exactly remember. But.. yeah.
lol ..
.. thats a sept issue that i still didnt pray …
(yes, that’s a dance in the religion forum)
It would be funny if there was a hadith that supported this. Then we’d have two contradicotry hadith…which doesn’t suprise me.
