I was just wondering if one of our Muslim brothers did get assigned to the space station oribiting the earth, what rules would he need to know for offering Namaz. Does anyone know a link where some scholars might have considered this issue or similar issues.
The texts mainstream Islam follows have all the solutions for problems confronted by 9th Century Arab/Persia. A space station is a little too much to ask.
Sooner or later some spoilt Saudi prince will prolly be the first one there.. and I don't think Allah in in need of exhibition prayers.
This Space For Rent
Simmer down PA, a very valid question, toward earth I suppose. When colonising planets I suppose prayer will be offered in earths direction.
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**The texts mainstream Islam follows have all the solutions for problems confronted by 9th Century Arab/Persia. A space station is a little too much to ask.
Sooner or later some spoilt Saudi prince will prolly be the first one there.. and I don't think Allah in in need of exhibition prayers.
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Hey, I thought the maintexts of 7th century were guides for all time. I am serious. Why can't there be a Muslim Astronaut? I assume that there will be one within a few years after the space station is completed. I am not trying to be offensive. I am interested in other topics where advances in science impact us as Muslims.
well, didn't a saudia prince already go into outer space? i remember seeing a pic of one when i was a kid.
as for the question, i've heard that the kaaba is on the Arsh (heavens) and Farsh (here) so the best advice given on ground was if u don't know where the kaaba is then pray where ur heart directs you to pray and the rest is left upto Allah.
Jitna Diya Sarkar Nay Mujko, Itni Meri Auqat Nahi, Yeh Saab Tumhara Karam Hai Aqa, Mujh Mein Aisi Koi Baat Nahin.
Courage is not the absence of fear but it is the will to go on.
What about Eid if a muslim is living on the moon. How will he know its Eid.
Hey, direction is one thing.. what about prayer times? Since there is no sun in space… which times do our poor astronaut follow… or will he be relying on the good ol’ wrist watch?
Abdali: There is correspondence via satellite from earth to the destination. We have communication tools.
Jitna Diya Sarkar Nay Mujko, Itni Meri Auqat Nahi, Yeh Saab Tumhara Karam Hai Aqa, Mujh Mein Aisi Koi Baat Nahin.
Courage is not the absence of fear but it is the will to go on.
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Jitna Diya Sarkar Nay Mujko, Itni Meri Auqat Nahi, Yeh Saab Tumhara Karam Hai Aqa, Mujh Mein Aisi Koi Baat Nahin.
Courage is not the absence of fear but it is the will to go on.
Kennedy Space Station?
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Abdali: There is correspondence via satellite from earth to the destination. We have communication tools.
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You celebrate Eid after seeing the moon. People living on the moon will be seeing the moon 7 X 24.
Ok Abdali, Pristine: same concept applied, i left Toronto by a shuttle rocket now I will follow Toronto's moonsighting and prayer timings.
Jitna Diya Sarkar Nay Mujko, Itni Meri Auqat Nahi, Yeh Saab Tumhara Karam Hai Aqa, Mujh Mein Aisi Koi Baat Nahin.
Courage is not the absence of fear but it is the will to go on.
Hmmmm what if you were born on the moon.
Come On, please take it seriously. Really space station is only a few years away. And there are many many questions that advances in science is throwing up that we are going to need to address.
I came across an article where some guys in Saudi A. had declared the telephone an instrument of Shaitan and forbidden its use. It is only after some marketing guy in Bell Labs suggested that the Shahadda be read over the phone to prove that it was not an evil instrument. We really do now want to deal with technology that way always. Do we? How about some serious analysis?
Pakistan could have the Ability to EXPAND its own Space Research program, but Unfortuantely LACKS the finance or facilities to do so. We know India is allocating Millions into thier own space research so its about time PAKISTAN follows suit. Maybe after Regional tensions are reduced Pakistan can create a Regional Space/Science Agency, maybe in collaboration with other countries EVEN India ! If the Russians and Americans can JOINTLY develop programs Why not Pakistanis and Indians ?? Well just a few things to think about. Instead of spending money on nukes this money can be wisely spent on Science Research which will be BENEFICIAL for all MANKIND !
BTW Talking about Science wheres Thap
Somehow the way things are going i doubt we will ever reach the stage of colonizing planets.
As for praying in space. Facing the general direction of earth might do.
Islam is not a religion of difficulty. There should be an obvious solution to the matter of offering prayer in space if such a need ever arrises.
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*Simmer down PA, a very valid question, toward earth I suppose. When colonising planets I suppose prayer will be offered in earths direction. *
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Ibrahim says: salaams to all
This sort of questions has been repeatedly asked by missionaries to mock Muslims in various email groups and forums for quite some time now.
Anyway , ** All this has been revealed and put into practice long ago ** and only need proper consideration
First every Muslim who travels on a flight in this time frame has this problem when it comes to fard prayers and since they do their prayer sitting down on their seats in flight, it would be obvious the plane will not be facing any direction (30,000 feet above ground level) and it need not be.
Lets read.
2: 177 ** It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces toward East or West; but it is righteousness to believe in Allah** and the Last Day and the Angels and the Book and the Messengers; to spend of your substance out of love for Him for your kin for orphans for the needy for the wayfarer for those who ask and for the ransom of slaves; ** to be steadfast in prayer ** and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient in pain (or suffering) and adversity and throughout all periods of panic. ** Such are the people of truth the Allah-fearing.**
Again we have been told………………..
3: 191 ** Men who celebrate the praises of Allah standing sitting and lying down on their sides and contemplate the (wonders of) creation in the heavens and the earth (with the thought):** "Our Lord! not for naught hast thou created (all) this! Glory to thee! give us salvation from the penalty of the fire.
And the hadiths tells us …………………
Al-Muwatta Hadith Hadith 9.27
Voluntary Prayers while Travelling, by Day and at Night, and Praying on a Riding Beast
Yahya related to me from Malik from Amr ibn Yahya al-Mazini from Abu'l-Hubab Said ibn Yasar that Abdullah ibn Umar said, ** "I saw the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, praying on a donkey while heading towards Khaybar." **
9: 121 Nor could they spend anything (for the cause) small or great ** nor cut across a valley but the deed is inscribed to their credit;** that Allah might requite their deed with the best (possible reward).
Ibrahim says: Thus no matter where one can reach at any time frame, it will all be witnessed by Allah (swt) and will be credited to them as per their works and Allah (swt) is not in any “direction” but is closer to you then your jugular veins.
Allah (swt) knows best
Was salaam
Ibrahim
b] Do not pray unless you believe Allah (swt) will answer and is watching you **
That was a good answer, Ibrahim. Thank you for taking the time. In view of your answer, I am now confused about the criticism that I have read about the Ismaili sect who say that it is not necessary to face Kabaa when saying prayers. Any direction is alright. If I am wrong about this, I apologise before hand.
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Originally posted by OldLahori: In view of your answer, I am now confused about the criticism that I have read about the Ismaili sect who say that it is not necessary to face Kabaa when saying prayers. Any direction is alright. If I am wrong about this, I apologise before hand.
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Ibrahim says: Greetings of peace to one and all
Hi Old Lahori , you seem to be puting forth the Perfect missionary argument! As always it is matter of substitution or asking about one thing and ending up in another. ( normal missionary twist) .
You see Old lahori, you wanted to know direction in outer space now you apply the answer I gave to what deviants may chose to do on earth. Like they say when in Rome do like the Romans do. So when on earth one has to follow what Islam teaches.
Anyway for those on earth and have their two feet firmly planted on the ground with no difficulty whatsoever and are not engaged in “TRAVEL” of some sort.
Read!
2: 148 ** To each is a goal to which Allah turns him; ** then strive together (as in a race) toward all that is good. Wheresoever ye are ** Allah will bring you together.** For Allah hath power over all things.
149 ** From whencesoever thou startest forth turn thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque; that is indeed the truth from thy Lord. And Allah is not unmindful of what ye do. **
150 So from whencesoever thou startest forth turn thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque; among wheresoever ye are turn your face thither that ** there be no ground of dispute against you among the people except those of them that are bent on wickedness; ** so fear them not but fear Me; and that I may complete My favors on you and ye may (consent to) be guided.
Ibrahim says ** This is with regards to unity of the Muslims and not with regards to being in the presence of Allah (swt).** For such people who may want to twist this verse to mean Allah (swt) is only in that direction, Allah (swt) had revealed this verse to expose their misconceptions.
2: 115 ** To Allah belong the East and the West; whithersoever ye turn there is the presence of Allah.** For Allah is All-Pervading All-Knowing.
Regards
Ibrahim
** Common sense always speaks too late. **
If I understood you correctly:
1) When on earth, the direction, timing, and sighting of the moon is all according to the traditions.
2) When and if we run into a situation where these three cannot be 'determined' then we say our 5 prayers at appropriate intervals with 'honest' intentions.
That sounds eminently reasonable to me. Did I get it right?