Prayer Call Banned in Britain

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Muslims in Britain were banned from broadcasting calls for prayers through the mosques’ loudspeaker, a leading British newspaper reported Tuesday, August 24.

The Blackburn Council had rejected a request of the Nur Al-Islam mosque to broadcast the calls for prayers through the mosque’s loudspeakers, saying the decision was to protect the feelings of followers of other faiths, said the Guardian.

“We have to consider there are some people in that area who are not of the Muslim faith,” said Fred Slater, a councilor at the council, Fred Slater.

The council’s decision came after a congregation of the mosque’s visitors had submitted a petition with 182 signatures to allow the mosque summon Muslims for prayers through loudspeakers, saying the calls would only be heard in Audley Range, where most residents are Asian.

Members of the Nur Al-Islam mosque, for their part,** expressed dissatisfaction over the council’s decision, wondering how could the ice cream vans play their tunes on the streets of Blackburn while calls for summoning Muslims to attend the prayers are banned. **

“That probably would not be right in an area where most people are not Muslims. But 90% of people in the Audley and Queen’s Park areas are from the Asian community,” Salim Mulla, the councilor for the ward containing the mosque said.

“There are a couple of mosques in Blackburn which have permission to broadcast the adhaan (prayer call) five times a day,” he added.

He said the calls for prayers only last for two minutes and the mosque wanted to publicly broadcast for the prayers only two or three times a day.

Mulla said the mosque had used to broadcast the prayers calls regularly for more than 10 years. “But there were one or two complaints and they discovered they did not have permission.”
Prayer Call Banned in Britain

Bit of double standards going on here church bells toll in Britiain no problem on a sunday but Muslim call to prayer is banned hmmmm?

Oh yes also ice cream vans playing there cheesy jingles are also allowed!

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Idiots, the article is right Audley Range is packed with Muslims, in fact I swear you'll hardly ever see a gora here, 99% of the people are Indian/South African Gujarati Muslim with some Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, I've heard the Adhaan a few times and it was very faint anyway, first time i heard it in a western country was in audley range, it was a very nice surprise.

They have these double standards and then expect us to be proud of being British.

Anyways Kaafirs hate Islam, we can't expect better from them, one day Islam will reign supreme and then nobody will beable to stop us from calling the Adhaan in our towns, villages and cities where we were born and grew up..

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Anyways Kaafirs hate Islam, we can't expect better from them, one day Islam will reign supreme and then nobody will beable to stop us from calling the Adhaan in our towns, villages and cities where we were born and grew up..
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boohoo, you're welcome to leave kaafirland anytime you'd like. And don't hold your breath for world dominance by muslims either, the pendulum is moving in the other direction.

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Thats unfortunate.

( This is Allah's land.It doesnt belong to any Kafir or what not)

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Don't they have church bells ring too? May be they can stop that too "to protect the feelings of followers of other faiths". Now that will be a start.

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*there were one or two complaints to the local council about the NOISE? in a country where estimated over 2 million muslims reside and where according to the human rights act of 1998, everyone has the right to practice their religion freely, we r seeing so much friction!! why?

may allah curse those who complained about the call to prayer and called it noise.*

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The articles states "Members said they had to consider residents from all faiths, and an appeal from a Christian church to ring bells five times a day would also be rejected

You people should really stop looking for problems and crying discrimination every other breath. It is really quite silly. At least Muslims are allowed to practice their faith. If you want to complain about something, how about Saudi Arabia where you can even have a church, nevermind ring any bells.

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This is Allah's land.It doesnt belong to any Kafir or what not
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Does that apply to SA as well? Can a Christian say it is God's land and doesn't belong to a Muslim or what not?

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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
If you want to complain about something, how about Saudi Arabia where you can't even have a church, nevermind ring any bells.

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that's brilliant, islam zindabad tu kya karai ga kazi

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tolerance should be mutual and secularism should be both ways
islam should practise secularism since it benefits mulslim living
as minorities in many countries.

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I read a newspaper article long time back - sorry, no links - about use of telescopes/ other equipment to sight the moon. The opinion of a maulvi was that use of such equipment was not allowed. It had to been seen with the naked eye. The writer of the article then talked to him about the use of loudspeakers for the prayer call. He said that was not allowed as well.

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If you want to complain about something, how about Saudi Arabia >>where you can't even have a church, nevermind ring any bells.

ya but then she gets labeled as an undemocratic theocracy doesnt she?

"secular" states behaving like that is another matter altogether no?

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People shouldn't say things like "This is Allah's land. It doesnt belong to any Kafir or what not" when the very place that represents Islam, where it was born, where one would think the very best Islam has to offer does not even allow non-Muslims to enter certain areas and no permission at all for places to worship.

That means things are far worse off in areas like that and instead of complaining about Kaafir Land where there is almost unrestricted freedom to practice your faith, why not open threads about these places that need reform and more represent you, your faith and your responsiblility.

You can't judge others by a different set of standards just because their standards are higher.

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Seminole --- I dont think there was anything discriminating in my reply.We're talking about Britain, I dont see why you would bring the Saudies into the discussion.It's like saying 'hey they arent the only people who wont allow others freedom, there are others too.So dont make a big deal, because its ok'.

If Britain wont allow the prayer call, then thats their choice.Im perfectly aware that in this day and age one cant just say this is Allah's land, but the truth is it does belong to the Lord.There is nobody whose name is written on the piece of land they might be living on.

You will only complain and feel when something you hold dear ,is dealt with unfairly.That doesnt mean one cant complain because there are 'worse' situations out there.Everybody has the right to voice injustice.And countries who boast such freedom should either not be such hypocrites, or just stay silent on the matter of the so called 'freedom'.

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so you are saying they are pretty much the same thing, only a matter of degrees? well that may be true, but higher standards i dont agree with completely. i know i made the distinction, but when a country calls itself secular, there be some baseline level that should show that it indeed is that, and unfortunately these are provided by the litmus tests of cases like those above.
a standard which is not applicable enough, well it ain't real then is it?
if it cant be implemented or fails its litmus tests then, you shoud not call it higher only something which is expedient in a particular set of circumstances.
so if secularism is just a useless word meant to disguise expedeincy then, we can say we are at least not fooling anyone by trying to appear anything we are not or what nobody can ever be, no?

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*Originally posted by Muslim_Queen: *
Seminole --- I dont think there was anything discriminating in my reply.We're talking about Britain, I dont see why you would bring the Saudies into the discussion.It's like saying 'hey they arent the only people who wont allow others freedom, there are others too.So dont make a big deal, because its ok'.

If Britain wont allow the prayer call, then thats their choice.Im perfectly aware that in this day and age one cant just say this is Allah's land, but the truth is it does belong to the Lord.There is nobody whose name is written on the piece of land they might be living on.

You will only complain and feel when something you hold dear ,is dealt with unfairly.That doesnt mean one cant complain because there are 'worse' situations out there. Everybody has the right to voice injustice.And countries who boast such freedom should either not be such hypocrites, or just stay silent on the matter of the so called 'freedom'.
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Do Muslims not boast about their superior religion, values and equal opportunity for all? If western countries are held to higher standards because they boast about their freedoms, then Muslim countries should be as well, especially since western societies are exponentially more free than Muslim. So until Saudi Arabia, the keeper of the Holy Places and the Mecca of all things Islamic can at least allow a Christian a place to practice his faith, it is hypercritical and captious to complain about the call to prayer in other countries. A Muslim should hold dear and complain when the heart of Islam treats people so unfairly.

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*Originally posted by ghuLail: *
so you are saying they are pretty much the same thing, only a matter of degrees? well that may be true, but higher standards i dont agree with completely. i know i made the distinction, but when a country calls itself secular, there be some baseline level that should show that it indeed is that, and unfortunately these are provided by the litmus tests of cases like those above.
a standard which is not applicable enough, well it ain't real then is it?
if it cant be implemented or fails its litmus tests then, you shoud not call it higher only something which is expedient in a particular set of circumstances.
so if secularism is just a useless word meant to disguise expedeincy then, we can say we are at least not fooling anyone by trying to appear anything we are not or what nobody can ever be, no?
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Everything is a matter of degrees. No man, country or society is perfect or meets the ideal standard. There are plenty of baselines that show the west allows freedom of religion, in spite of every nit-picky story posted here that tries to prove it otherwise. The west is given a much higher bar to clear while Muslim societies are given a free pass.

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Originally posted by Seminole: *
Do Muslims not boast about their superior religion, values and equal opportunity for all? If western countries are held to higher standards because they boast about their freedoms, then Muslim countries should be as well, especially since western societies are exponentially more free than Muslim. So until Saudi Arabia, the keeper of the Holy Places and the Mecca of all things Islamic can at least allow a Christian a place to practice his faith, it is hypercritical and captious to complain about the call to prayer in other countries. A Muslim *should hold dear and complain when the heart of Islam treats people so unfairly.
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Im not the one running the Saudi country.Muslims may boast all they like, but Islam itself is a religion of equality among all people.No matter what race, gender or age.You're confusing the religion with the people.Saudia Arabia is a holy place, Mecca is there. for one do not want Chistianity or any other religion being practiced in the city.Im not really sure I care what they do anywhere else.I also can understand that if the Christians held Britain as a holy city ,then fine Muslims shouldnt have the prayer call there.However , truth of the matter is, they dont. So why bring up Saudia Arabia, when it doesnt relate to Britian? And I dont see Saudis boasting about people being able to practice all sorts of faiths in the country, I do however, see it happening in Britain.Thats ridiculous.If they want to pick and choose what faiths are allowed to do or not to do,then they shouldnt bring up the fact that they allow equality among its people.

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Mecca is there
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And it's not a tourist site!

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The responses by the Secularists on gupshup is so predictable and they fall into the same trap time and time again.

This article was very basic article about muslims making call to prayer in a small town in Britian.

Reality of Britian it boasts its a multi cultural society where all faiths are welcome and man is allegedly free to practice there religion how they want.

So when this idea is put to the test with a simple call to prayer this boast and slogan is shattered in matter of seconds.

the analogy of the Ice Cream van with its cheesy jingles with nightclubs pumping out rap tunes and what not and churches tolling there bells this is not noise allegedly, it takes a mosque making a call to prayer that shatters this illusion of freedom of religion.

there is no so called freedom to practice your religion it is restricted by the secluarists and they should rename it restrictions on your religion and shows the shallowness of the claim of these people of freedom and democracy like the magic tricks its only an illusion!

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They will have 2 be answerable on the day of Qayamat. Allah poochayga.