I was quite pissed off. I saw plenty of jerks happily sharing the Economist article on my Twitter feed. They loved it. They are absolutely loving the fact that international media is picking on your Army Chief, and creating a picture of doom and gloom. I mean this is the same international media that not so long ago was convinced that Taliban are sitting on your nukes and laying eggs.
Some people have no self respect and galls to challenge Western propaganda against their own country.
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Let them follow this precedent. I don't know about UK, but before the current 'praise the troops' in the US, which I find annoying and is a separate thread, there was also the vietnam war where americans?
Most Brits and Americans (certainly the ones belonging to Vietnam war era) see their own Armies as ruthless, aggressive, imperial invading forces that go around destroying countries, hence some general lack of empathy for returning soldiers. I don't think Pakistan will ever be in that situation as Pakistan Army fights its own demons at her own borders instead of dropping chemical bombs on densely populated defenseless countries.
But yeah I have heard it's getting quite a common in Karachi for young lads to shake hands with Rangers and say thank you to them.
......How pathetic and shameless do you have to be that you get jealous of your own military's astonishing and miraculous success, yes miraculous success and start a propaganda against your Chief who is leading from the front? ...
No one is jealous. It is what a military is supposed to do and should have been doing all along --> Protect our borders.
I appreciate that some generals have actually come out of counting plots of land in DHAs and networking for future lucrative employment opportunities and focus a bit on what they were paid to do in the first place. Long live gen Raheel.
*No one is jealous. It is what a military is supposed to do and should have been doing all along --> Protect our borders.
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I appreciate that some generals have actually come out of counting plots of land in DHAs and networking for future lucrative employment opportunities and focus a bit on what they were paid to do in the first place. Long live gen Raheel.
But it is still not rocket science that military commanders get flurry of exuberant praise for successful military campaigns. You are not the only country in the world which had produced a fine military commander who is well liked by the public. So people who cannot stomach his well earned popularity are pathetically jealous.
If Army Chief's professional and people friendly demeanor overshadows your democrats like Nawaz Sharif and Mamoon Hussain, then there's something totally different you need to worry about. For starters, maybe stop coming to power through rigging so people respect your mandate and democracy? Or how about not flying to your real "homes" in Jeddha, Dubai, London on Eid to earn some public goodwill?
Roughly what percentage of Pakistanis think likes of Nawaz and Zardari have no moral authority rule them even if they don't fancy a martial law?
....For starters, maybe stop coming to power through rigging so people respect your mandate and democracy? Or how about not flying to your real "homes" in Jeddha, Dubai, London on Eid to earn some public goodwill?
Roughly what percentage of Pakistanis think likes of Nawaz and Zardari have no moral authority rule them even if they don't fancy a martial law?
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Military has no moral authority to rule us either.
Military has no moral authority to rule us either.
Good. Now answer the question. Last time I checked, there had been no coup in Pakistan for nine years, so who's apparently damaging Pakistani democracy, Nawaz Sharif's incompetent, vision less and corrupt leadership or Gen Raheel just 'doing his job'?
Soon or later likes of you will have to stop treating military as boogeyman and punching bag, and finally address the evils within the civilian institutions that destroy democracy. It was military's fault that you couldn't get bloody get four constituencies investigated for rigging.
Apparently investigation into electoral rigging was a threat to democracy in Pakistan. What effed up definition of democracy do people have?
In simpler words , mujh ke aage been bajanee ka koi faida nahi..
( This mujh is suiting here very well only 2nd to nasir jamshaid of world up fame )
Then shut the hell up with your besuri been. Like I bloody care what you have to say. Bugger off.
You may be a typical Pakistani man, but if you think I'm some typical Pakistani woman that I would get intimidated by your mujh, mujh dig, then don't even bloody try it.
Good. Now answer the question. Last time I checked, there had been no coup in Pakistan for nine years, ....
Come back in 90 years and we talk. If military is in barracks and not running cement factories, insurance companies, fertilizer plants, real estate businesses, banks, universities, etc., then we can have a discussion. As of now, all major decisions regarding our foreign policy are dictated from GHQ. Whatever is wrong with the country, the military has to take equal, if not significant, blame. Is a decade of no coup a great feat to be proud of?
Bari maharbani ghar ke chaukidaar ki kay 9 saal ghar pe qabza kernay ka takkluf nahee kiya.
Come back in 90 years and we talk. If military is in barracks and not running cement factories, insurance companies, fertilizer plants, real estate businesses, banks, universities, etc., then we can have a discussion. As of now, all major decisions regarding our foreign policy are dictated from GHQ. Whatever is wrong with the country, the military has to take equal, if not significant, blame. I*s a decade of no coup a great feat to be proud of?*
Bari maharbani ghar ke chaukidaar ki kay 9 saal ghar pe qabza kernay ka takkluf nahee kiya.
Still avoiding the main question. Whose job is it in the country to strengthen the perception of democracy and take it to grass root level? If your democracy is hugely threatened by an Army chief "doing his job", then you have serious issues with the kind of democracy you have in the country. It is simple cowardice to find scapegoats for all your failures but takes guts to acknowledge the problem.
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No it is a simple fact. Sooner or later people like you will run out of excuses and will have you hold your great democrats like Zardari and Nawaz Sharif for damaging democracy, and I cannot wait for the Mullahs to get over their yahoodi saazish paranoia and pseudo democrats stop hallucinating about khaaki saazish in everything to finally start taking action based approach on real issues. Democracy will improve and deliver.
If Army has created all this mess, then let them work hard to redeem themselves and earn the respect and love back. If public in the process ends up appreciating them, then that's their freedom and right.
No one is stopping the bloody democrats to just "do their job" like the Army Chief and win the public. But GHQ is probably done kala jadoo on poor bloody civilians that they cannot take care of their crap.
Still avoiding the main question. Whose job is it in the country to strengthen the perception of democracy and take it to grass root level? If your democracy is hugely threatened by an Army chief "doing his job", then you have serious issues with the kind of democracy you have the country. .....
Sorry, no. Democracy is threatened by Army NOT doing its job and infiltrating into civilian affairs.
Politicians being greedy leaches does not give license to military to act as common thug.
It is not about right or wrong. Disproportionate blame game is a sign of cowardice dishonesty . Army is currently "doing it's job" .....so bit of guts to admit that civilians on the other hand not doing their job is a major threat to democracy. If you agree that democracy is a system of effective governance and service delivery. I don't even think there's any point discussing this i you don't agree with this.
It is not about right or wrong. Disproportionate blame game is a sign of cowardice dishonesty . Army is currently "doing it's job" .....so bit of guts to admit that civilians on the other hand not doing their job is a major threat to democracy. If you agree that democracy is a system of effective governance and service delivery. I don't even think there's any point discussing this i you don't agree with this.
Open your mind. Open your heart.
Take a look at this forum, newspapers, or any other public forum and honestly tell me that army is getting disproportionate blame.
You'll see politicians being ridiculed, criticized and vilified everywhere MUCH MUCH more than military.
If you can't see that, Allah Hafiz.
P.S. Taking a serious look at views opposing yours is a sign of maturity. Please consider.
Guys!!!!!! I think we have a brilliant logician among us!!!
You excitement is so cute.
But following on from your great logic. the PPP cabinet meeting Dubai to discuss, is it definition of Army threatening democracy?
I am not proposing martial law, I passionately support a political party and think they are doing a decent enough job in KPK. I want them in power in Punjab through free and fair electoral victory.
It is people like you shy away from condemning the evils done by your democrat Kings which is damaging democracy, not an Army chief who is "just doing his job".
