I really don’t understand why some “Pakistani” cannot stand their military being praised? Why is it turning into such a taboo? Can you really argue against the fact that current crop of Military leadership hasn’t take bold and commendable steps to earn the respect back?
How pathetic and shameless do you have to be that you get jealous of your own military’s astonishing and miraculous success, yes miraculous success and start a propaganda against your Chief who is leading from the front? Don’t you know wars are won by high public morale, so you shameless creatures, what exactly do you achieve by targeting your own chief and making him the centre of every controversy? You taunt him, mock him, and belittle him because criminals like Zardari and Nawaz are no match for him? You think it is a great service to your Army’s morale? You shameless creatures…you are just as bad as Indian trolls and Afghans who abuse and bully your youth nonstop online by abusing and bashing Pak Army. This is how they get Pakistanis.
Maybe take a lesson on popular legacies based on war and glory. Duke of Wellington defeated the mighty Napoleon, he became the next big thing after the slice of bread. They erected statues in his honour and treated him like a pseudo Monarch. Ataturk with his worn and tired and divided Army took on the Imperial European powers and snatched the country from their jaws, they named him father of the nation. Like Turkey did not have a list of proud and glorious Kings before that solider arrived on the scene? Churchill as a Prime Minister kept the country together and nation’s morale high during WWII, and all his blunders were forgiven.
So bloody what if in Pakistan there’s a #ThankYouGeneralRaheel](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=ThankYouGeneralRaheel) hastags? Has the war against Taliban not blew another life in Pakistan? Should Pakistanis really not have the right to ravel in the happiness that they are on the course of winning the war, that the whole world and your own declared ‘unwinnable’? There is finally some stability and peace in the country.
While NATO forces carries the baggage of failure in Afghanistan, while Turkey is making a mess in its Kurdish region, India struggling with Kashmir and Easter insurgency, the whole of Middle East is burning with blood soaked civil wars. So you Pakistanis should be so proud of your Army’s success in Zarb e Azb? Why should you not?
Don’t even pretend that Pakistanis did not a turn a judge into a messiah, feudal father daughter duo into messiah, a sportsman turned philanthropist into a messiah, all “bloody civilians” right? So why so much pain in the ass if there are Thank You Raheel Sharif sentiments?
Some people are so shameless that they turn Western media’s baseless propaganda against your own Army into a word of holy revelation. Yes that same international media that called your country a failed state on the verge of Taliban takeover. Have some shame. Did you believe the media back then? I bet you did. So who proved your sorry self wrong?
Democracy is stronger than ever before in Pakistan. Look at the level of awareness on electoral process, a healthy competition is going on between two major parties and provinces, your public and media takes part in by-elections with full passion and fervor. Political debates happen in the country like raining cats and dogs. You have an incredibly popular young and dynamic political party which has enfranchised your youth, women and urban middle class. So how can you say democracy is in danger because your corrupt political parties feel some heat on accountability? MQM is sans battalion of target killers? Or PMLN feels pressured to come clean of billion dollar scams in energy sector? So your democracy is in danger? This is your pathetic definition of democracy?
Have some shame honestly. I have a friend who used to say that Pakistan will just turn into another Syria because there will no leadership in wartime, Army will get no backing, and a civil war will erupt between major power hungry groups. I guess we most certainly do have a leadership in the country, if it is a man in uniform, so be it.
Since my friend is a nice person, so she's really pleased to be proven wrong, but I think we have plenty of jerks who cannot see things going so smoothly and without any major fall out. Hence their sorry ass predicts a coup every hour of the day.
Lakwa ho jaata hay tareef karnay say. We keep on admonishing them for their past, but should develop the courage to acknowledge the achievements as well.
Lakwa ho jaata hay tareef karnay say. We keep on admonishing them for their past, but should develop the courage to acknowledge the achievements as well.
They love to whine and moan nonstop that they have "lost all wars", but get mouth ulcers when it comes to praising their own Army for winning a war you desperately wanted them to fight. You think your troops really appreciate the constant mocking and taunting of their Chief who hasn't set a foot wrong by these PPP and PMLN style democracy loving Jihadi Johns?
How can they possibly grow so bitter and envious for their Army who is fighting incredibly difficult untraditional war yet Pakistan's survival rest on this war?
These so called democracy loving hippies cannot stand the man in uniform being loved by the public, but these are the same hypocrites who left no stone unturned to rip apart a civilian leader into many pieces who was arguably the most popular and well received politician since Bhutto.
I can understand why an average PTI supporter may be feeling iffy by Gen Raheel's popularity because it has completely taken the focus off Imran. But those who couldn't stand Imran's guts, his massive support base, his quest for free and fair democracy are suddenly crying blue murder over man in uniform's popularity. I mean who the hell are they trying to fool with their blatant hypocrisy.
Are these libtards are finally happy that Imran has actually taken a back and the focus is now military leadership? No, they are just never happy.
Just give these self proclaimed bloody civilians time and space and watch how they panic, get paranoid and shoot themselves in the foot. Keep them so engaged in bashing military that they forget to do anything for the public’s interest, and let their public approval rating further drop.
Continue the Zarb e Azb against all external and internal enemies, even if it takes a lifetime.
I hope Gen Raheel has set up a proper precedent for the Army. May the next COAS follow his footsteps and legacy.
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I hope Gen Raheel has set up a proper precedent for the Army. May the next COAS follow his footsteps and legacy.
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Let them follow this precedent. I don't know about UK, but before the current 'praise the troops' in the US, which I find annoying and is a separate thread, there was also the vietnam war where americans spat on the soldiers that returned home from the orient.
Pretty pathetic generalisation by OP. Well if you get out of GS, you will find that most Pakistanis are praising the army the chief, however, its natural for people to be wary of military take overs, since it been a very common phenomenon in Pakistan.
It is not just about GS, did you see the long, almost never ending drivel about Army chief's popularity in Dawn today? Or Hamid Mir's latest article shaming the possible extension of COAS (which is year away), there are countless such 'articles', be it from BBC, Economist and Dawn. The agenda is unmistakable. You can say that likes of Dawn. Express Tribune, and Jang don't represent common Pakistan, and that's fine and it's probably true, but the sheer frustration that desi self proclaim liberals are getting over just by Army's chief's genuine and absolutely well deserved popularity is getting quite pathetic. He's literally getting under their skin for doing nothing wrong which is evident by this new streak of propaganda against him in the print media.
It is natural to be wary of military coup, and military had at faced at least dozen different instances where they could have imposed the coup during sit ins, but do not just cry coup, coup, coup just because some mega corrupt politicians are facing some accountability threat or the Army chief spends time on the frontlines on Eid while Nawaz and Zardari fly out to their real homes in Dubai, London and Jeddah.
Of course I have yet to meet any Pakistani who hasn't made a distinguished praise for Gen Raheel. He's a professional, very war matured soldier, and very astute, war experienced, strategy focused, courageous General. Not many people disagree with the fact that he is indeed very good. What's wrong with just letting this fact afloat for sake of merit?
May it is even more frustrating when print media paints a totally different narrative from the one that actually exists on the ground. If Dawn and others were to reflect the true sentiments of Pakistanis, then there would be at least some genuine praise for the General and the way he is winning the war against all odds.
But then again, just like everything else, the source of Pakistani media funding is also highly dubious.
All this crying about coup, coup....coup coming this week, coup coming next month, coup coming this weekend, coup coming up next year. What if there is no bloody coup at the end after all that? Who loses the face? Of course the self proclaimed bloody civilians!
This strategy of aggravating the Army by running mindless campaign against them will massively back fire tomorrow, if not today. This whole coup crying is an obvious baiting for Army, and for strong reaction.
Otherwise a COAS has 1 year left, he may or not go after that, but in either case it will totally constitutional and legal. So instead of making his remaining stay so controversial. how about the print media arm chair intellectuals show some outrage on criminal politicians ruling the country since 80s, and have absolutely no plans of going anywhere.
Well why even the fascination with Imran Khan, han?
My undergrad dissertation was based on British foreign policy after emergence of Ataturk, and I was fascinated by him and at that time, I clearly remember hoping for an Ataturk like commander for Pakistan, and I see Gen Raheel having bit of Ataturk moment as we speak. How he blew a whole new different life into the ‘sick man of Europe’, and that one military campaign against Greeks in Smyrna just turned things around for Turkey forever, is very similar to what Gen Raheel is doing through Zarb e Azb.
So it is genuinely quite fascinating, quite touching and quite surreal and inspiring. I’m really proud of Pakistan Army for turning things around with so much efficiency and success despite the odds.
I dont think there will be any one who is not praising the effort from our army at the front line of Zarb-e-azb. They are doing a Job they are trained for however it doesnot qualify for them to run the country successfully.
ANy one can think Rahell sharif having more charisma than Ayub khan. No...
But what happened later when he tired to " HELP OUT " the country. He got trapped with the same " Dirty " politicians against whom he stand out.
Same went for Zia ul haq and than Musharraf. People see a quick releief but at the end not a long term solution for the country.
That is the reason , some " Bloody civilians " who have already seen these praising the Ameer ul mujahideen thing earlier got annoyed and feard of another coup.
Knowing bit of history often helps you understand the present. Names likes Wallington, Ataturk are mentioned to show that you are not the only country in this world who has produced a successful wartime commander that people have fallen in love with because they saved their respective countries from falling apart. World history is full of such well credited military personalities. So get over it.
If Pakistanis love a general for defeating the TALIBAN, then this only makes Pakistanis appear in positive light and defies the propaganda of them being a Taliban sympathetic, sharia craving state crafted by your bloody "world media".
Those who cannot stomach Pak Fauj's public approval rate only used operation against Taliban as a rhetoric because they are ones who cannot tolerate Army getting the praise for their brilliant success against enemies from Quetta to Karachi to Khyber. MashAllah. Touchwood.
Last time I checked, Gen Raheel is a Pakistani and so is Pak Fauj. If Pak Fauj and a General is praised for defeating the Taliban and bringing peace in the country, it only enhances your country's military profile, considering the hot mess NATO has made in Afghanistan and how the Middle East is burning. So be proud of the fact you have a strong, professional and an authoritative Army which hasn't allowed the situation to go out of hand despite having plenty of internal and external enemies.
I dont think there will be any one who is not praising the effort from our army at the front line of Zarb-e-azb. They are doing a Job they are trained for however it doesnot qualify for them to run the country successfully.
ANy one can think Rahell sharif having more charisma than Ayub khan. No...
But what happened later when he tired to " HELP OUT " the country. He got trapped with the same " Dirty " politicians against whom he stand out.
Same went for Zia ul haq and than Musharraf. People see a quick releief but at the end not a long term solution for the country.
That is the reason , some " Bloody civilians " who have already seen these praising the Ameer ul mujahideen thing earlier got annoyed and feard of another coup.
The whole classic bloody civilian logic of aggravating the Army is the best to avoid coup, eh?
You think your pre paid print media constantly mocking, taunting and taking sly digs at publicly loved COAS will somehow avoid the coup and make his new generation troops love the "bloody civilians". You think this is a healthy strategy?
I think you are underestimating the intelligence of some bloody civilians, they are baiting for Army to take over so parties like PPP and PMLN get political martyrdom which ensures their future tenures. What else Baby Zardari will sell for future elections if he doesn't have a dictator to badmouth.
I hope Army never gives such bloody civilians the opportunity. Let them shoot themselves in the foot...just give them some space and time.
^ That will be the best for country if the new generation army learnt to stay inside their defined role and not pocking their nose to HELP OUT sick democracy. As already said by some well versed writer . Solution for a sick democracy is more demcoracy...
I hope against hope that the new generataion of army learnt this lesson. as some one said that Military need not only power rather extreme power.
Reply to the lady saying above will soon be chracter assesination of hers in the paid media..
That lady has already been reduced down to being a counsellor of Altaf Hussain. This is how bad the situation has become for her. She's badly exposed in free media. She now needs to have some character for any character assassination to take place.
I hope the young generation of bloody civilians like you have also realised that turning military into an anti democracy bogeyman won't strengthen democracy either. It will just further deepen the division and mistrust, and hamper mutual cooperation. The Mullahs have failed to establish Islamic laws in country by crying yahoodi saazish for everything, so Zardari style democracy loving bloody civilians won't achieve much either by crying hoarse about Army. Such paranoia and obsession for finding scapegoats for ones own failures is majorly counter productive.
