Practicing or Appearing?

[STA]

Re: Practicing or Appearing?

@Little Princess

whatever a person does is an affair between that person and Allah , But the five pillars of islam do come before other things.Faraez ki ahhemmiyat sunnat se kaheen zyadah hai.

but if one is trying to do either sunnat or fard, would you discourage him/her. what if Allah does not like attitude of the one who is practicing fard but criticizing to another muslim becuase he is not good in either but trying to do his level best.

[LP]

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@STA

but if one is trying to do either sunnat or fard, would you discourage him/her

nopes , every persons Affair is with Allah , i’m no one to judge the next person or discourage him/her.

[TLK]

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the topic is not about picking and choosing, the topic is about what is important. This means that if a person becomes Muslim, what will you ask him/her to do first.

[hareem01]

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@P_G

hareem naqab to chor bhi rat main pehan ker aata hay or daarhee to Firoon ki bhi thee…yaqeenan na naqab aham hay na daarhee

lakin agar koi i darhee is intention say keray k woh is ko Nabi ki sunnat hay ya koi muslim awrat perda is ley keray k yeh islamic order hay to kia app us ko yeh bolain gee jaao pehlay apnee namazian sahe kero or jaao ka ker rozay takhoo tub tak tum na darhe rakh saktay ho na hijaab ?

app na naqab ko ahmiyat dain na beard ko lakin app intention ko to ahmiyat day saktay hain na ?

namaz roza haaj zakaat yeh sub bhi huqooq Allah hain …is say kia saabit hoa ?

As I said, beard and hijab if done for the sake of Allah fall under the category of huququllah…just like namaz and roza. It’s something between Allah and His banda.

[STA]

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@Little Princess

nopes , every persons Affair is with Allah , i’m no one to judge the next person or discourage him/her.

but you are saying five pillars come first then anything, yes they do.but what if one is not following properly, but just following bits of religion, what is the future of that person.

[Aceones]

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meri murghi ki aik taang

[psyah]

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@TLK

the topic is not about picking and choosing, the topic is about what is important. This means that if a person becomes Muslim, what will you ask him/her to do first.

Do Ghusl./Wudu, wear nice clothes and atar … come to the masjid … Learn prayer, it all comes together …

[LP]

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@STA

but you are saying five pillars come first then anything, yes they do.but what if one is not following properly, but just following bits of religion, what is the future of that person.

What i say is my opinion.The future of a person isnt based on my opinion but as i said its between him and Allah.

[P_G]

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@Little Princess

whatever a person does is an affair between that person and Allah , But the five pillars of islam do come before other things.Faraez ki ahhemmiyat sunnat se kaheen zyadah hai.

faraiz ka darja sunnat say barha hay kion k farz quran say sabit hota hay or sunnat hadees say

cheezon k dermiyan maraatib hona or baat hay ..lakin Ahmiaat sub ki hay …

[psyah]

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We should stop secularising the facets of Islamic practice … They go hand in hand most of the time.

[STA]

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psyah meets P_G

P_G meets psyah.

[hareem01]

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I think “practice” is not the right word/term to use here that’s why I said “character” on the very first page.

[TLK]

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@psyah

Do Ghusl./Wudu, wear nice clothes and atar … come to the masjid … Learn prayer, it all comes together …

I am sure you are either joking or avoiding the practicality of my question.

I heard a story from Mufti Saeed, who talked about some ruler of old Russia was looking for the true religion. He asked some Molvis what I need to change to become Muslim. They gave him a long list of no pork, no wine, no adultery, this and that and what not. He asked the same to Christians who replied that nothing but to believe in Lord and Jesus. The guy with all his followers became a Christian.

When we put together a not-to/to do list in front of a non-muslim, that shows everything with the same importance, we intimidate people. Even Allah SWT did not ask prophet to have people stop drinking and ribah and all from the day one. Prophet made these things enter slowly into people’s life. Our problem is that we want a new person to be momin from day one. We are not ready to give him/her a learning time.

[psyah]

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If we consider the onion skin model … First comes belief, then comes character and then comes behaviour … Beards, hijab/Khimar, treatment of others and worship are all part of behaviour. The character governs the true shape of that behaviour which is unseen to other people but evident to Allah … RasoolAllah (SAW) came perfect character … That should tell us a lot.

[LP]

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@P_G

faraiz ka darja sunnat say barha hay kion k farz quran say sabit hota hay or sunnat hadees say

cheezon k dermiyan maraatib hona or baat hay ..lakin Ahmiaat sub ki hay …

ahemmiyat was a wrong choice of of word by me, but yeah thts wht i meant..the darajat/maratib as you put it.

[hareem01]

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@psyah

If we consider the onion skin model … First comes belief, then comes character and then comes behaviour … Beards, hijab/Khimar, treatment of others and worship are all part of behaviour. The character governs the true shape of that behaviour which is unseen to other people but evident to Allah … RasoolAllah (SAW) came perfect character … That should tell us a lot.

Treatment of others is part of character not behaviour. Imam Ghazali said that in his book (very first few pages actually) quoting several ahadith.

[Aceones]

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@TLK

I am sure you are either joking or avoiding the practicality of my question.

I heard a story from Mufti Saeed, who talked about some ruler of old Russia was looking for the true religion. He asked some Molvis what I need to change to become Muslim. They gave him a long list of no pork, no wine, no adultery, this and that and what not. He asked the same to Christians who replied that nothing but to believe in Lord and Jesus. The guy with all his followers became a Christian.

When we put together a not-to/to do list in front of a non-muslim, that shows everything with the same importance, we intimidate people. Even Allah SWT did not ask prophet to have people stop drinking and ribah and all from the day one. Prophet made these things enter slowly into people’s life. Our problem is that we want a new person to be momin from day one. We are not ready to give him/her a learning time.

actualy you are bit exagerating here, nobody in the whole thread ever said start doing everything from the day one. all people said is, start with faraiz, move towards so called “appearance”. there is no need to categarize them in more less important when we all know what is farz and what is sunnah, they are all important. none of us here has any confusion about basic tenets of Islam, a 7 year old school kid is taught that.

the only point people trying to make here is that, consoling the negligence of ourselves saying its lesser important, is an evil thing to do, and it should not be like that. do it step by step, one by one, but do not belittle any ahkaam

[TLK]

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As someone mentioned.

Namaaz without Hijaab/Daarhee is permitted (yes Allah may not be as happy, but still permitted).

Hijaab/Darhee without Namaaz is useless.

Ab aap logon kee marzi hai iss issue ko kitna complicated kar lain, its not going to change the definition of the foundation of Islam, which is practice and not appearance. Practice is an independent variable, appearance is a dependent variable.

[TLK]

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@Aceones

actualy you are bit exagerating here

sure dude, I am exaggerating and everyone else is sticking to the point.

Thanks for pointing that out

[hareem01]

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Namaz without hijab is permitted?