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and that for you is a "stereotypical mullah" ? thats nobody's fault if its so, but yours.
Aap ghussa kyun ho rahi ho meri behan? Yes unfortunately that is exactly how they are stereotyped these days.
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and that is where I differ in my thought process perhaps...... because I would see it as you may have some faults but you are completing your farz so insha-Allah your faults may, at some point, be corrected.
And for my faults to be corrected, I need to first realise that I'm at fault, no?
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Aap ghussa kyun ho rahi ho meri behan? Yes unfortunately that is exactly how they are stereotyped these days.
meri behan awesome!
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Mere bhai? -_-
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And for my faults to be corrected, I need to first realise that I'm at fault, no?
yes...of course.
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yahan sawal yeh nahin hai kay kaun behtar musalmaan hai......iss ka jawab tau Allah hi janay.
or main bilkul bhi is per bat nahi ker rahee k behter musalman kon hai ....
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sawal sirf aur sirf yeh tha kay insaan shakal aur pehnaway say musalman nazar aa'ay ya apni adaton say momin ho.....aap apnay liyay kya chahaingay?
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Muzna . pehnawa agar main quran ya hadees ko follow kernay k ley pehntee hoon to yaqeenan yeh mere practice main shumar hai ...or main is bat per yeh nahi kehtee k ok i m fine with my salaat or naik adaat ..bay shak *minni skirt * pehan ker baahir nikal jaaon
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*agar aap yeh maanti hain kay pehnawa bhi aik "aadat/amal" hai tau aap ka jawab simply yeh hona chahiyay kay aap apni aadaton say momina hona pasand karaingi.
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main to shuroo say yeh keh rahe hoon k practice or apperence alag nahi hay dono per ammal kerna zaroore hay ..mere nazdeek namaz bhi practice hay or hijaab bhi ..main dono per ammal kerna chahoon gee
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it was not a complicated question and the answer should be equally simple. many understood that
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: ).. question simple hay lakin question main apperence or practice ki division is sence main kerna k ik IMP hay or dosra Un IMP yeh cheez
ghalat hai ..app yeh zaroor kaho k main pehlay namaz perhoon gee or phir apnee apperence per koshish keroon gee to its make sence ..kion is main app bayshak namaz ko first or apperence ko 2nd per ker raheen hain lakin app ki neyat dono per ammal kernay k hay
so its prove both r imp for u
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the side-effects of the question, however, were geared to reveal how people think and what their "mindsets" are.
my personal opinion is that if I practice my faith in all aspects of my life, I will soon begin to follow all the other rules that are set forth as well. I think that this would be a natural progression......
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100% percent agree
dunno if anyone addressed this or not but..... **mullah ban kay goomnay say app ka koi farz ada nahin hota **magar namaz perho to app ka farz ada hota hai....uss kay baad aap aur kitnay rules break karo uss ka hisaab ho ja'ay ga
and no, I don't mean to suggest that one should break the rules or that one will definitely be forgiven. Allah knows best.
beard is sunnah .. ..is say sunnat ada ho jatee hay ..**or NAbi ki sunnat isnt un imp for any muslim
Muzna ...app ki or hamare baat main zyada ferq nahi hai ...
main is bat per bilkul bhi bat nahi ker rahe k namaz perhnay say insan acha muslman banta hay ya beard ya hijab kernay say
acha bura muslman ko bilkul discussion say nikal dain ..kion woh faisla sirf Allah ker saktay hain
yahan bat yeh k ISLAM k Ahkam main koi musalman Comparison nahi daal sakta ..yeh kam sirf Allah or us k RAsool ka hai
main app ko yahan aysee 4 say 5 Ahadees bata saktee hon jis main sahaba karaam nay Nabi salal Allaho alyhi waslam say poocha k
islaam main afzal ammal kon sa hay
to App salal Allaho alyhi wasalam ka jawab her dafa ik nahi tha ..
ik hadees main app nay afzal ammal ...kalam-e- shahdat ko kaha
ik hadees main namaz ko kaha
ik hadees main jihaad ko kaha
ik hadees main parents say husn-e-salook ko kaha
ik hadees main muslamno ka ik dosray ko salam kerna or khana khilanayy ko kaha
is per ulema-e-karam nay jawaab diya hay k Appa salal Allaho alyhi wasalam kay tmam answers derasal poochnay walay ki condition per depend kertay ..app ko poochnay walay main jis ammal ki kaami mehsoos hotee app us ko afzal ammal kehtay ..takay woh us main improvment layee
or is say yeh saabit hota hay k Deen kay tmaam ahkaam afzal hain ...app us ko IMP or Less IMP main divide nahi kero
haan yun kaho k pehlay main in cheezon per ammal shuroo keroon ga phir dosray per..its make sence **
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How can you practice w/o appearing?
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Muzna > and if u find that my whole reply is not related abut wat u want to asked .. then i accept my fault ... k mujhay kion nahi samjh aa raha : S
Huma. Why u post my runway pic w/o permassion 
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Was watching a discussion that included Dr. Zakir Naik on the matter of stereotyping and came across this interesting question.....
Is it more important to "appear" muslim, that is, have a beard and wear a cap or dress in hijab/scarf or to "practice" being a muslim where you may not necessarily dress like one but act like one.
Thoughts?
Question is little confusion as in what is a practicing muslims?
As per my understanding Islam is considered as a code of life and it engulfs every aspect of muslims's lives.
May be we can look at it as in Islam somethings are given more importance than others and hence these constitute as farads such as praying 5 times a day or fasting in ramadan. Dress code is important but while it is superior to cover your head (in case of ladies) and properly cover your body it is not included as a farad. If someone is keeping a beard for the sake of following sunnah and if someone is wearing scarf for the sake of following islamic dress code then they most probably follow other aspect of the religion too.
I think following only farad is very rudimentary stage and islam expect every muslim to at-least do that. Going a step further requires more effort and taqwa and not many people are capable /willing of it.
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Muzna > and if u find that my whole reply is not related abut wat u want to asked .. then i accept my fault ... k mujhay kion nahi samjh aa raha : S
your reply is definitely related....and insightful.
I think we are saying the same thing except that I have asked you to put the two things in an order of importance and you seem to be reluctant to set one as lower priority than the other.
I've never said that appearance is NOT important......but I agree that it is less important than practice.
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tum baaz na ana 
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Just felt like adding here a general view based on daily life experience.
The worst form of any sin/mistake is when we start justifying it. If I follow the appearance but am weak in character (which I am) I should at least accept it & keep trying to improve myself to the extent possible. I should know that those who follow the appearance are watched more closely / frowned upon on minor mistakes, while people not following the appearance easily get away with far bigger mistakes. You would never hear comments like, "Clean shave/ chikna look ko to dekho aur harkatein dekho!!" or "Kia faida nangey sar/ k'hulli zulfoon ka jub aamaal aisey hein" So, appearance kind of itself motivates you to improve & come up to the expectations (of character) that are expected from you in society.
Alhamdulillah, beard/hijab is kind of "STOP" sign towards sins (in most cases). Not only for those who practice it, but also for those who previously tried to send love letters to you in your non-hijab/ non-beard days. Hence, it facilitates the character development process (not talking about people who misuse it)
But the problem is that whenever the topic of appearance comes, a lot of good character people immediately turn the discussion towards "importance of Good Character" and hide behind examples of Taliban/ Moulvi to console a guilty heart, instead of humbly accepting that they have not yet achieved the appearance, and are still trying, hoping that one day they would achieve it by the grace & mercy of ALLAH (Subhana Wa'ta'aala)
ALLAH (Jalla Jalaaluhu) gives Taufeeq *of following good character/ appearance to those who humbly accept what they lack & sincerely pray to ALLAH to bless them with the strength to be able to follow the Prophet *(Sallallaahu aleyhi Wasallam).
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So niqabis and bearded muslims have "achieved" the high rank of Islam?
If someone is really looking for the qualities of a muttaqqi he should read Surah Baqarah's first few ruku.
Also, if someone is following hijab and beard as an order of Allah then it comes under huquq of Allah...a matter between them and God solely.
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IMO,practicing is more important than the appearing.
Practice + Appearing = Excellent
Practice - Appearing = Good
Appearing - Practice =
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Not saying that the bearded/ hijabed have achieved anything, but it facilitates a lot. A bearded man, if by mistake passes by the street where prostitutes are standing, even they would take two steps backwards.
When you pass by a group of people discussing bad jokes in a public place, they immediately stop in 'haya' of a bearded/hijabi person.
After keeping beard even doctors/nurses quickly understand when a man tells them that he would prefer a man to apply bandage on him.
Just my understanding, could be wrong for people living in other parts of the world.
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*So niqabis and bearded muslims have "achieved" the high rank of Islam? *
If someone is really looking for the qualities of a muttaqqi he should read Surah Baqarah's first few ruku.
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hareem naqab to chor bhi rat main pehan ker aata hay or daarhee to Firoon ki bhi thee...yaqeenan na naqab aham hay na daarhee
lakin agar koi darhee is intention say keray k woh is ko Nabi ki sunnat samjhta hay ya koi muslim awrat perda is ley keray k yeh islamic order hay to kia app us ko yeh bolain gee jaao pehlay apnee namazian sahe kero or jaao ka ker rozay rakhoo tub tak tum na darhe rakh saktay ho na hijaab ?
app na naqab ko ahmiyat dain na beard ko lakin app intention ko to ahmiyat day saktay hain na ?
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namaz roza haaj yeh sub bhi huqooq Allah hain ...is say kia saabit hoa ?
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Still I think beard and niqab/headscarf (more than just dressing up modestly) is something between Allah and His creation if done only for the sake of Allah. Now we all know the status of huqooq ul Allah and huqooq ul Ibaad in Islam.
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Peace All and especially Sister Muzna
This question is like asking what is more important to be:
Muslim or Mu'min
And actually it is missing some essential points in the question itself. Islam is about putting things in their rightful place.
Appearance is important, but it should come out of love for the Sunnah and not out of desire to show others how religious we are. If that was the case then to protect ourselves from that minor shirk of Riya I would say it is better not to be "appearing" religious ... But only to protect oneself from the harm of the wrong intention.
Appearance is part of the practice of being religious ... If by practice we say appearance, rituals and treating our fellow people nicely is all included, then any of these can also be coupled with the wrong intention. In which case it may be better for people to 'practice' in private.
But rather than the extremes and say that we forsake any act of worship in order to preserve our intentions we should observe all acts of worship and constantly seek protection and forgiveness if we feel any Riya is setting in ... The constant act of polishing ourselves whilst observing the requirements is indeed the highest ideal.
However doing the basics is critical for being ... Let's say the minimal accepted criteria is to do as TLK suggests ... Now to ask is the bear minimum more important or is the highest ideal more important ... ?
But we can't really talk about this in isolation ... Just as it is wrong to conclude that not observing ritual and sulook is okay ... It is also wrong to conclude that to appear religious is something to be avoided so long as the other things are in place.
The most important thing is to put all things in their rightful place ... Appearance and other forms of practice ... Let not neglect come in to other forms of good practice if appearance is good and let not neglect come in to appearance if other forms of practice is good.
For a surety if we neglect any facet of practice be it sulook, rituals or attire and how these work together with one another then that is a weakness that can be exploited by Shaitan ... And he will choose the weakest facet to exploit ... So we should understand the true ideal and work towards it. The true ideal being how all these facets are in balance with one another.
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hareem naqab to chor bhi rat main pehan ker aata hay or daarhee to Firoon ki bhi thee...yaqeenan na naqab aham hay na daarhee
lakin agar koi i darhee is intention say keray k woh is ko Nabi ki sunnat hay ya koi muslim awrat perda is ley keray k yeh islamic order hay to kia app us ko yeh bolain gee jaao pehlay apnee namazian sahe kero or jaao ka ker rozay takhoo tub tak tum na darhe rakh saktay ho na hijaab ?
app na naqab ko ahmiyat dain na beard ko lakin app intention ko to ahmiyat day saktay hain na ?
whatever a person does is an affair between that person and Allah , But the five pillars of islam do come before other things.Faraez ki ahhemmiyat sunnat se kaheen zyadah hai.